The Conte Thread

[El P. 1,354]

48 minutes ago, FabHazard said:

If Conte's first choice is Harry Kane then we will never get him..Cannot blame it on board enitrely...We spent 200 million even though we sold players for the same money.....200 M is lot of money....We bought shit with that money....So much money wasted on drinkwater and bakayoko....Morata is not showing any promise...Both board and conte are at fault...Conte needs to stop moaning..Instead of taking digs at board he has to coach this team some attacking play..Board also needs to buckle up and spend money on quality players with proper scouting

200 millions? Morata alone is 70. And let's not pretend we haven't lost good player (compared with Bakayoko) in Matić, also in Diego Costa. It's not like we have spent 200 millions on IMPROVEMENTS. No. We got 100 millions for Costa+Matić and bought Morata+Bakayoko. That's not SPENDING money. That's just reinvesting what we earned of selling.

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We didn't spend shit, we have spent about 100 millions on backups, with no clear plan from the board, and certainly no plan to INVEST.

We didn't spend shit!

[Ayioros 76]

11 minutes ago, The Chels said:

Our expenditure has still been pretty big. Problem is we've spent it on far too many average players. The 'sell to buy' policy is crap admittedly.

Yeah sur, and it's a big problem.

 

Classic example, we don't want to pay 80 millions for a very good player.

But to pay 40 millions for 2 average players it's okay.

Maybe one will be just good, the other will be shit. Sometime we will have a good surprise and he will be world class.

But several times  they will be shit.

 

And like i said above, pay for the 80 million player, will give us more certitude but also more money on marchandising. It will not be the case for average players.

[Dimitr 488]

43 minutes ago, Ayioros said:

Embarassing comment really....

Do you really thing Zappa, Alonso or Palmieri are first Conte choice ?

Same for Carroll or Dzeko ?

You can be sur Conte want top players, it's the reason why he left Juventus some years ago.

And it's the reasong of his frustration now.

 

But if the board tell him you have just a low budget to recruit then he gives average player, because average players it's always better than no players at all.

That's no meaning that he is happy with that.

Maybe ZappaCosta was the 15 choice on his whish list.

And for some who says "Yes but board has spend 220 millions for Conte".

It's true but seriously when you count the income players, you have to count depart players and check the balance !

This year we spend 220 millions but we receive 200 millions for our departing players.

So what ? Conte should say "Thanks Chelsea Board, one of the biggest club in the world, to spend 20 millions for me on his window !"

And the funniest, here is a view of our balance transfert since 14/15 at now :

#	Club(s)		Expenditures	Arrivals	Income	Departures	Balance
1		Manchester City	761,00 Mill. €	101	227,76 Mill. €	100	-533,23 Mill. €
2		Manchester United	740,75 Mill. €	71	250,01 Mill. €	77	-490,74 Mill. €
3		Everton FC	377,94 Mill. €	86	197,98 Mill. €	74	-179,96 Mill. €
4		Arsenal FC	347,62 Mill. €	59	185,85 Mill. €	60	-161,77 Mill. €
5		Crystal Palace	200,78 Mill. €	98	61,47 Mill. €	110	-139,31 Mill. €
6		Watford FC	223,98 Mill. €	126	84,90 Mill. €	121	-139,08 Mill. €
7		Leicester City	252,23 Mill. €	80	122,40 Mill. €	84	-129,83 Mill. €
8		West Ham United	216,75 Mill. €	80	94,57 Mill. €	85	-122,19 Mill. €
9		West Bromwich Albion	156,38 Mill. €	58	44,25 Mill. €	62	-112,14 Mill. €
10		Newcastle United	259,33 Mill. €	95	148,49 Mill. €	100	-110,84 Mill. €
11		AFC Bournemouth	134,92 Mill. €	87	29,84 Mill. €	91	-105,08 Mill. €
12		Liverpool FC	524,53 Mill. €	76	440,72 Mill. €	74	-83,81 Mill. €
13		Brighton & Hove Albion	90,60 Mill. €	110	13,24 Mill. €	105	-77,37 Mill. €
14		Middlesbrough FC	149,31 Mill. €	104	74,68 Mill. €	115	-74,64 Mill. €
15		Stoke City	135,20 Mill. €	66	65,94 Mill. €	70	-69,26 Mill. €
16		Sunderland AFC	131,97 Mill. €	90	73,16 Mill. €	100	-58,81 Mill. €
17		Burnley FC	117,97 Mill. €	85	71,90 Mill. €	86	-46,07 Mill. €
18		Huddersfield Town	62,31 Mill. €	103	21,56 Mill. €	109	-40,75 Mill. €
19		Chelsea FC	577,80 Mill. €	151	537,34 Mill. €	144	-40,46 Mill. €

Yeah we are 19th of this fucking list. Yes we have just spend 40 millions in 5 years...

