Chelsea Transfers

[Costa19 858]

9 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

You really do rate this guy like he had 10 ballon d'ors under his belt, don't you? I pointed it out yesterday, the clause is 120 mil, wich is ridiculous, we could pay & go or negotiate, but negotiating OVER this clause would be just crazy of a bad deal. The clause worth in installments would be the absolute max of what Chelsea could reasonably do and it would be a borderline bad business.

It's really not like Benfica is in position of endless power here - club of this size lives of selling players and there is, I repeat, ZERO interest from other clubs on this guy, so it's basic business they put up more realistic proposition. Benfica can take it or leave, no harm done. Business.

 

That's how transfer market works, sorry. Actually, I couldn't care less for Benfica selling him or not, the clause is so ridiculously high to prevent it I guess. The only outrage I have is some people here crying for us to 10 times guys worth and, if any of the reports are true, tolerate some weird tantrums, when the right time to walk away from the deal was like yesterday's morning already.

 

Some of you guys are bringing up some knight-code matters of honor and dignity, whereas there is just normal business operation being done, somehow apparently livestreamed to dummy twitter reporters, lol. No one is kept at the table by force, either they sell or not, either we buy or not, end of story.

Well they probably have all the power here. Multiple clubs are reported intrested in signing Enzo but only in the summer. Benfica can easily sit back and wait for a bidding war comes the summer. Not to mention they fighting for the league and doesnt wanna lose their golden egg.

If we want to sign Enzo in january? Well pay the damn asking price. Instead we are making a fool out of ourselves and becoming a bigger meme than Harry Maguire. 

[TheHulk 2,657]

Hopefully we see more of this tonight, had enough of this shit since the summer. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,976]

2 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Hopefully we see more of this tonight, had enough of this shit since the summer. 

The more details that are coming out say that Vivell was the one negotiating the Enzo deal.

[Fernando 6,741]

28 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Theres no such thing as a free pass. I fucking hate that term. 

Was the same pish being thrown around when Frank was here with Roman. And the squad we have now is still better than what we had then.

I mean is there really a free pass for Graham Potter based on how things have gone so far? Would you say hes shown enough as Chelsea manager? Mentality wise more so specifically as well? Results wise, what does this season even mean if it doesn’t involve CL football next season? Were closer to 12th than 4th. We are 10th. If we finish in the same position he’s got to go.

Whats the point in him blending young players in if we are going to go significantly backwards under him? Which is what its looking like so far. The teams soft mentally. That mentality and attitude has got to stem from the manager first and foremost.

I genuinely don’t think the players are having him.

 

Well that's what it is, because no matter what Potter does he will continue to be here. 

Well bar being in relegation fight, that might do it. But I think ever if we finish 10th he will be still be here next season, hence free pass. 

Todd no way will he kick Potter out, he will keep at all cost. 

[TheHulk 2,657]

1 minute ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

The more details that are coming out say that Vivell was the one negotiating the Enzo deal.

Both of them are equally just as stupid

[Vegetable 830]

9 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

If they want to put up a more realistic proposition all fine, it's their right but why lie and say something else initially, ah right because Rui Costa wouldn't even bother with this 85M. If someone told me he was gonna pay me close to 120M in installments to come to the table and after discuss, waste my time for 3 days and show up with 85M I would be very angry as well. Despite us tapping the player, which would make anyone mad, Costa was willing to let that go and continue discussions and after you lie like an idiot about the numbers as well. If I was Costa I'd sell him for 80M in the summer to someone else.

Thing is, Your perspective is full of emotions, whereas there just isn't a place for them. High value business is often done with people you absolutely despise, yet have to smile and go on, because in the end it's all about money.

Unless you are someone in position of De Laurentis, being angry, offended, lied to or whatever doesn't really matter - if he'd sell in summer for 80 instead of accepting 85 now just to be petty that's still 5 million + inflation + players wages loss and in some countries he would have a public prosecutor on his back for this.

7 minutes ago, Costa19 said:

Well they probably have all the power here. Multiple clubs are reported intrested in signing Enzo but only in the summer. Benfica can easily sit back and wait for a bidding war comes the summer. Not to mention they fighting for the league and doesnt wanna lose their golden egg.

