Chelsea Transfers

[Pizy 18,928]

Turned the players head which clearly pissed Benfica off and were then deceptive in negotiations which also which pissed Benfica off. 

Wouldn’t be surprised if they refuse to even take our call again. And also wouldn’t be surprised if one of our rivals takes advantage and gets him for cheaper than the release clause just to fuck with us.

Only way to salvage anything here is for us to just pay the clause like we originally said we were going to apparently.

[whats happening 1,620]

20 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Hopefully Benfica report us to FIFA for tapping up the player and the owner deserves to be humiliated for being a clown.

jesus christ, take a breather, youre working overtime

7 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Boehly has single handedly done a tremendous job in making sure every top prospect in world football not want to join us in the future. He has had his pants pulled down by clubs all over Europe in less than 6 months. No player or club will want to work with this kind of behavior. 

of course they will, when they realize how much money can they get. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

2 minutes ago, whats happening said:

of course they will, when they realize how much money can they get. 

Until we low ball their asking price.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

We've officially signed Badiashile. 

Wooooooooooo.........

[Vegetable 830]

Again, the same gripe I had with TB when he took over - he either has a plug in team or is very naive. I know no other serious team, that allows it's transfer activity to be a media reality show for days and it all comes to letting ourselves be humiliated. Maybe less, than with Raphinia circus, but still. It should be said clearly in the beginning - if something leaks, the deal is over. And now we are apparently hanging on the thumb up from some Don Corleone Rui Costa as he would have much to say here, because he is offended we freaking dare to negotiate for his rando fella. 

Some of you guys must be taking a piss here. 120 million is a shitload of money. Bohely would be far better off adding another 50 and buying entire Benfica as a feeder club, because that's whats they are actually worth, now just trying to capitalize on havoc freaking Real Madrid caused by paying 50 milion euro for literal children. Maybe some of you are young and think money is some fifa coins with no reflection on economy as a whole, but just look what kind of players 100 milion gives to other teams and what it brings us. This must stop and Bohely has my back if he is assertive.

Plus, an honest question to those most agitated with Bohely out, who think we neeeeedd Enzo as they apparently have him mixed up with prime Zidane and think that if we will put him in the plane in next 30 minutes, we will batter City today: Were you guys even aware of this fella existence like 60 days ago, not to mention him being key player to rebuild Chelsea as it stands?

Just chill, this is a story like tens of others we've had, that drags for way too long, you just letting yourselves to be fired up by clickbait.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I think our midfield is still the biggest issue. I even advocated that last summer ahead of bringing in defenders. 

Jorginho is such a limited player and even a fit Kovacic and Kante are still vastly limited. 

Disagree. Our biggest issue is attack. It has been for about 6 or 7 years now. The MF is aging and has some disadvantages but again its not as if the 3 you mentioned are poor players or haven't delivered consistently. Where as in attack, you could say that a lot of them are genuinely poor players ie. Ziyech, Pulisic, Havertz (well hes more inconsistent than poor but his inconsistency makes him very poor/average). 

If the WC never happened I’d be surprised if anybody was excessively keen on Enzo Fernandez right now. Had heard of him before but I doubt many would of wanted him as eagerly and it is interesting that the club weren’t linked to him before Liverpool and Man City’s apparent interest also during the world cup. Just seems like we’re again going for players that other teams have been on the trail of. 

As @Tomo said, with a good system in place, we won the CL with Jorginho, Kante and Kovacic. We had worse forwards but ultimately poor forwards is what probably has held us back going another level with Tuchel’s system. 

Edited January 5, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[TheHulk 2,467]

