The Mourinho Thread

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 13/09/2015 at 16:10, manpe said:

I agree and I wasn't even arguing that point.

My point was even if Ivan was playing like a reformed Bosingwa, we still wouldn't be conceding 12 goals in 5 games if the other defenders were playing to even half of their ability.

[zolayes 14,489]

when it was suggested that we needed MORE cover for the back 4 . in case of injuries or suspensions or lack of form ,, it was said 6 was enough .

now it seems we must rely on 6 at the most. It is going to be a long hard Autumn before winter kicks in

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/9/13/9318969/do-we-blame-individuals-or-chelsea-as-a-team

[KevinAshburner 1,270]

My Sources and My Agents have told me that AVB is Leaving ZENIT ST. P in Russia because CFC have offered him AVB a 2 Year Deal to Manage CFC. that is why AVB got in trouble in Russia on purpose.

[zolayes 14,489]

  On 13/09/2015 at 17:27, KevinAshburner said:

My Sources and My Agents have told me that AVB is Leaving ZENIT ST. P in Russia because CFC have offered him AVB a 2 Year Deal to Manage CFC. that is why AVB got in trouble in Russia on purpose.

That is one of your better WUM posts

[BlueLyon 9,359]

I dont understand why he plays Iva when there is Baba. I dont understand why he didnt play Remy once this season. I dont understand how the WHOLE team is underperforming.

These are all Mou faults and he needs to fix them. If there is a player or two or three playing bad, they are in bad form, if whole team is playing bad, its fault of manager because he cant motivate players.

One thing I also dont understand is why he keeps with such stupid after match answers like ''we deserved better, they were lucky, blah blah''. We suck and thats it.

He needs to put it together, certainly should not be sacked but if things dont change until may, thats it.

We havent shown the smallest sign of improvement since october 2014. Our attack has no connection, even our defense is absolute shit right now, despite Mou knows how to make his team good in defense. Actualy we play worst football and results in years, despite having such team, with players in prime or getting there.

Take a look at BVB what a change of manager can bring, I hope Mou solves this, but he is on thin ice. Its not bad luck or good game with no results. Its just shit performance after shit performance.

[iceman 329]

yesterday i wanted a strong-willed victory. today Ranieri did it

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

  On 13/09/2015 at 16:38, ZOS said:

5. I know what Jose means to the club and I don't want him gone. But no one can help it he himself wants to be sacked. What in hell is he doing?

Lol, brilliant !

Lots of funny stuff here and some quality posts, keep it going through tough times.

Mou says that we're unlucky, wait what ? That thing just starred me in the face. Wasn't he the last person ever who would blame luck ? Over the years he said that he doesn't believe in luck in football just 'unpredictability' of the game which he wants diminish to minimum by preparing team the best way for everything. That's his managerial blueprint. Something is going wrong here when he is more emotional (talking about things like luck, picking underperforming 'his' champions) and less pragmatic.

[Blue Armour 4,369]

  On 13/09/2015 at 06:04, Roquila said:

Problem is, even if we sack him, he FUCKED our squad too much.

He sold Mata,KDB,Luiz,Luis,Schurrle and Cech. Our squad is too fucked up and he is the only reason. Selling those players because they didn't fit his philosophy was reasonable when he sold them but now when we have a larger picture to look at it just looks dumb. We could use all of these players now because most of our starting XI is out of form but we have no choice. Drop Hazard for Moses? Cesc for Mikel ? Our squad is buttfucked. The next manager that'll come in will have a lot of work to do.

Thank you Mourinho for last year but the shit you bring with you is not worth it.

Mourinho may be responsible for a lot of problems with our play and starting 11, but I disagree with the fact that he just 'fucked up' the squad.

Given his way, I'm pretty sure he would have held onto ALL those players you mentioned even if it was just to keep them as bench players.

The limited squad is down to the club. This isn't 2009 anymore when we could have players like Essien, Ballack, Deco, Belleti, Carvalho, or Bosingwa come off the bench to make a difference.

Mata and Luiz were sold to balance the books, and bring in key players like Fabregas and Costa, who did their job last season. KDB and Cech wanted to leave because they wouldn't be happy on the bench. Filipe Luis leaving was down to poor rotation, I agree.