If we want to sign Enzo in january? Well pay the damn asking price. Instead we are making a fool out of ourselves and becoming a bigger meme than Harry Maguire. 

Stick has two ends - Enzo is hot and probably in his peak value after WC. Waiting is a risk, there can be a bidding war for 200 in the summer or he can be long forgotten by then and sold for 30. Is this risk worth it, each to their own mind.

[bijitaq 9]

16 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

So what is the problem in particular here? That Chelsea tried to buy a player or that Costa already thought he mugged Boehly and counted money in his mind, when the London team had flipped the table and it fell apart? Benfica don't want to sell, no other club want to buy, so no harm done to anyone I guess. Thousands of transfers fell apart this way and thousands more will. 

The bold part sounds like a very common happening in football and, be it good or bad, mostly works, as the team can't do shit with a player who doesn't want to play there.

Once again no one tried "to mug" you. We don't want to sell the player in the January window when we are 5 points clear at the top of the league and qualified for the last 16 of the Champions League. I repeat "We don't want to sell". So when Chelsea aproached us we stated that. The only way we would release him was if Chelsea paid the release clause, that was stated clearly from the beggining, Rui Costa was open to negotiate only a payment structure, That's because the player wanted to leave and if the value of the release clause was met Benfica would not get on the player's way. This is all before the disciplinary issues and the low ball offer of course, now we are even less open to negotiate. Everyone should just move on. What's hilarious is you claiming that Benfica is the club acting in bad faith in this situation. It's beyond delusional. 

Edited January 5, 2023 by bijitaq

[didi007 69]

35 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

You answered your own question, to get them sat at the table.

Theres also something called integrity in business and that goes a longer way than just getting people to sit at a table. 

[NikkiCFC 8,524]

52 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

It indeed has a pricetag and I know no person alive who actually paid this sum. Also, I have no big doubts that Liverpool would get this guy for 27 mil, not 127 and Benfica would also include flowers and chocolates in the deal. 

They just sold Nunez to Liverpool for 75m euros with adds possibly going over 100m.

[Vegetable 830]

5 minutes ago, bijitaq said:

Once again no one tried "to mug" you. We don't want to sell the player in the January window when we are 5 points clear at the top of the league and qualified for the last 16 of the Champions League. I repeat "We don't want to sell". So when Chelsea aproached us we stated that. The only way we would release him was if Chelsea played the release clause, that was stated clearly from the beggining, Rui Costa was open to negotiate only a payment structure, That's because the player wanted to leave and if the value of the release clause was met Benfica would not get on the player's way. This is all before the disciplinary issues and the low ball offer of course, now we are even less open to negotiate. Everyone should just move on. What's hilarious is you claiming that Benfica is the club acting in bad faith in this situation. It's beyond delusional. 

Bad faith? Probably not, financially delusional, probably yes. Sport matters aside, can't deny selling guy for 127 million euro would be insanely good business for Benfica (yet hardly realistic) and not so great for the buyer. Your previous record transfer was 80 mil, next one 16 mil, so is Enzo really worth 130? And I dare to say that club that needs to flip players to support it's functioning isn't in position to turn their back on sum of either 127, 120 or even 80 million. Someone decided to take a gamble, keep him in the team and try to sell him for a heftier sum in the summer, again, I see not much problem in this except for people bashing Boehly for not turning his head down and pay whatever is demanded from him and then some.

[Pizy 19,337]

As lukewarm as I am on Badiashile as a player, I would hope that he’s instantly ready to go within the next few days if Koulibaly struggles against City again today. 

[Vegetable 830]

2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

They just sold Nunez to Liverpool for 75m euros with adds possibly going over 100m.

And his numbers, compared to Enzo's + two years of playing in Europe make it look much more safe and reasonable deal. Is unproven player worth twice the price?

[Costa19 858]

14 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Stick has two ends - Enzo is hot and probably in his peak value after WC. Waiting is a risk, there can be a bidding war for 200 in the summer or he can be long forgotten by then and sold for 30. Is this risk worth it, each to their own mind.

Yes exactly and Benfica are the ones deciding if they want to take that ”risk” hence why they holds all the power. 

We can beg on our knees and try to scare them with whatever can happen may happen until summer comes, its still down to Benfica.