With this scenario and right after the competition, they made their first meeting with Benfica. The Portuguese club made it clear to them: they paid the €120 million of the exit clause, which had to be in a single installment, and they kept it.
However, Chelsea made a verbal counter-offer: it stated that it was willing to invest 127 million euros, but on payment in several installments. After deliberating for several days and accepting the Argentine's request to make the leap to the Premier League, president Rui Costa opened the doors to negotiations.
Negotiations began days before the New Year and were stalled for the holidays without an agreement yet. Chelsea didn't even correct Enzo's contract because they knew it wouldn't be a problem, as they knew his salary at Benfica and could easily improve it.
On Monday, January 2nd, the clubs resumed their dialogue: Benfica was waiting for the structure of a complex operation to be set up. What does this means? Of those 127 million euros that Chelsea said it would pay, how much would it be in a first payment, installments and how much money would it be in goals.
However, the English -always verbally- changed the conditions and the club that owned Enzo's pass issued an ultimatum: everything had to be resolved within 48 hours.
Both on Tuesday, the 3rd, and on Wednesday, the 4th, they met in person in long meetings that ended until dawn in Europe.
Yesterday, Chelsea (the negotiation was led by sporting director Christopher Vivell and everything was accompanied by Todd Boehly, the English owner of the club) informally made a proposal to Benfica: 90 million euros to be paid in four installments and the possibility of having players of soccer in the middle of the operation. The Portuguese, revolted, returned to the initial position of rescission clause or nothing and said that the decision was engraved in stone. And they ended the meeting.
In this way, the operation is dead today, unless the English review their plans and get the footballer to execute the exit clause, an amount they are not willing to spend.

 

The state of this club, no doubt expected the owner to blunder this somehow but Vivell being just as pathetic.

[DDA 9,941]

9 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

With this scenario and right after the competition, they made their first meeting with Benfica. The Portuguese club made it clear to them: they paid the €120 million of the exit clause, which had to be in a single installment, and they kept it.
However, Chelsea made a verbal counter-offer: it stated that it was willing to invest 127 million euros, but on payment in several installments. After deliberating for several days and accepting the Argentine's request to make the leap to the Premier League, president Rui Costa opened the doors to negotiations.
Negotiations began days before the New Year and were stalled for the holidays without an agreement yet. Chelsea didn't even correct Enzo's contract because they knew it wouldn't be a problem, as they knew his salary at Benfica and could easily improve it.
On Monday, January 2nd, the clubs resumed their dialogue: Benfica was waiting for the structure of a complex operation to be set up. What does this means? Of those 127 million euros that Chelsea said it would pay, how much would it be in a first payment, installments and how much money would it be in goals.
However, the English -always verbally- changed the conditions and the club that owned Enzo's pass issued an ultimatum: everything had to be resolved within 48 hours.
Both on Tuesday, the 3rd, and on Wednesday, the 4th, they met in person in long meetings that ended until dawn in Europe.
Yesterday, Chelsea (the negotiation was led by sporting director Christopher Vivell and everything was accompanied by Todd Boehly, the English owner of the club) informally made a proposal to Benfica: 90 million euros to be paid in four installments and the possibility of having players of soccer in the middle of the operation. The Portuguese, revolted, returned to the initial position of rescission clause or nothing and said that the decision was engraved in stone. And they ended the meeting.
In this way, the operation is dead today, unless the English review their plans and get the footballer to execute the exit clause, an amount they are not willing to spend.

 

The state of this club, no doubt expected the owner to blunder this somehow but Vivell being just as pathetic.

Are you ok? Genuine question.

 

[YorkshireBlue 3,277]

7 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

With this scenario and right after the competition, they made their first meeting with Benfica. The Portuguese club made it clear to them: they paid the €120 million of the exit clause, which had to be in a single installment, and they kept it.
However, Chelsea made a verbal counter-offer: it stated that it was willing to invest 127 million euros, but on payment in several installments. After deliberating for several days and accepting the Argentine's request to make the leap to the Premier League, president Rui Costa opened the doors to negotiations.
Negotiations began days before the New Year and were stalled for the holidays without an agreement yet. Chelsea didn't even correct Enzo's contract because they knew it wouldn't be a problem, as they knew his salary at Benfica and could easily improve it.
On Monday, January 2nd, the clubs resumed their dialogue: Benfica was waiting for the structure of a complex operation to be set up. What does this means? Of those 127 million euros that Chelsea said it would pay, how much would it be in a first payment, installments and how much money would it be in goals.
However, the English -always verbally- changed the conditions and the club that owned Enzo's pass issued an ultimatum: everything had to be resolved within 48 hours.
Both on Tuesday, the 3rd, and on Wednesday, the 4th, they met in person in long meetings that ended until dawn in Europe.
Yesterday, Chelsea (the negotiation was led by sporting director Christopher Vivell and everything was accompanied by Todd Boehly, the English owner of the club) informally made a proposal to Benfica: 90 million euros to be paid in four installments and the possibility of having players of soccer in the middle of the operation. The Portuguese, revolted, returned to the initial position of rescission clause or nothing and said that the decision was engraved in stone. And they ended the meeting.
In this way, the operation is dead today, unless the English review their plans and get the footballer to execute the exit clause, an amount they are not willing to spend.