[coolhead23 1,146]

  On 13/09/2015 at 16:38, ZOS said:

6. About being fickle and all that .. listen, I come here to express my emotion. That's all. None of things being sayed affects the club one bit. As far as I'm concerned every body here wants the best for Chelsea in his/her own way.

I m sorry ... your Fickle!!!! ... stand in line

Well put up poster ...

[Barbara 15,149]

  On 13/09/2015 at 19:14, Blue Armour said:

Mourinho may be responsible for a lot of problems with our play and starting 11, but I disagree with the fact that he just 'fucked up' the squad.

Given his way, I'm pretty sure he would have held onto ALL those players you mentioned even if it was just to keep them as bench players.

The limited squad is down to the club. This isn't 2009 anymore when we could have players like Essien, Ballack, Deco, Belleti, Carvalho, or Bosingwa come off the bench to make a difference.

Mata and Luiz were sold to balance the books, and bring in key players like Fabregas and Costa, who did their job last season. KDB and Cech wanted to leave because they wouldn't be happy on the bench. Filipe Luis leaving was down to poor rotation, I agree.

most of those players left because they wanted, not because we asked them to (the list in the post you quoted).

Some of them didn't fit the plan, as much as people love Mata, we had huge issues playing with him, just like we have huge issues in our midfield right now.

The KdB saga have been well reported throughout the whole thing and even Wolfsburg manager - when Kevin was at his best in the club - said that Kevin is the kind of player that works well when things work the way he wants them to work, when he's got the power. Sorry, I don't want a player like that in my team, even if he's Messi or Ronaldo.

All others left because they were rightfully benched for better players - except Luís. I continue to believe that's been the only mistake Mourinho's done with players leading them to leave the team and I think he's very close to lead Remy to do the same, which would account as another mistake.

The 'I told so' party looks happy now - some of them - which is obnoxious as hell. Sorry, but they haven't told anything so. The team is completely off track right now, there might be some dressing room problem but fact remains all of those players except the keepers haven't showed up. They aren't performing and they don't look like trying hard to change it. did they predict Hazard to play shit? Cesc to play shit? Azpilicueta to lose his solidness? Matic to look shaky?

It's so easy to say 'We've been saying since January how bad the team is' and since the end of January - when City had the same amount of points as us we won a EPL title. Things look terrible now, it's a really bad moment and I think our EPL season is already compromised and we may not play UCL the following season, but am I to suppose the 'I told so' party also predicted Azpilicueta, Matic, Hazard, JT - which were our most solid players to be playing so bad now? Or will they say that when the rest is so bad there's nothing they can do? If I were to mention their individual mistakes in just five matches this post would be much longer. Yes, Cesc had a bad patch, but wasn't the 'I told so' party convinced it was because he can't perform in second halves of seasons? When some people pointed other things around they came barking this half-arsed excused as if it was gospel. Well, why aren't they saying it now? Oh because it's now the first half of the season, so they decided to point out what few had refused to acknowledge: he's slow and doesn't offer the physicality in the midfield. It worked for many months, it could work again just like that. The thing is the system isn't working, no player is working, the manager isn't working, even the computer isn't working. It's a collective things (people) gone wrong thing and then we're in this form. But let's replace Cesc doesn't play in the second half for a new more fitting one: José Mourinho doesn't stand longer than 2 seasons, it's a 3-season curse (or inability, you decide the term).

Sorry, many points are valid, but there's no much self-entitlement, and big egos going on (which is SOOOOOO amusing when said people are slamming mourinho for having a big ego) that is hard to take some people seriously.

Also, if we're out of UCL for a season, if we don't win bullocks this season, it won't be the first, second or even tenth time in the history of this club. It's not the end of the world. We rose to the world's football elite very quickly and even if we momentarily fall off of it, it won't be the end of the world either. We can just easily climbed it up again. Ask anyone 12 years ago if they believed our rising to football elite would be as fast as it had been and they would laugh hard in your face and call you delusional. If we did it once, I don't see why we couldn't do it again from a much better 'starting' point right now, have things gone to the worst.

The overreaction is still overboard by how far some people are taking this. And if by losing the football elite badge would mean losing some sort of fans, I'm all for it and I'll embrace it with all my heart. With quantity there's always a drop in quality, so I wouldn't mind that at all.

