The Mourinho Thread

[lucio 5,418]

People asked for Baba, got Baba.

- asked for RLC, got RLC.

- wanted Zouma, is a fixed starter now.

- complained Jose kept playing Falcao because of his ego, Falcao is dropped from the bench vs Porto and Villa.

- complained that Jose never drops untouchables, dropped Cahill, Oscar, HAZARD, MATIC, TERRY.

- a clean sheet, got one.

- a win with 2 goals difference, got one.

But still, zero praise for the changes, all you can here on this forum is moan moan moan and moan, the glass is always half empty on here.

All you guys will focus on is Cesc and Ivanovic not being dropped, exactly what Jose asked for in the summer and didn't get: defender and midfielder.

All other guys has decent replacements, who is Cesc's replacement? Oscar? Is he creative? No we don't have other play makers.

Ivanovic is the only guy that should've been dropped earlier but who is his replacement? Baba? Not 100% ready yet. If we got Marquinhos/Stones or kept Filipe Ivanovic would already been dropped long time ago.

true i guess, but it was a dodgy win vs a horrible side, useful , but doesn't change the situation. and mourinho never delivers the perfect team sheet. he gives you one thing, but takes away something you wanted also,

[stroey 2,525]

true i guess, but it was a dodgy win vs a horrible side, useful , but doesn't change the situation. and mourinho never delivers the perfect team sheet. he gives you one thing, but takes away something you wanted also,

Yeah true but shouldn't he at least get some praise for trying to change things?

Hazard under performed whole season, deservedly dropped despite being our best player.

We don't have 2 Azpi's, otherwise 50% of our problems would've been solved. We don't have a decent back up for Cesc, without him we go back to 2013-14, a team without creativity from midfield that relies on Hazard or a counter attack.

[zolayes 14,489]

People asked for Baba, got Baba.

- asked for RLC, got RLC.

- wanted Zouma, is a fixed starter now.

- complained Jose kept playing Falcao because of his ego, Falcao is dropped from the bench vs Porto and Villa.

- complained that Jose never drops untouchables, dropped Cahill, Oscar, HAZARD, MATIC, TERRY.

- a clean sheet, got one.

- a win with 2 goals difference, got one.

But still, zero praise for the changes, all you can here on this forum is moan moan moan and moan, the glass is always half empty on here.

All you guys will focus on is Cesc and Ivanovic not being dropped, exactly what Jose asked for in the summer and didn't get: defender and midfielder.

All other guys has decent replacements, who is Cesc's replacement? Oscar? Is he creative? No we don't have other play makers.

Ivanovic is the only guy that should've been dropped earlier but who is his replacement? Baba? Not 100% ready yet. If we got Marquinhos/Stones or kept Filipe Ivanovic would already been dropped long time ago.

maybe the glass would be nearer to full if he hadn't got rid of Bertrand ,, Philipe Luis ,, Mata KDB Lukaku , Schurle and Salah . He would then have had genuine options.

[Azul 1,615]

I was backing him to stay until the end of the season but his comments yesterday about Eden are unforgiveable. I truly hope that he gets the sack ASAP.

[lucio 5,418]

was the 13/14 team that much worse? only scored 2 less goals , without a real striker.

[bethos1 802]

We won because we were better than them and seized upon their mistake for the 1st. Willian still had to intercept and Costa still had to get into position.

We controlled that match comfortably and shut the game down 2nd half

We can barely create a chance, if we didn't get those lucky goals I doubt we would've scored.

[stroey 2,525]

maybe the glass would be nearer to full if he hadn't got rid of Bertrand ,, Philipe Luis ,, Mata KDB Lukaku , Schurle and Salah . He would then have had genuine options.

FFP is one of the reasons we got rid of them, we've been a ''sell before buy ''club for some time. Jose isn't in full control of the transfers.

For example, in the 2013-14 season we started the season without a new quality striker, Eto'o was a stopgap and cheap signing. Not typical Jose to start a season without a top top striker.

This summer the club was in a rush to sell Luis before losing value (nearing 30), but was very slow with the Baba deal.

He preferred Luiz over Mikel as DM, and Luiz over Lampard as CM, why did he sell him? FFP.

Mata got more minutes than Schurrle, but the club got a huge offer so he was sold, FFP.

Lukaku didn't want to be back up and we got a huge sum for him, again FFP was deciding factor.

KDB and Salah didn't get chances. Schurrle was loved by Jose but still got sold. Again FFP.

[zolayes 14,489]

FFP is one of the reasons we got rid of them, we've been a ''sell before buy ''club for some time. Jose isn't in full control of the transfers.