If we want Enzo we pay what they want for him. Not making ourselves a laughing stock for the whole football world to devour.
 

[YorkshireBlue 3,348]

24 minutes ago, Costa19 said:

Yes exactly and Benfica are the ones deciding if they want to take that ”risk” hence why they holds all the power. 

We can beg on our knees and try to scare them with whatever can happen may happen until summer comes, its still down to Benfica.

If we want Enzo we pay what they want for him. Not making ourselves a laughing stock for the whole football world to devour.
 

This is Chelsea, they will laugh if we pay it, and laugh if we don't, your at the wrong club if you don't want people laughing.

Edited January 5, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[Costa19 858]

19 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

This is Chelsea, they will laugh if we pay it, and laugh of we don't, your at the wrong club if you don't want people laughing.

Well they aint laughing at us for not paying 120m but at our incompetence in doing business. 

[bijitaq 9]

30 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Bad faith? Probably not, financially delusional, probably yes. Sport matters aside, can't deny selling guy for 127 million euro would be insanely good business for Benfica (yet hardly realistic) and not so great for the buyer. Your previous record transfer was 80 mil, next one 16 mil, so is Enzo really worth 130? And I dare to say that club that needs to flip players to support it's functioning isn't in position to turn their back on sum of either 127, 120 or even 80 million. Someone decided to take a gamble, keep him in the team and try to sell him for a heftier sum in the summer, again, I see not much problem in this except for people bashing Boehly for not turning his head down and pay whatever is demanded from him and then some.

First of all you are not well informed about our transfer history at all. Secondly we don't need to sell our best players in the January window. We are not owned by an american billionaire like Chelsea but our finances are solid. The player has signed a contract until 2027, so we have all the leverage in the world. Just making into the group stages of the champions league is worth 50M euros for us, so there you go, why would we let one of our best players and a crucial player for our style of play and risk ruining the rest of the season for a "good deal", makes no sense. The world doesn't revolve around your club.  

[Vegetable 830]

I can't get rid of the feeling that people holding actual negotations give less shit about this whole operation, than some people, who got agitated by some twitter drama with zero reliability account here.

[TheHulk 2,657]

3 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I can't get rid of the feeling that people holding actual negotations give less shit about this whole operation, than some people, who got agitated by some twitter drama with zero reliability account here.

Wouldn't be surprised if you are right, I mean the owner is overpaying for average players like Cucurella and Koulibaly, not like he understands what a top player even means.

[Vegetable 830]

16 minutes ago, bijitaq said:

First of all you are not well informed about our transfer history at all. Secondly we don't need to sell our best players in the January window. We are not owned by an american billionaire like Chelsea but our finances are solid. The player has signed a contract until 2027, so we have all the leverage in the world. Just making into the group stages of the champions league is worth 50M euros for us, so there you go, why would we let one of our best players and a crucial player for our style of play and risk ruining the rest of the season for a "good deal", makes no sense. The world doesn't revolve around your club.  

Don't really understand what are You trying to prove - I am just as informed as Transfermarkt is, don't know any more credible source. As I said, I have zero problem with Benfica not willing to sell nor any other business decisions they make. Actually, I'd say I'm highly skeptical of paying more than his 55 milion TM valuation and has zero problem with deal being off, the only problem I have is people getting riled up here, because our board is reluctant to throw 130 million (which is like 1/3 of his entire team's valuation) for a player with zero track record in European top football, as my memory lasts longer than 14 days and I've seen tens of transfers of wonderkids, exceling for a season in their home clubs, including such transfers done by Chelsea, and I know it ends with nothing good more often, than not. If the deal can't be secured on reasonable terms, too bad.

Edited January 5, 2023 by Vegetable

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

As lukewarm as I am on Badiashile as a player, I would hope that he’s instantly ready to go within the next few days if Koulibaly struggles against City again today. 

He is not. He is more like zouma when he first came here but with better technique 

he will become a decent defender but is not ready right now 

 

as for Enzo I think the statements from Schmidt pretty would confirm our worst suspicions about our board. Absolute amateurs. Unprofessional and rude. Can’t verify it independently but everything points in that direction. 
dire straits ahead for this club