 

But yeah continue to blame Conte because you are too dumb to see the reality.

When I see, he must respect the board. Yeah maybe, but please first of all, the board must respect the fans.

Hahah you don’t understand what I am saying. I don’t care if Zappa,or Alonso were first choice or 100th choice 

all the players we tried  were from fucking Italy . And of course conte suggestions. 

 

Last summer we spend 200millions 

so stfu and think before you talk . 

CONTEOUT

[Ayioros 76]

17 minutes ago, Dimitr said:

Hahah you don’t understand what I am saying. I don’t care if Zappa,or Alonso were first choice or 100th choice 

all the players we tried  were from fucking Italy . And of course conte suggestions. 

 

Last summer we spend 200millions 

so stfu and think before you talk . 

CONTEOUT

"Think before talk" from a guy who say absolut bullshit is really funny.

Last summer we spend 220 millions on players and we receive 200 millions from departure players, so what ?

You find 20 millions it's a really biiiig investment ? Think before talk yeah ? We replace bigs players by average players but yeah we spend 200 millions oh my god...

So what, you would like Conte win 4 trophies with the players of the bottom of his list that board has aggred to give him ?

Did you see United/City's investment compared to us, and you would like we are champions each year without spend money ?

The guy just gave us a title in his first year, he give us true passion. And he probably leave in a club that will respect him and give him what he wants.

But let's go to Ancelotti, Pochetino or anybody and sack him 2 years later, because fan like you are close minded and think managers are always the problem.

 

[Special Juan 27,439]

21 minutes ago, Dimitr said:

Hahah you don’t understand what I am saying. I don’t care if Zappa,or Alonso were first choice or 100th choice 

all the players we tried  were from fucking Italy . And of course conte suggestions. 

 

Last summer we spend 200millions 

so stfu and think before you talk . 

CONTEOUT

If you continue to talk to others members like that you will be off this forum before Conte is sacked.

[Dimitr 488]

5 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

If you continue to talk to others members like that you will be off this forum before Conte is sacked.

CONTE OUT !

 

[Dimitr 488]

13 minutes ago, Ayioros said:

"Think before talk" from a guy who say absolut bullshit is really funny.

Last summer we spend 220 millions on players and we receive 200 millions from departure players, so what ?

You find 20 millions it's a really biiiig investment ? Think before talk yeah ? We replace bigs players by average players but yeah we spend 200 millions oh my god...

So what, you would like Conte win 4 trophies with the players of the bottom of his list that board has aggred to give him ?

Did you see United/City's investment compared to us, and you would like we are champions each year without spend money ?

The guy just gave us a title in his first year, he give us true passion. And he probably leave in a club that will respect him and give him what he wants.

But let's go to Ancelotti, Pochetino or anybody and sack him 2 years later, because fan like you are close minded and think managers are always the problem.

 

Chelsea board can’t sign world class players I agree. 

But I am saying that Chelsea support conte because we are interested for players from Italy . Alex Sandro (itlay ) 

koulybali , romagnoli,bonnuci, de vrij, dzeko .alonso,Palmieri. So ? 

 

 

[FabHazard 655]

43 minutes ago, El P. said:

200 millions? Morata alone is 70. And let's not pretend we haven't lost good player (compared with Bakayoko) in Matić, also in Diego Costa. It's not like we have spent 200 millions on IMPROVEMENTS. No. We got 100 millions for Costa+Matić and bought Morata+Bakayoko. That's not SPENDING money. That's just reinvesting what we earned of selling.

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We didn't spend shit, we have spent about 100 millions on backups, with no clear plan from the board, and certainly no plan to INVEST.

We didn't spend shit!

I already mentioned that in the post...Yes we sold players for same amount...What i am saying is that we should have reinvested that money on better quality players ...100 millions on the backups instead of investing on first team quality....I agree with you... there is no clear transfer strategy

[Dimitr 488]

Despite Conte continuing to give the impression he has little to do with the club's transfer dealings, Chelsea are understood to be working hard to sign the players the Italian wants. (Sky Sports) #CFC

 

haha 

im legend. Even sky sports agree with me

[Dimitr 488]

Conte is a strange man. Made Pogba, Vidal, Bonucci into what they are today. But then goes and buys Vucinic, Llorente and Osvaldo. Great coach, bad manager.