For example, in the 2013-14 season we started the season without a new quality striker, Eto'o was a stopgap and cheap signing. Not typical Jose to start a season without a top top striker.

This summer the club was in a rush to sell Luis before losing value (nearing 30), but was very slow with the Baba deal.

He preferred Luiz over Mikel as DM, and Luiz over Lampard as CM, why did he sell him? FFP.

Mata got more minutes than Schurrle, but the club got a huge offer so he was sold, FFP.

Lukaku didn't want to be back up and we got a huge sum for him, again FFP was deciding factor.

KDB and Salah didn't get chances. Schurrle was loved by Jose but still got sold. Again FFP.

FFP argument doesnt hold water when you see the spending of the Manchester Clubs .. He got rid of players he didnt value and we are paying a high price for that .

[stroey 2,525]

FFP argument doesnt hold water when you see the spending of the Manchester Clubs .. He got rid of players he didnt value and we are paying a high price for that .

United is a big brand and has the biggest revenue, City is a cheat and is being sponsored by their own owners.

Chelsea...you and I have complained together this summer for the lack of activity.. I don't know why the club is so tight..the new stadium would cost 500+60 million pounds..maybe that's why.

But the fact is last year we sold KDB, Lukaku, Luiz, Mata, Ba, Schurrle to get Cuadrado, Cesc, Matic, Diego Costa, Remy and Filipe. 1 out 1 in policy. This summer we had no major sale, and suddenly we haven't improved our weaknesses. Coincidence? Many rumors, Jose himself (hinted) and Rob Beasley (cunt but reliable) said that Jose was told that he needed to sell before he could buy. This changed in the last weeks after the 3-0 thrashings, but it was already too late.

[herzogian 148]

KDB, Mata, Salah, Cuadrado, Shurrle... Hazard? How long will Pedro last? And what about Kenedy and Traore, such promising players but I fear for their future cause Mourinho propably is a pathological serial killer of the attacking midfield. It's getting ridiculous, he's become a caricature of himself.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

FFP argument doesnt hold water when you see the spending of the Manchester Clubs .. He got rid of players he didnt value and we are paying a high price for that .

I see your point, but then again, I think we were the only serious title contender of the past 2-3 years to take FFP seriously. UEFA have given City a slap on the wrist in terms of a small fine and a capped squad of 21 as opposed to the full 25 for European competition. But what have we gained out of it? Okay, some pretty good business and a couple of trophies, but I feel that if we'd have shown the same financial commitment that United and City did in the transfer window, we'd be in the top four at present without too many concerns. Instead, we did exactly what City did last summer and have been spectacularly overtaken. We are fortunate that, despite our shortcomings, the gap is "only" 10 points, and with 29 games remaining that is not an insurmountable divide*.

* I'd like to point out we have no realistic chance of winning the title at this stage (though, let's be positive, put a run together, and who knows?), but my point is that if we can regroup we can at least attain a top four finish and close the gap to a more respectable distance.

[King11Didier 916]

He is slowly killing our players and our whole team. Hope he will get sacked as soon as possible., it's for the good of our future.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

maybe the glass would be nearer to full if he hadn't got rid of Bertrand ,, Philipe Luis ,, Mata KDB Lukaku , Schurle and Salah . He would then have had genuine options.

Sorry but Jose could never have known that so many of his first team would lose form so rapidly.

I've now seen why he did not drop Ivanovic - simply because Baba was worse defensively at the beiginning of the season, because after weeks of adaption to the team he still looks no better than Iva did and I think that Mourinho decided he would rather cross his fingers and hope Iva would bounce back. I think now even he knows after injury it's simply out of the question and Baba getting match fitness will obviously help him adapt.

Dropped Terry but I think that it was more various outside factors that made him look worse, and restored to the starting lineup yesterday he looked solid once again, and covered for Baba well. Nearly scored too - he will be disappointed with the missed header. With Zouma (pace) next to him he still looks like what he did last season.

Matic was dropped but I think that the kick up the arse has renewed him - we looked more solid once he came on so hopefully he will kick on. His disappearance has also seen the re-emergence of Ramires, which is a positive.

Hazard has been dropped because he's been a passenger all season long and the negatives of his free role now outweigh the positives and it allows a more attacking fullback to play on that left side.

WHU away and Liverpool home will be the litmus test.

[LondonsFinest 692]

His favouritism of certain players let's him down, to be honest. We won't see a 4-3-3 of Matic and RLC, because Ramires has to be dropped. If he isn't then it is Cesc. While I am a huge Mourinho, I really fear he has lost himself in his general ego and self-belief.

[GodZola 630]

Well you can go through my posts mate and i have never said Mourinho should be sacked. Has he made some questionable decisions this season on and off the field a definite yes. 100,000 members is a bit of an anomoly because a lot of those members are overseas and become members as there way of supporting the club knowing they'll rarely be able to attend games.

