The Mourinho Thread

[Muzchap 8,966]

Jose, first and foremost, has to come to terms with the fact that, on a number of occasions during this calendar year, he has got it wrong. If he is to keep his job then he will need to start accepting his share of the blame. I'm not suggesting coming out in the media, the media can go fuck themselves. But within the confines of the club, his approach has to change. Team selection, tactically, motivationally, the lot.

If you think back to interviews in the past with the former spine of the team, Terry, Lampard, Drogba, they all used to state how deep an impact he had on them and they would have run through walls if he wanted them to, that's clearly not the case anymore with the current crop.

Selection wise, in my opinion, Mikel should have went years ago and shouldn't be considered for selection, Loftus-Cheek ahead of him every time. Fabregas further up the pitch because it's plain for all to see that he is NOT defensively minded. Costa is a liability, he offered nothing against Victimpool, nothing, and has been non-existent this season.

Agree wholeheartedly and before this turned into a forum war (which we are all guilty of - mea culpa) - these where the exact points being raised.

I have stated I want Jose gone - not because I don't appreciate what he has done for us a club - but because the current Jose IS NOT the Jose I remember. What we have is a bitter, twisted individual that lacks charisma, lacks foresight and doesn't really want to change anything.

The difference to his first stint is that we had players with big personalities - proven winners - and they got it! The world has changed, the players are more sensitive? now and the 'siege' mentality doesn't appear to work. Therefore he needs to adapt.

That's the issue for me - he is not adapting in a positive way - he's getting more negative and blowing up everything - almost like a scorched earth policy!

The club have been great TBH - they have stuck by him - he cannot fault them - so now he needs to drop the chip on his shoulder and knuckle down and figure this out!

If the team are complaining that the football they play is shit - ask them how they want to play and 'compromise' - life is all about compromise !!! Get the players to invest in the system and share the rewards - don't sulk and throw them under the bus.

There will be times when the players can attack as they want and times when Classic Mou park the bus tactics are applicable - be a little more relaxed and try this shit out. Not transfer list anybody who dares to question your approach. He's a football manager - not Stalin!

So that's my 2p on the subject.

If he can change - I would love him to stay, if he can't - I'm sorry but I will be glad to see the back of him !

[Changingman_2000 876]

Agree wholeheartedly and before this turned into a forum war (which we are all guilty of - mea culpa) - these where the exact points being raised.

I have stated I want Jose gone - not because I don't appreciate what he has done for us a club - but because the current Jose IS NOT the Jose I remember. What we have is a bitter, twisted individual that lacks charisma, lacks foresight and doesn't really want to change anything.

The difference to his first stint is that we had players with big personalities - proven winners - and they got it! The world has changed, the players are more sensitive? now and the 'siege' mentality doesn't appear to work. Therefore he needs to adapt.

That's the issue for me - he is not adapting in a positive way - he's getting more negative and blowing up everything - almost like a scorched earth policy!

The club have been great TBH - they have stuck by him - he cannot fault them - so now he needs to drop the chip on his shoulder and knuckle down and figure this out!

If the team are complaining that the football they play is shit - ask them how they want to play and 'compromise' - life is all about compromise !!! Get the players to invest in the system and share the rewards - don't sulk and throw them under the bus.

There will be times when the players can attack as they want and times when Classic Mou park the bus tactics are applicable - be a little more relaxed and try this shit out. Not transfer list anybody who dares to question your approach. He's a football manager - not Stalin!

So that's my 2p on the subject.

If he can change - I would love him to stay, if he can't - I'm sorry but I will be glad to see the back of him !

Completely agree mate.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Did you not know mourinhos style before he was hired?! Did it change!? Mourning never played a balanced team in his career.

Prob of Mikel and Ramires isn't their brains at least not on the pitch they just make a very poor midfield - every other top club has better. Their technique isn't good enough for this level and That's on Jose as he values strength and discipline over technique.

Yeah but he had changed remember

Yeah those guys, especially Ramires try hard - but are ultimately ineffective in those positions. We need upgrades or let's not use the fucking 4-2-3-1 system when we don't have the personnel

[Reddish-Blue 2,512]

Matter of taste. I personally love physical old-school football which involves defending. Can't imagine us playing with army of dwarfs doing tika-taka 80% possession. It's just silly. Defending is as beautiful art as is attacking, it just requires some insight knowledge and experience to recognize it. How come Atletico aren't boring? They're just as defensive counter-attacking team as we are and we're rumored to be looking at Simone? So in that sense you're right, its the mentality that's keeping us back. And it really doesn't matter who it is or why he is trying to sabotage our squad, our manager, it's unacceptable. Could you imagine this kind of behaviour in an office type of work environment, unthinkable. Whoever it is, has to be gone on the second transfer window opens.

You're right, defending is an art, and just like attacking, you need players with the right mentality to make it work.

When I look at the current squad, I don't see enough players with that sort of mentality. Only about 4 of them are good at defending, the rest of them are either attack-minded or average at defending & attacking.