 

The state of this club, no doubt expected the owner to blunder this somehow but Vivell being just as pathetic.

Some fan you are mate, seriously you are ready to drag the club your apparently love through the mud, because of what ppl are saying on twitter none of which can be deemed fact as of yet? 

[TheHulk 2,467]

1 minute ago, DDA said:

Are you ok? Genuine question.

 

No I'm not ok, if you seriously think a businessman let alone a billionaire can be so stupid. Do you understand what keeping word means? If you weren't planning to pay the 120M all fine but don't lie like a pig, put people to come to the table with the intention of paying 120M and after lowball with different numbers. This is absolutely embarrassing stuff no way you turn it.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

 

8 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

With this scenario and right after the competition, they made their first meeting with Benfica. The Portuguese club made it clear to them: they paid the €120 million of the exit clause, which had to be in a single installment, and they kept it.
However, Chelsea made a verbal counter-offer: it stated that it was willing to invest 127 million euros, but on payment in several installments. After deliberating for several days and accepting the Argentine's request to make the leap to the Premier League, president Rui Costa opened the doors to negotiations.
Negotiations began days before the New Year and were stalled for the holidays without an agreement yet. Chelsea didn't even correct Enzo's contract because they knew it wouldn't be a problem, as they knew his salary at Benfica and could easily improve it.
On Monday, January 2nd, the clubs resumed their dialogue: Benfica was waiting for the structure of a complex operation to be set up. What does this means? Of those 127 million euros that Chelsea said it would pay, how much would it be in a first payment, installments and how much money would it be in goals.
However, the English -always verbally- changed the conditions and the club that owned Enzo's pass issued an ultimatum: everything had to be resolved within 48 hours.
Both on Tuesday, the 3rd, and on Wednesday, the 4th, they met in person in long meetings that ended until dawn in Europe.
Yesterday, Chelsea (the negotiation was led by sporting director Christopher Vivell and everything was accompanied by Todd Boehly, the English owner of the club) informally made a proposal to Benfica: 90 million euros to be paid in four installments and the possibility of having players of soccer in the middle of the operation. The Portuguese, revolted, returned to the initial position of rescission clause or nothing and said that the decision was engraved in stone. And they ended the meeting.
In this way, the operation is dead today, unless the English review their plans and get the footballer to execute the exit clause, an amount they are not willing to spend.

 

The state of this club, no doubt expected the owner to blunder this somehow but Vivell being just as pathetic.

Seriously I would think that this is more Boehly led than Vivell also.

Vivell is barely in the door and we still lack parts of the infrastructure to work with him. He's only a technical director, is he going to he sporting director also? Is it going to be a hybrid role? Is it going to be a more specific role?

Plus the time that is needed to get it going efficiently, establishing scouting networks, relationships with clubs and the data side of things is probably not all set up as extensively as at other clubs so I would imagine the blame has to be more with the owner for than Vivell. Particularly for transfers.

Someone put it right up there, Boehly has sort of set out with the right intentions. For me though he’s been pretty fucking hopeless so far. That tag will stick with him until he takes a step back and lets football people make these decisions. 

Edited January 5, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

14 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Disagree. Our biggest issue is attack. It has been for about 6 or 7 years now. The MF is aging and has some disadvantages but again its not as if the 3 you mentioned are poor players or haven't delivered consistently. Where as in attack, you could say that a lot of them are genuinely poor players ie. Ziyech, Pulisic, Havertz (well hes more inconsistent than poor but his inconsistency makes him very poor/average). 

If the WC never happened I’d be surprised if anybody was excessively keen on Enzo Fernandez right now. Had heard of him before but I doubt many would of wanted him as eagerly and it is interesting that the club weren’t linked to him before Liverpool and Man City’s apparent interest also during the world cup. Just seems like we’re again going for players that other teams have been on the trail of. 

As @Tomo said, with a good system in place, we won the CL with Jorginho, Kante and Kovacic. We had worse forwards but ultimately poor forwards is what probably has held us back going another level with Tuchel’s system. 

Think he was implying to sort out the midfield first, ala United with Casemiro and Eriksen over Fred and McTominay. 

