The Mourinho Thread

[SinineUltra 1,170]

It was our title to lose ,,, AND we have lost it ,, who do you blame ,, Jose blames the players.

so we did? can't have everything even if it seems to be at our reach already. Having ambition is good but lacking pragmatism is another story. That's what we get when we have a young, inexperienced squad - young men can run a lot, but older men know where to run. A couple of key signings and we will have a perfect mix of players and something to look forward to. Don't really understand the gloomy atmosphere on this forum currently.

[Fernando 6,585]

Then you have a shocking memory, Inter rightly knocked us out. Check the archives of this forum and that was the general consensus, nothing like Barca 09 or Liverpool circa-05. We were embarrassing under Carlo in the CL, so much so.. that we actually 'relied' on any conspiracy theory we could get our hands on. There was a penalty 'incident' with Ramires against United in the CL, but again.. they knocked us out convincingly.

[Special Juan 28,140]

I think in amongst all the doom and gloom and finger pointing you have to give huge credit to those teams who came to us or we visited who just sat and sat and defended brilliantly.

Get the Cardiff game out the way and the rebuild starts from there.

[Term-X 7,891]

Great way to take the game out of context, 26 seconds of youtube (hmmm).. Vs watching the game and knowing what happened football-wise over two legs. Mourinho is the big game specialist, Carlo was out-thought just like Pellegrini at the Etihad. Feel free to post whatever anomaly in his career you want to disprove that fact..

Carlo failed us in Europe like he failed Milan domestically.

[SinineUltra 1,170]

The thing is none of the people who constantly moan talk about the other side. There is no suggestion of an alternative. They just reminisce about the football that Carlo had us playing in 2010....but gloss over the fact that we had a spine that JOSE MOURINHO actually put in place a few years earlier. Avram Grant had us playing some good football, but again that was down to the players we had.

We don't have those players yet and some people simply don't have any patience for us to acquire or develop them. They want it now and if they don't get it they'll stomp their feet and hold their breath and cry and cry and cry.

Agree with you here. In order for Mourinho to implement his style he needs his type of players. If he has to be a wheeler-dealer and even sell a few popular players, I'd be fine with it aslong as it would benefit Chelsea. He wants to form a new backbone for the club, but it's hard to complete a puzzle with wrong size or missing pieces. I'm fairly surprised about the change of attitude towards JM, if we'd go back to the day he resigned for us a little under a year ago, then by the looks of it there were certain faces that would be ready to die for him but now are slagging him off. Maybe their expectations were set too high, JM is good but not a miracle man.

[Fernando 6,585]

Great way to take the game out of context, 24 seconds of youtube (hmmm).. Vs watching the game and knowing what happened football-wise over two legs. Mourinho is the big game specialist, Carlo was out-thought just like Pellegrini at the Etihad. Feel free to post whatever anomaly in his career you want to disprove that fact..

Carlo failed us in Europe like he failed Milan domestically.

Just like Mourinho been out though by smaller team and blaming the ref for certain games?

You can't have a double standard measure man.

With the same rules you measure, that will be also measured against.

[Pizy 18,952]

I think in amongst all the doom and gloom and finger pointing you have to give huge credit to those teams who came to us or we visited who just sat and sat and defended brilliantly.

Get the Cardiff game out the way and the rebuild starts from there.

We know with 100% certainty that we're buying a striker. We know after seeing Ash crying yesterday that we'll almost certainly buying a LB. Now we have to just hope and pray that José realizes that we also need a CM. Judging by his comments about Ramires the other day I'm not confident.

We may well go into yet another season with a piece still missing. That's my only worry.

[Term-X 7,891]

Just like Mourinho been out though by smaller team and blaming the ref for certain games?

You can't a double standard measure man.

With the same rules you measure, that will be also measured against.

Chelsea & Inter were somewhat equals, so in that case.. the managers are out-thinking each other, yes. Small teams/games are irrelevant here, notice you had to take it out of context (again) in order to have a point. I said Mourinho was a big game specialist, if you disagree with that 'do so'... don't change the subject.

[Polo7 3,496]

Just like Mourinho been out though by smaller team and blaming the ref for certain games?