What's our hardcore support that would go every game through thick and thin i would say about 20-25,000. So you say if we were in a relegation battle people would pay going towards £100 for a Cat A game mate sorry but no way. The crowds would be down massively. If we did struggle cup games would no longer be subsidised so £70 for a Cat B game against Norwich. Mourinho's last game first time round 25,000 everyone paying full price against Rosenburg.

Sorry fella but the last paragraphs about José in my first post was not directed at you so apologies.

Yes that's true there are a fair number of foreign members that have memberships & won't attend but it will have little effect on attendences, as someone that has had a membership for donkeys I've had the unfortunate experience of trying to purchase tickets online & I can tell you that the last 5 years has become very difficult to acquire them & since we won the CL the tickets never get to the 'general sale' stage. There are 24,000 season ticket holders alone, nearly another 10,000 goes to corporate & away fans, that just leaves just about 10,000 tickets remaining for members, whilst I take your point about paying 80 quid to sit in the West stand upper is a valid one - cus I'd wouldn't pay it but trust me there are thousands that will & do.

Yes I remember Rosenburg only to well, midweek games are a little easier to get tickets & if there was a reduction in attendances through poor results/performances then I can see it having a small effect during these games, however weekend PL fixtures in ain't gonna happen, certainly not this season anyway.

[nullabletype 987]

true i guess, but it was a dodgy win vs a horrible side, useful , but doesn't change the situation. and mourinho never delivers the perfect team sheet. he gives you one thing, but takes away something you wanted also,

There is no perfect team sheet, mate. Just read the match day threads, everybody and their dog posts a different starting 11.

And there is genuinely no point in conversing in this thread anymore because any comment that doesn't amount to "José out" or "we were utter shite today" is met with bewilderment.

As has been said by others already; he played Baba, he played RLC, he put Dave in his natural position, he played Matic after his supposed dig the other week. We never looked uncomfortable, we won and we kept a clean sheet. But still, the usual clowns moan because we didn't come out and tear them to bits -- as if a team trying to get out of a slump were ever going to.

Any positives are waved away as luck. Clean sheet? Villa can't attack. Goals? Villa mistakes -- as if the ball was passed straight to Willian's foot and Costa didn't have to finish or that the only way you can touch for a deflection is to be in the area knocking on the door in the first place.

Nobody expects everybody on here to think the performance was great. Nobody thinks this win means we're back to the old ways. But this game had a squad shake up and a well needed clean sheet and a few goals. That's exactly what we needed in this moment and hopefully the team can kick on from here.

Folks on here need to seriously wind their necks in.

[Reddish-Blue 2,510]

FFP is one of the reasons we got rid of them, we've been a ''sell before buy ''club for some time. Jose isn't in full control of the transfers.

For example, in the 2013-14 season we started the season without a new quality striker, Eto'o was a stopgap and cheap signing. Not typical Jose to start a season without a top top striker.

This summer the club was in a rush to sell Luis before losing value (nearing 30), but was very slow with the Baba deal.

He preferred Luiz over Mikel as DM, and Luiz over Lampard as CM, why did he sell him? FFP.

Mata got more minutes than Schurrle, but the club got a huge offer so he was sold, FFP.

Lukaku didn't want to be back up and we got a huge sum for him, again FFP was deciding factor.

KDB and Salah didn't get chances. Schurrle was loved by Jose but still got sold. Again FFP.

FFP only makes sense if your getting a net profit. In the case of Schurrle, we wasted all that transfer money on Cuadrado who looked out of his depth in the EPL

(I do agree about the rest of the transfers but not Schurrle)

[Polo7 3,496]

I was backing him to stay until the end of the season but his comments yesterday about Eden are unforgiveable. I truly hope that he gets the sack ASAP.

Dont get me wrong Im not exactly loving Mourinho right now, but to sack a manager who rightly criticises a player is idiocy. If Hazard leaves one day this forum will be left with true fans of the club.

[zolayes 14,489]

Dont get me wrong Im not exactly loving Mourinho right now, but to sack a manager who rightly criticises a player is idiocy. If Hazard leaves one day this forum will be left with true fans of the club.

When Mourinho leaves the true fans of the club will still be here,

[Azul 1,615]

Dont get me wrong Im not exactly loving Mourinho right now, but to sack a manager who rightly criticises a player is idiocy. If Hazard leaves one day this forum will be left with true fans of the club.

And I will be here still SUPPORTING THE CLUB. If Hazard leaves then Jose truly destroyed this club. I want us to prevent the inevitable that's why I changed my opinion mate.