[TheHulk 2,467]

1 minute ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Some fan you are mate, seriously you are ready to drag the club your apparently love through the mud, because of what ppl are saying on twitter none of which can be deemed fact as of yet? 

The people working at the club drag the club through the mud not me, some of you are in denial mode, everyone reports the same shit, when you think about it, the story also matches perfectly why Benfica suddenly want buyout clause after initially being willing to negotiate.

[Vegetable 830]

9 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

No I'm not ok, if you seriously think a businessman let alone a billionaire can be so stupid. Do you understand what keeping word means? If you weren't planning to pay the 120M all fine but don't lie like a pig, put people to come to the table with the intention of paying 120M and after lowball with different numbers. This is absolutely embarrassing stuff no way you turn it.

Sorry to lay it down to you, but he is a businessman and billionaire because he is NOT stupid. This is how business work - asking prices are asking prices and reality is reality. Ever tried to buy a house or car from someone?

There is literally no interest for other clubs, Benfica is clearly playing hardball on us, he would be idiot paying 127 million for player, who literally didn't exist in November, from team that isn't even worth this much as a whole company. They don't want to sell, they can fuck off and try their luck somewhere else, that's how it works. And expecting someone to pay LEAGUE RECORD for some random just because he got twitter hype after wc is ridiculous - after 15 or so years I see that kind of fans we were ridiculed for when Roman took over actually exist.    

Edited January 5, 2023 by Vegetable

[YorkshireBlue 3,277]

5 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

The people working at the club drag the club through the mud not me, some of you are in denial mode, everyone reports the same shit, when you think about it, the story also matches perfectly why Benfica suddenly want buyout clause after initially being willing to negotiate.

When you buy a car, it has a price tag onit, look at that price as a buy out Claus, u pay that money it's yours 100% no questions asked, that also makes you an idiot especially if you don't even try get money off.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

11 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Some fan you are mate, seriously you are ready to drag the club your apparently love through the mud, because of what ppl are saying on twitter none of which can be deemed fact as of yet? 

It was the same with Roman and Maria as well. Or Emenalo. Or whatever. Its just standard.

Although lets not pretend every decision, transfer, sale or contract negotiation/lack of that these lot have made has worked.

Re Enzo - If the stuff re saying we could pay the release clause, then apparently being willing to pay 127m in instalments before completely switching it up to the 85m plus 3 players is true, then wow. Clearly the plan was to hope the players desire to move would force Benfica’s hand (which is stupid because you look at Benfica in the past they don’t sell unless it suits their terms so maybe a lack of knowledge on European football from him) then it would be another huge loss in such a short time for him as it seemed more probable that the deal was done hypothetically before we even made a bid. Then we make a bid and its just not even close.

Although I never expected that the deal was ever close. Too complex and too much money for January to pay €106-127m

Edited January 5, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[YorkshireBlue 3,277]

4 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

It was the same with Roman and Maria as well. Or Emenalo. Its just standard.

Although lets not pretend every decision, transfer, sale or contract negotiation/lack of that these lot have made has worked.

If the stuff re negotiating for the release clause, then apparently being willing to pay 127m, then completely switching it up to the 85m plus 3 players hoping the players desire to move would force Benfica’s hand is true though, it would be another huge loss in such a short time for him. 

That's if it's true, problem is our fans are the easiest to clickbait.

[Fernando 6,585]

I'm happy with the approach of getting these younger guys. 

It reminds me of 2012 when we had a lot of younger players, but we screwed up by getting Mourinho. 

The real work of Potter is to blend those younger guys in. I remember reading how he did that at Brighton. 

That's why this season is a free pass, he needs to get rid of a lot of deadwood and older guys that don't fit with what we are aiming for. 

[Vegetable 830]

1 minute ago, YorkshireBlue said:

When you buy a car, it has a price tag onit, look at that price as a buy out Claus, u pay that money it's yours 100% no questions asked, that also makes you an idiot especially if you don't even try get money off.

It indeed has a pricetag and I know no person alive who actually paid this sum. Also, I have no big doubts that Liverpool would get this guy for 27 mil, not 127 and Benfica would also include flowers and chocolates in the deal. 

[Fernando 6,585]

25 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

We've officially signed Badiashile. 

Wooooooooooo.........

Where's the thread for him?