Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

[Vesper 30,163]

2 minutes ago, mccg said:

Gary Neville surprised at Chelsea player power after Maurizio Sarri outburst

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/29326/11613188/gary-neville-surprised-at-chelsea-player-power-after-maurizio-sarri-outburst

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

The squad may be average but on the other hand you gotta ask, is Sarri getting his message across properly to the players? You would think that after 6-7 months at the helm, we would at least, at the very least, see some glimpses of the so called Sarriball but we haven't seen it. We have been seeing the same dull, turgid, clueless football week in week out. Nothing has really changed and Sarri is the one responsible of forming the team, making the players play the way he wants. You can blame the players for not being good enough but Sarri should be held accountable as well because he chooses the players, he selects the team and let's not forget, he's been making things worse by playing Hazard out of position and not getting anything out of it.

I understand what you say but I want to explain once again - My point is that we know very well who Sarri is, made Napoli play beautiful football for three years in a row and improved his players massively. Chelsea did not hire someone like, let's say, Gattuso, just because of his name and the fact he would have come from Milan.

We got one of the best managers out there that had his full backs play high up the pitch and the three up front play quick one twos and make A LOT of runs in behind. 

Why aren't Chelsea's full backs and wingers the same? My guess is they are too limited and simply cannot play this type of football. The fact that Sarri does not bench the big names I think we all know the answer and frankly it keeps this club from moving forward. And the board keeps this locker room power active, too, by keeping players for too long and giving contracts to average ones. 

And then there is the complacency. What I've noticed with the current generation of players at Chelsea and it happened before, is that once someone gets a lead at the top, for example Liverpool now, or City, they down tools. It's like they say to themselves 'Ok this is over in November we cannot win the title we'll just finish the season and go on holiday'. They are mentally weak, Sarri is totally right, as soon as Liverpool and City went 6-7 point ahead they stopped playing as if it was 3 rounds to go and not 30.

You look at the way Chelsea have played against Spurs at Wembley and Arsenal the other day. Chelsea had all the ball and frankly I've never seen this team go to the Emirates and simply hide the ball from Arsenal. Kepa could have read a book in the 2nd half. But something was missing in the final third and I blame the players for this, no movement, no runs in behind, nothing to put just a bit of pressure on that Arsenal defence. And still with no threat from Arsenal, Azpilicueta never overlapped and stayed in his comfort zone.

For me it is clear - 60-70% of this squad is not good enough to play this kind of football but nothing is going to change because this board always has the last word on everything and not the manager.

[Vesper 30,163]

40 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Yeah, Kante is fantastic..but he does not have the tactical nous of a Makelele or Essien to play the CDM role all by his lonesome.

Makélélé, Lampard, Drogba, Franco Baresi, Chopper Harris, and Alessandro Nesta my 6 favourite players in football history. 

[El P. 1,354]

Sarri could have escape heavy criticism till this day. But start the same squad after THIS*, and play like shit - everyone will hate you in no time. Rightly so.

* Arsenal defeat

** (posted it in wrong topic before)

[Superblue 6,372]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

I think many are losing their patience based off the shit board not backing him.

We have, overall, turgid players.

exceptions

Kepa

Rudiger (a good 2nd CB, but not truly WC)

Luiz ( a specialist at long ball but zero chance a rock you can win titles and CL's off of)

Kante (criminally misused)

Hazard

all the rest (yes, Jorginho fanboys, I am tossing him into the meh pit, along with 2019 version of Azpi)

are simply not up quality needed or are shit indeed

CHO (leaving anyway probably) and Ampadu are too young to judge

if Higs shits out, we are well and truly fucked, and it will get worse if/when Hazard leaves

I trust the board ZERO to sort it

 

I know what you're trying to say but we have won a Premier League and Champions League with David Luiz. He has his moments where you cringe but he's also just about the best ball playing centre back around and I do think during his second spell at the club his positives far far outweigh his negatives.

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Just now, Superblue_1986 said:

I know what you're trying to say but we have won a Premier League and Champions League with David Luiz. He has his moments where you cringe but he's also just about the best ball playing centre back around and I do think during his second spell at the club his positives far far outweigh his negatives.

Luiz is far from my worst concern, I hope to hell he renews, we just need a truly WC defensive CB as well.

I am sorry if I came off as too harsh on David. I respect him loads, he has stepped up like a man and stopped the silly mental mistakes.

[Superblue 6,372]

Just now, Vesper said:

Luiz is far from my worst concern, I hope to hell he renews, we just need a truly WC defensive CB as well.

I am sorry if I came off as too harsh on David. I respect him loads, he has stepped up like a man and stopped the silly mental mistakes.

I do understand what you were saying because he does play in a risky way at times but I do think Luiz in Conte's first season and this season (besides the Spurs game) has shown a consistency to his game where he can now be trusted to be solid and dependable, on top of being an outstanding technical footballer.

[Vesper 30,163]

5 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I do understand what you were saying because he does play in a risky way at times but I do think Luiz in Conte's first season and this season (besides the Spurs game) has shown a consistency to his game where he can now be trusted to be solid and dependable, on top of being an outstanding technical footballer.

I totally trust him atm as our starting CB

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Sarri complained that we are taking too many touches of the ball instead of one/two touches then pass. He complained there is no motivation/determination from the players, which means we don't run enough.

And from my personal observation of the game the players refused to press high enough and there was no compactness from the team. The distance between the lines of defence, midfield and attack were too far apart, spaces were everywhere to exploit. This must be very frustrating for Sarri, almost like the team betray his tactics anytime we face small difficulty for 10mins in a match. That is why he said we don't know how to suffer or be dogged. 