[Ayioros 76]

19 minutes ago, Dimitr said:

Chelsea board can’t sign world class players I agree. 

But I am saying that Chelsea support conte because we are interested for players from Italy . Alex Sandro (itlay ) 

koulybali , romagnoli,bonnuci, de vrij, dzeko .alonso,Palmieri. So ? 

 

 

But who cares we are "interested" in players ?

The point is the players we are signed.

No one of importants Serie A players that you quote were signed.

Just Alonso, Zappa and surely Palmieri.

No Bonnuci, no Sandro, no Koulibaly or wathever.

If we sign Dzeko it will be a good transfert, i admit that.

 

But I don't understand what you try to prove with yours posts.

If tomorrow the board sign a bench player of Crotone FC, it will mean that the board support Conte because they signed a Serie A player ?

Support Conte for me it's, do the best for signed his wish list players.

The board can't because our low budget politic. It's their choice.

So Conte accept average players so we are doing average result. We are top 4, in UCL (not for long but against Barca it's logic), in FA cup.

It's just a logical position for a club who leads this kind of politc no ?

 

Say Conte OUT what's the point ? You are really thought that we will be champion again or what ?

 

[Special Juan 27,439]

30 minutes ago, Dimitr said:

CONTE OUT !

 

Enjoy your break from the forum, see you next month. Sick and tired of your attitude and repetitive posts.

I will monitor how your posts go when you arrive back, if it continues you can have a permanent ban.

[manpe 10,861]

1 minute ago, Special Juan said:

Enjoy your break from the forum, see you next month. Sick and tired of your attitude and repetitive posts.

I will monitor how your posts go when you arrive back, if it continues you ca have a permanent ban.

Finally! 5 months too late but better late than never. 

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

It was a real pleasure to have a manager who revolutionized the premiership at the helm... even if it was only for 2yrs. Antonio will be remembered for his passion and his extremely high football acumen. He took a team that finished 10th under its greatest ever manager, reinstalled confidence and made us all believe. No easy feat. His reward was Drinkwater, Morata, Bakayoko, Barkley, Zappacosta caballero and ampadu... a record breaking, title winning manager with basically high mid table players at his disposal. I've said it many times before, you get what you pay for and right now we are still feeding off of the spoils of 2012... almost 6yrs ago!

Antonio, I believe you are one of the games brilliant managers and you deserve to be at a club where you are indeed the MANAGER and not just a first team coach. You have proven to many that you care about this club and want the best for the supporters, it's just a shame you've come along when we are in a period where we have shown ZERO ambition to want to compete. Best of luck to you on your next endeavour.

So, where is Chelsea now? Well I can say without hesitation we are definitely about to enter our toughest period under Roman's reign. For a few years money in has equalled money out and unfortunately the last two titles has robbed us of the depth we had. What is left to sell to generate funds? Is there a market for Pedro, Zappacosta, Cahill, Luiz, Fabregas, Drinkwater, Moses, Batshuyai? Probably not which makes our only real sellable assets Hazard, Courtois, Azpi, Christensen and Kante.

The worst part about this whole thing is I believe Conte is the BEST manager in the world at reaching goals with a shoestring budget. He would've been the best manager to help navigate us through a stadium build because he favours hard work over individual skill and team tactics to ones attacking prowess. I don't see a lot of good on the horizon, it's so clear that the club need an injection of cash but with this stadium being built we won't be given the funds to return us to the summit. Who comes in now? Who takes the reins when there is no money to build a club?


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[Ledg 642]

8 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

It was a real pleasure to have a manager who revolutionized the premiership at the helm... even if it was only for 2yrs. Antonio will be remembered for his passion and his extremely high football acumen. He took a team that finished 10th under its greatest ever manager, reinstalled confidence and made us all believe. No easy feat. His reward was Drinkwater, Morata, Bakayoko, Barkley, Zappacosta caballero and ampadu... a record breaking, title winning manager with basically high mid table players at his disposal. I've said it many times before, you get what you pay for and right now we are still feeding off of the spoils of 2012... almost 6yrs ago!

Antonio, I believe you are one of the games brilliant managers and you deserve to be at a club where you are indeed the MANAGER and not just a first team coach. You have proven to many that you care about this club and want the best for the supporters, it's just a shame you've come along when we are in a period where we have shown ZERO ambition to want to compete. Best of luck to you on your next endeavour.

So, where is Chelsea now? Well I can say without hesitation we are definitely about to enter our toughest period under Roman's reign. For a few years money in has equalled money out and unfortunately the last two titles has robbed us of the depth we had. What is left to sell to generate funds? Is there a market for Pedro, Zappacosta, Cahill, Luiz, Fabregas, Drinkwater, Moses, Batshuyai? Probably not which makes our only real sellable assets Hazard, Courtois, Azpi, Christensen and Kante.