As for Atletico being a defensive counter-attack team...when they attack, they do it as a unit of 4-5 players, and they look capable of scoring 3+ goals a game.

When I see Chelsea attack, it's Willian or Hazard or Costa with the ball, isolated against the opposition and generally the opposition manage to clear the ball or force a shot from a bad angle.

[Essien19 1,415]

Today we have Champions-League matches, but all the Dailymail is going on about are Chelsea, Mourinho and Hazard.

They care so much, they want him gone and a lot of guys are jumping on the bandwagon.
The situation is bizarre, but staying by his side is really upsetting the newspapers, absolutely loving it.
They know when Mourinho is gone Chelsea will become half the force they once were, better chances for winning something for the likes of Arsenal or Pool, but not going to happen any time soon, Abramovich would have fired Mourinho already if he wanted him gone.
Let's stick together and steamroll Kiev.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Today we have Champions-League matches, but all the Dailymail is going on about are Chelsea, Mourinho and Hazard.

They care so much, they want him gone and a lot of guys are jumping on the bandwagon.

The situation is bizarre, but staying by his side is really upsetting the newspapers, absolutely loving it.

They know when Mourinho is gone Chelsea will become half the force they once were, better chances for winning something for the likes of Arsenal or Pool, but not going to happen any time soon, Abramovich would have fired Mourinho already if he wanted him gone.

Let's stick together and steamroll Kiev.

Erm. I don't think teams are currently scared of playing us

The media are paid to write bollocks - why even reference them?

The thing is - Jose is not blameless as your post suggests - he 'was' one of the best managers last season, this season he is probably the 'worst' manager in the EPL. He and the Team need to sort their differences out and get playing again or our future games will only end one way - in defeat

[Changingman_2000 876]

So it's not Cesc...

Hazard?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34708509

[Rmpr 8,977]

Maybe the story just wasnt true? Football fans are such an easy prey its quite hilarious the things most people in here believe...

[Changingman_2000 876]

Maybe the story just wasnt true? Football fans are such an easy prey its quite hilarious the things most people in here believe...

I'd very much like to think it's not true, and that the media are just being their usual cuntish self. But I do think sadly that there is something solid behind this.

[Essien19 1,415]

Erm. I don't think teams are currently scared of playing us

The media are paid to write bollocks - why even reference them?

The thing is - Jose is not blameless as your post suggests - he 'was' one of the best managers last season, this season he is probably the 'worst' manager in the EPL. He and the Team need to sort their differences out and get playing again or our future games will only end one way - in defeat

We play bad, really bad, and yes, Mourinho did make some mistakes, i agree with you.

But on the other side, we are the current Champions, so a bad spell must be allowed.

United, Arsenal, City, Pool, they all would have loved to win the league, but they didn't.

At the moment, we're at rock bottom, but it can only get better, not worse.

One thing shouldn't happen in the future, entering the private room of the referee and picking up a fight, that's not okay.

I don't think that Jose is currently one of the "worst" managers, he tries different things, because of that, he isn't becoming a bad

manager, he is still the same guy as last season, only more adapting to losing, but not for long.

The media should comply with objectivity and impartiality.

They have lost their way with Chelsea and Jose, especially the tabloids, no matter what you think about them,

they influence the opinions of a lot of people and what they are doing is wrong.

[ZOS 580]

Today we have Champions-League matches, but all the Dailymail is going on about are Chelsea, Mourinho and Hazard.

They care so much, they want him gone and a lot of guys are jumping on the bandwagon.

The situation is bizarre, but staying by his side is really upsetting the newspapers, absolutely loving it.

They know when Mourinho is gone Chelsea will become half the force they once were, better chances for winning something for the likes of Arsenal or Pool, but not going to happen any time soon, Abramovich would have fired Mourinho already if he wanted him gone.

Let's stick together and steamroll Kiev.

I agree. But some thing has to change... whether it is the manager or his way of doing things, it's Jose's choice. He has to make a decision ASAP

[Tautvix 1,321]

So it's not Cesc...

Hazard?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34708509

LOL...

Every player will say it's not him... Nobody will say in public it's me who said I'd rather lose than win for this coach...

[nowhereman 7]

EXCLUSIVE: Jose Mourinho will be sacked if Chelsea fans turn against him

CHELSEA'S fans are keeping Jose Mourinho in his job - for now.

Billionaire owner Roman Abramovich knows his under-fire manager still has the supporters behind him.

That has helped convince him to stick with the 52-year-old despite the champions' woeful form which has seen them pick up just 11 points from 10 Premier League games this season.

But if fans begin to turn against Mourinho following another poor display, against Dynamo Kiev in the Champions League tomorrow, it could spark his axing.

There was even more woe for Mourinho today when he was hit with a stadium ban by the FA and left facing legal action from former team doctor Eva Carneiro.

But he has been told that as long as he keeps the fans on side his job is safe.

A source close to Abramovich said last night: "Roman's well aware the supporters are still behind Jose and if he was to sack him it would a very unpopular decision with most of them.

"Honestly nobody knows what he will do and how long he will let this go on.