Jose is making a lot of mistakes, he still has my support and it's his mess to fix. If he notices he can't fix it, he should be the one to step down. The players are so poor right now, that's almost second hand embarrassment, it's also their mess to fix and if they can't find it within themselves the right motivation to play and defend this shirt as they should (and as they have been doing) they can also write down their transfer request. All of them will go away at some point, but Chelsea will stay, even if it's not at the top and while I won't be too happy about it, I won't love the club any less. But I don't believe what's happening right now jeopardizes what we've accomplished at all. We may take a setback, but we'll be at the top again soon after it, if it even happens in the first place. So, the overreaction is really unnecessary. It has happened with the biggest historical teams in the world, what made people believe we were to be immune to that? And most of them came to the top again...

[Tomo 21,741]

Tel Aviv, Arsenal, Walsall and Newcastle are our next four games.

Hopefully we will win on Wednesday and I think we will beat Arsenal purely due to the mental block they have when facing us, Walsall we should win and Newcastle will be tough but law of averages owe us one up there.

If we can win these four which is defiantly doable then at least some form of order will be restored.

[kmk108 1,186]

  On 13/09/2015 at 19:49, Tomo said:

Tel Aviv, Arsenal, Walsall and Newcastle are our next four games.

Hopefully we will win on Wednesday and I think we will beat Arsenal purely due to the mental block they have when facing us, Walsall we should win and Newcastle will be tough but law of averages owe us one up there.

If we can win these four which is defiantly doable then at least some form of order will be restored.

You could certainly look at it that way, or you could look at it like this:

Tel Aviv: Personally, I think we'll win, but if they still have an inflated sense of themselves, they could play flat and draw.

Arsenal: Haven't been impressive, but are better than we are now. They got a win over us and things have only gotten worse for us. I think we'll lose this.

Walsall: Is a should win, but if we run out a mainly sub/reserve team, I could see them playing up, us playing down and them shocking us. It's not like it hasn't happened to us before.

Newcastle: I'm always worried about playing up there and count it as at least a draw.

No doubt, this is an important run of matches, with a combination of a quality team, two teams we "should" beat, and a team that is tricky.

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 13/09/2015 at 20:12, kmk108 said:

You could certainly look at it that way, or you could look at it like this:

Tel Aviv: Personally, I think we'll win, but if they still have an inflated sense of themselves, they could play flat and draw.

Arsenal: Haven't been impressive, but are better than we are now. They got a win over us and things have only gotten worse for us. I think we'll lose this.

Walsall: Is a should win, but if we run out a mainly sub/reserve team, I could see them playing up, us playing down and them shocking us. It's not like it hasn't happened to us before.

Newcastle: I'm always worried about playing up there and count it as at least a draw.

No doubt, this is an important run of matches, with a combination of a quality team, two teams we "should" beat, and a team that is tricky.

Absolutely it could go very wrong but if i am told we will only win one of these four I would lump as much cash as I can on it being Arsenal.

Even in the Shield they barely created anything in a period were every one else is cutting us open at will, they still have a mental block against us and I still think we will beat them.

[Leif 6,006]

still, it's exciting to be such a fuck-up of a team this season. we haven't just gone down limply like United did, we're going down in style. it's quite beautiful and haunting. poetry will be written inspired by this season.

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 13/09/2015 at 20:19, Leif said:

still, it's exciting to be such a fuck-up of a team this season. we haven't just gone down limply like United did, we're going down in style. it's quite beautiful and haunting. poetry will be written inspired by this season.

In a weirdly perverse way I enjoy it when we have a bad spell.

That's when I tend to shout my support evenlouder than when we win, then I get United fans flocking my Facebook with the "you do realise your shit at the moment" type of response, which sums it up #notallonlysingwhentheywin.

[quickpassnmove 924]

  On 13/09/2015 at 20:23, Tomo said:

In a weirdly perverse way I enjoy it when we have a bad spell.

That's when I tend to shout my support evenlouder than when we win, then I get United fans flocking my Facebook with the "you do realise your shit at the moment" type of response, which sums it up #notallonlysingwhentheywin.

Would be more enjoyable if DIFFERENT PLAYERS got into the starting lineup.

[yuvala 2,167]

You guys have to agree that it is only reasonable to keep him here ATLEAST untill the end of this season ? (and IMO next season also even if we achieve nothing.)

Do we really want this whole manager spinning door thing again ?
If we part company with Jose it should only happen when we have a top manager lined up 100%. Pep, Klopp, Simeone..