The worst part about this whole thing is I believe Conte is the BEST manager in the world at reaching goals with a shoestring budget. He would've been the best manager to help navigate us through a stadium build because he favours hard work over individual skill and team tactics to ones attacking prowess. I don't see a lot of good on the horizon, it's so clear that the club need an injection of cash but with this stadium being built we won't be given the funds to return us to the summit. Who comes in now? Who takes the reins when there is no money to build a club?


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Great post but could've saved it until he's actually gone. 

People who don't check the news, may get the wrong impression. 

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Great post but could've saved it until he's actually gone. 

People who don't check the news, may get the wrong impression. [emoji3]

Anyone who has followed this club for the past 10yrs should see the inevitable writing on the wall

[Tomo 21,733]

4 hours ago, Ayioros said:

And what's the difference ?

We receive this money in selling players (loanees, bad, average or top players).

But the fact is we just reinvest this money for new players but not more.

The board doesn't invest money in the transferts, we are Chelsea, one of the biggest club in the world and we don't invest money.

We have the new stadium, I accept that. But it's not the only reason. Its same clear it's a new politic for long term and no just to finance the new Bridge.

As has already been said, if you want to fill this stadium, club must stay attractive, he must continue to make people dream.

If we become an average club with average players, it could be worst for our incomes

Who want experience that Liverpool experienced few years ago ?

 

When you invest money on big players (fee or wages) it's not just for sport or result. It's also an important economical invest (more marchandising etc.).

If we continue this kind of path, I really fear for the futur of the club.

If we sold £200m worth of players that were crucial last season i would agree, but the reality was we didn't. These are the figures we got from our outgoings this summer.

Begovic £10m

Cuadrado £17.3m

Atsu £6.2m 

Traore £8.8m

Ake £20m

Chalobah £5m

Matic £40m

Diego Costa £50m

So £75m of that money was brought in by players Conte never had/used. Only two players that played a part in last season's title were sold, and one of them was considered our weak link. We had more than enough money to improve the team, the fact that we didn't was down to poor recruitment, not lack of funds. It may be a low net spend in the technical term, but in terms of first team ingoings and out's, we did strengthen in numbers and spent a lot more on first team players than what we got back. Last season we had 3 trusted CB's this year we have 5, last season we had 2 trusted wing backs, this year 3, last season 3 trusted CM's, this year 4, it looks like we are going to further strengthen our wingback area and finally have a trusted alternate striker as well.

If we start recruiting as well as we did in the early part of this decade we are laughing but unfortunately that's a big if.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

If we sold £200m worth of players that were crucial last season i would agree, but the reality was we didn't. These are the figures we got from our outgoings this summer.
Begovic £10m
Cuadrado £17.3m
Atsu £6.2m 
Traore £8.8m
Ake £20m
Chalobah £5m
Matic £40m
Diego Costa £50m
So £75m of that money was brought in by players Conte never had/used. Only two players that played a part in last season's title were sold, and one of them was considered our weak link. We had more than enough money to improve the team, the fact that we didn't was down to poor recruitment, not lack of funds. It may be a low net spend in the technical term, but in terms of first team ingoings and out's, we did strengthen in numbers and spent a lot more on first team players than what we got back. Last season we had 3 trusted CB's this year we have 5, last season we had 2 trusted wing backs, this year 3, last season 3 trusted CM's, this year 4, it looks like we are going to further strengthen our wingback area and finally have a trusted alternate striker as well.
If we start recruiting as well as we did in the early part of this decade, we are laughing but unfortunately that's a big if.

Some of the money you highlight here wasn't used. Oscar money was as well as Mikel and ivanovic. The Point is we used our squad depth to fund player acquisitions at a time when we had so few senior players.

And the way you irresponsibly use the word trusted is comical. They aren't trusted it's just what we have at our disposal. Conte is willing to work with what he has but that doesn't mean what he has is by any means useful.

We can't attract the players we need to push us into that elite bracket, regardless of how much was spent it wasn't enough to cover for the amount of holes left in the side by players departing. And further to that point it's not improved the squad from a starters standpoint. That's the strengthening most we're hoping for, strengthen our XI then fill it the rest of the team with your Barkley's, Zappacosta's Caballero's and Rudiger's. And beyond that we still haven't strengthened the squad as a whole. Kyle Scott and Dujon Sterling are not ready for this level yet they were included in the squad to make up numbers.