We may have to wait a long time for Sarri to let out the duds and get his own players like Pep did with (Navas, Toure, Hart, Sagna, Clichy, Zabaleta, Fernando, Mangala, Bony, etc) and Klopp did with (Lallana, Sturridge, Moreno, Clyne, Toure, Mignolet, etc) Attacking football managers take longer to implement and need support from the board and fans while defensive like Conte and Mourinho can do it in one season. Patience is needed guys.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

24 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

Sarri complained that we are taking too many touches of the ball instead of one/two touches then pass. He complained there is no motivation/determination from the players, which means we don't run enough.

And from my personal observation of the game the players refused to press high enough and there was no compactness from the team. The distance between the lines of defence, midfield and attack were too far apart, spaces were everywhere to exploit. This must be very frustrating for Sarri, almost like the team betray his tactics anytime we face small difficulty for 10mins in a match. That is why he said we don't know how to suffer or be dogged. 

We may have to wait a long time for Sarri to let out the duds and get his own players like Pep did with (Navas, Toure, Hart, Sagna, Clichy, Zabaleta, Fernando, Mangala, Bony, etc) and Klopp did with (Lallana, Sturridge, Moreno, Clyne, Toure, Mignolet, etc) Attacking football managers take longer to implement and need support from the board and fans while defensive like Conte and Mourinho can do it in one season. Patience is needed guys.

There was at least 1 passage in the first half where we played a little triangle and Pedro made a great run down the right, but the ball didn't go forwards, Kovacic dawdled on the ball, then turned around and laid it off 5 yards backwards.  It's a strange cycle.  No on makes runs, so no one looks to make the pass to runner, then guys don't make runs because the ball isn't coming, etc., etc.

[coolhead23 1,147]

1 hour ago, kellzfresh said:

We may have to wait a long time for Sarri to let out the duds and get his own players like Pep did with (Navas, Toure, Hart, Sagna, Clichy, Zabaleta, Fernando, Mangala, Bony, etc) and Klopp did with (Lallana, Sturridge, Moreno, Clyne, Toure, Mignolet, etc) Attacking football managers take longer to implement and need support from the board and fans while defensive like Conte and Mourinho can do it in one season. Patience is needed guys.

Not happening ... Sarri would be moved out by end of this season itself from the way things are going.

We arent a club who have patience else the rebuilding should have been in sync with the new manager from day one. The only player that we know Sarri got is Jorginho. 

Having said that, currently Sarri is equally to be blamed as the players and the board.

High time, we need a long time vision which is so missing at the club. 

[communicate 2,703]

7 hours ago, Laylabelle said:

 

Wait till have the players in then implement it. For now work with what we have. 

But you can't do that. Sarri is hired to change our football from counter attacking under Mou and Conte to possession based. You may not like it.l but If we keep playing the type of football that suit this current team than next year is the same. He need to have at least most of the player in this squad understand what he want. We are not city, he cannot say to the board. I don't like my fullback then suddenly mendy, walker and Danilo show up 

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8 hours ago, Vesper said:

I am absolutely NOT convinced he couldn't play the Jorginho role. I think that's Sarri gaslighting. Jorginho is slowly being exposed as a fraud IMHO, when it comes to the EPL style of footie. He is incredibly weak defensively and his passes are now embedded into a paradigm of negative football.

Did you watch any of our games under Conte when we play 352? 

[Laylabelle 9,534]

1 hour ago, communicate said:

But you can't do that. Sarri is hired to change our football from counter attacking under Mou and Conte to possession based. You may not like it.l but If we keep playing the type of football that suit this current team than next year is the same. He need to have at least most of the player in this squad understand what he want. We are not city, he cannot say to the board. I don't like my fullback then suddenly mendy, walker and Danilo show up 

But what does he want? Cause whatever it is isn't happening and if what we're seeing is it.. Lets not lol. 

There is no end product from it. Its nice having possession like we did on Saturday but we didn't have a shot until the last 15 minutes or so. I don't think that's what he was hired to do.  This is where there's a problem. Possession possession for most games and yet sod all in terms of goals and then points.  It hasn't so far come together in a effective way. 

[mccg 1,528]

Sarri believes Chelsea players won’t take his outburst ‘the wrong way’

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2019/1/21/18191311/sarri-believes-chelsea-players-wont-take-his-outburst-the-wrong-way

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1 hour ago, Laylabelle said:

But what does he want? Cause whatever it is isn't happening and if what we're seeing is it.. Lets not lol. 

There is no end product from it. Its nice having possession like we did on Saturday but we didn't have a shot until the last 15 minutes or so. I don't think that's what he was hired to do.  This is where there's a problem. Possession possession for most games and yet sod all in terms of goals and then points.  It hasn't so far come together in a effective way. 

For me he want faster ball circulation, Sarri ball is about one touch football. Just watch Napoli highlights, you will be amazed how similar our buildup.

What we need right now above all  is a godamn striker. It is as simple as that. We will not suddenly turn to world beater but it will help big time. 

If Higuain come in and he looks like a proper striker and we are not scoring then I will be more worried. Plus it will stop all this crtic and our fans complaining about Hazard play as no 9. 

[Special Juan 28,141]

 

Just the way Higuain can take defenders away with a run can help massively, creating space for the wide attackers to hit space.

It won't change to a point we beat every team 4-0 but the fact he will make striker runs, run the channels and work hard for chances.

 

[gdlk 286]

Well but you forget that Sarri won vs City and luck saved Liverpool to win there twice! 

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Ledg 643]

So, our 'stars' didn't like the intense sessions under Conte and Mourinho and now they don't like the more laid-back approach from Sarri?

What would they like, not to come to training at all?