"But if the fans start to turn against Jose it will make it a whole lot easier for him to get rid of him."

Supporters sang Mourinho's name throughout Saturday's 3-1 home defeat by Liverpool and there were no boos at the final whistle, despite a third loss in seven days.

Yesterday Starsport revealed how Abramovich was anguishing over how long he can let the Chelsea crisis go on before he dumps Mourinho.

Mourinho's problems mounted today with his ban and a £40,000 fine after being sent off last month at West Ham for using abusive language towards referee Jon Moss.

He will be banned for Saturday's trip to Stoke.

Earlier in the day it was revealed he is to be the subject of an individual legal claim from Carneiro.

That comes in addition to the action she is bringing against the club for constructive dismissal.

Legal papers are set to be served this week.

It means Mourinho will have to appear in person at an employment tribunal unless the case is settled first.

Under employment law, an individual can be personally liable for damages if victimisation or discrimination can be proved.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/473478/Chelsea-Jose-Mourinho-Eva-Carneiro-Roman-Abramovich

If Mourinho's worshippers are really the main reason why he hasn't been sacked as suggested by the article, I now want him to stay more than ever just to see how long it will take for even them to get fed up with his antics/football. And no, I don't believe he can change himself and turn things around.

[ZOS 580]

the first step to solving a problem is admitting there is one. It is not due to a mere lack of good luck we're where we are. That's the single most troubling thing about our situation. People are blinded by their affection for Jose to see there is actually an error to be corrected in his approach as a manager.

[Miki-Liki 405]

They know when Mourinho is gone Chelsea will become half the force they once were

Are you even serious? Really mate?

Incredible, just incredible.

[Essien19 1,415]

I agree. But some thing has to change... whether it is the manager or his way of doing things, it's Jose's choice. He has to make a decision ASAP

Some decisions took a lot a lot of time, maybe Hazard, Fabregas and Ivanovic (before his injury) could have been benched earlier.

But now, he is more ruthless, Matic, Hazard, Fabregas they are all feeling the heat now,

their place has been put under the microscope.

In my point of the view, the overall style of play is evolving and getting better, yes, the setbacks aren't over yet, sometimes they hit us very hard. I prefer to look at the positive aspects and getting a draw against Newcastle after being 2 down or taking the lead against Pool isn't so bad.

Yes, the player's mentality hasn't been fully restored yet, but we're getting there.

Long story short:

Mourinho does make the necessary changes at least now, the team is getting better at scoring goals, yes, the organisation needs to get better quickly, but overall i can see clear signs of improvement.

What else could you expect?

More controll and a constant killing spree, but i cut Mourinho some slack, because we aren't talking about a machine, which you simply can turn on or off.

If we're that bad during boxing day, the outcome will be different, then we have to analyse the situation very carefully and maybe Mourinho should get the sack then.

But we aren't there yet, therefore i continue with my support and trust towards the players and Mourinho.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

FABREGAS

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Can i categorically deny that I have been the leader of a plot against the manager. This word leader means nothing to me and it would also mean I would have to organise and talk to people and I don't like to do that. I prefer to sit back and contribute occasionally and after Christmas forget it man i'm already thinking about my Summer holidays.

Wow this typing is hard work I'm off a snooze Adios.

[Essien19 1,415]

Are you even serious? Really mate?

Incredible, just incredible.

I don't think that Mourinho has lost his way.

A bad spell is nothing good, that makes us turn against each other.

Maybe Mourinho can't turn it around, even if, he is (for me) still one of the best coaches in the world and his knowledge of football is incredible. When you take that away, it's difficult to replace, i know there exist other good coaches, but to find another one as good as Jose Mourinho isn't a simple job.

Ancelotti made us play good attacking football and winning some trophies, but only short-term.

Scolari (world cup champion) and Villas-Boas (Europa-League winner) weren't able to deliver anything.

Di Matteo won us two big trophies, but he couldn't rebuild and evolve, that's something Mourinho is better at,

but he is no god, sometimes he struggles too.

Sad, but if the time ever comes, i would like to get someone young like Villas-Boas, but less arrogant

(didn't use Drogba to prove a point, lol).

Maybe Thomas Tuchel can get the job done, he is tactically fantastic, fresh and gives good talents a chance, look at Weigl and guys like Mkhitaryan or Gundogan are back on track again.

Especially Mkhitaryan is now able to score goals, maybe he can do the same with Willian, who clearly has the abilities.

But that's for the future, today i pray that Jose Mourinho will turn it around.

[Styles 9,790]

I saw something online that suggested perhaps somebody from Mourinho's camp has put the quote about 'losing rather than win for Mourinho' out there.

I genuinely wouldn't put that beyond Mourinho / his camp.

[nullabletype 987]

LOL...

Every player will say it's not him... Nobody will say in public it's me who said I'd rather lose than win for this coach...

Well he could say... nothing. If he really was the person behind the supposed comments he could simply not comment. Also, it would hardly seem likely Cesc is leading a dressing room revolution while his wife is tweeting support for Mourinho.