You can't have a double standard measure man.

With the same rules you measure, that will be also measured against.

Check the stats for the Norwich game yesterday, thats not being thought out....its called having no strikers in your team.

[Spike 12,049]

Apparently if you are a Chelsea fan you also have to be a fan of Mourinho. Weird how little choice in the matter there is.

[Term-X 7,891]

I'm fairly surprised about the change of attitude towards JM

. Sold Mata (still bitter)

. Rival fans are 'moulding' the minds of Chelsea fans with the 'Bus meme' epidemic

. Hazard fans are currently displeased (even though the Belgium coach criticised him for the same reasons)

[Fernando 6,585]

Chelsea & Inter were somewhat equals, so in that case.. the managers are out-thinking each other, yes. Small teams/games are irrelevant here, notice you had to take it out of context (again) in order to have a point. I said Mourinho was a big game specialist, if you disagree with that 'do so'... don't change the subject.

Oh okay you meant big games only.

Fair point.

Results point to that, but it seems like last two seasons he has been out though by klopp and simeone in the biggest game of them all.

So does that makes them now big game specialist now?

No not for me, just that every year little things can impact the game.

[Jase 43,479]

You know, rather than bicker or going back and forth with the discussion, why not just agree to disagree and be friendly with one another?

Can't be that hard. Even cats can do it..

[Term-X 7,891]

Oh okay you meant big games only.

Fair point.

Results point to that, but it seems like last two seasons he has been out though by klopp and simeone in the biggest game of them all.

So does that makes them now big game specialist now?

No not for me, just that every year little things can impact the game.

Well, obviously not, because as you 'sort of allude to', it's all about consistency. Mourinho's is unmatchable..

[Fernando 6,585]

Well, obviously not, because as you 'sort of allude to', it's all about consistency. Mourinho's is unmatchable..

Yes consistency.

Last two years have not been consistency.

That's why for me Mourinho has to put his money where his mouth is next season.

He said this season is transition, fair enough. We agreed on all.

He says next season we are going to be title challengers from the beginning, fair enough. We agreed on all.

[Spike 12,049]

. Sold Mata (still bitter)

. Rival fans are 'moulding' the minds of Chelsea fans with the 'Bus meme' epidemic

. Hazard fans are currently displeased (even though the Belgium coach criticised him for the same reasons)

• The lack of instant success like last time (unreasonable expectations).
• A lot of the humour he used to have is gone. Now he says some really weird shit to the media.
• Some boring results and matches.

People tend to overlook a few positives.

• Azpilicueta is now the best fullback in England/Wales.
• Chelsea 6 - 0 Arsenal
• Terry's return to form.
• Cahill's improvement.

[bushman 2,043]

Isn´t it bad enough to read about Jose being ridiculed in the UK media?

Somehow, we are subjected to read this cockiness here too.

How much longer is this gonna go on?

Was Jose perfect in every game played in this season? No, he was not.

Has he done well under the circumstances? Yes, he has.

[Spike 12,049]

There is no need to deal with extremes. Mourinho deserves both criticism and praise. Most people tend to be either in the black or white zones, sometimes it's best to meet in the middle.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Looking back, Nov 2012 was bad, the last failing to win 3 games

Juve Away 0-3
City Home 0-0
Fulham Home 0-0

Nothing will ever be as bad as that and Rafa. To me Mourinho is the best thing to ever happen to Chelsea after all that Russian money, but people have to remember he is human, makes cringeworthy remarks now and then, but overall what team wouldnt have him ?

[The only place to be 11,313]

• The lack of instant success like last time (unreasonable expectations).

I do sometimes wonder if people forget that Roman's first season here was with Claudio as manager, not Jose. That team was pretty good (JT, Lamps, Makelele, Duff, Gallas, Cole, Eidur would be key players the next season) and Jose just took us to that next level with some key signings elsewhere.

We aren't there yet. This is the season where we lay the foundation, that was always the case. I think you're spot on that it was unreasonable to expect instant success because the reality is that it wasn't instantaneous in his first stint here.

We're talking about 2-3 signings to really cap this team off (arguably only the striker is an essential purchase if we want to properly challenge for the league).