The Mourinho Thread

[Laylabelle 9,535]

And Liverpool are playing better than us. We have sacked managers for way way less before.

they didn't last season though.no surprise this has happened

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

People moan about Mourinho being a negative manager and yet want Simeone?

You really find Atletico tactic with 120m€ budget negative ? I don't. He builds pressing machine and is able to give identity to the side. And integrates youth. 3 things that I point in my signature. The most important thing is that even his defending is active with all that pressing in the side.

[Jokesy 53]

And Liverpool are playing better than us. We have sacked managers for way way less before.

You forgot "after more than 3 seasons of endless patience and achieving nothing"

[xPetrCechx 13,571]

People moan about Mourinho being a negative manager and yet want Simeone?

Man.

I really wish we signed Sanchez when we could. 30m for him was such a steal

And Aguero.

[lionsden 4,689]

I think its been quite clear the only real thing Chelsea is trying to achieve is results in terms of trophies, and expanding the fan-base. Which I think is fair for a club still trying to establish its stamp the way clubs like Barca and Bayern already have. Integrating youth and having a better style of play are secondary objectives. Some of the long-time supporters of the club may not think along these lines, but this is what football is these days. A business.

You could argue that another manager could have come in 2013 and integrated the entire youth pool we had available then including DeBruyne and Lukaku, but it would have taken him a very long time to achieve immediate results. You may disagree, but it would have been a long time before we saw Chelsea's fifth league title if we had gone down that route.

This is precisely why we will never become a dominant team like barca and bayern. Success should be a bye product of your philosophy/identity. That is how you become a force to be reckoned with. The ajax and dutch teams of the 70's, barca post 2008, Bayern etc couldn't have achieved the level they reached by simply throwing everything together without a plan and focus. Their success was born out of having a clear identity which was perfectly implemented.

As for the second paragraph. Its nothing more than wild speculations and football cliché. How can you predict what would have happened with absolute certainty?. Our chances of winning instantly with those players under a more compatible manager is no weaker statistically than that of doing so with a mourinho who by the way didn't achieve success immediately either. Took him two seasons sonkind of a moot point

[borriske 330]

Liverpool have just sacked Brendan Rodgers. Klopp might be heading there soon...

... and brendan here?

[Jokesy 53]

You really find Atletico tactic with 120m€ budget negative ? I don't. He builds pressing machine and is able to give identity to the side. And integrates youth. 3 things that I point in my signature. The most important thing is that even his defending is active with all that pressing in the side.

Diego Someone is more like Mourinho than any other manager. The aggressiveness, the style and almost every other thing. What he's doing now, Mourinho has done it before even on a smaller budget.

[Tautvix 1,321]

Man.

I really wish we signed Sanchez when we could. 30m for him was such a steal

But... but Hazard is better

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

How about Liverpool sacked Rodgers because they heard we were interested in Klopp. Just a theory don't bite my head off ha ha.

[bluephoenix 1,131]

Him selling them has me more upset than the results.

He came here to a solid young core, and basically fucked it off to bring in shit like Cuadrado and Falcao.

+1

I was so pissed when I heard we are selling Luiz and Mata.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

#Rodgersin

[lionsden 4,689]

People moan about Mourinho being a negative manager and yet want Simeone?

Simeone has only parked the bus in few occasions. He took us to the cleaners twice (super cup and UCL at the bridge), battered barcelona in the UCL. generally he plays significantly better brand of football and he's tactically light years ahead of the current version of jose. He also doesn't need a gigantic budget in order to be competitive.

[Muzchap 8,966]

I love how as a Mourinho critic I'm now against Mourinho fans?

I have never insulted anybody with a differing opinion to mine?

If you support Jose fair play. I don't - for reason that I and others have articulated in very great detail.

I could probably get over the footballing identify, I could probably handle the Lack of rotation, I might excuse the failure to implement changes...

BUT I will never forget or forgive him for his recent actions, he has destroyed this season from being arrogant, narcissistic and not even man enough to admit he made a mistake. A true man would have apologised to Eva and Fearn and they would have been back on the bench the next match.

Ridiculing the players and then wondering why they aren't playing well - whilst distancing himself from any negativity is just pathetic.

I think the players have seen through him and realise exactly what this nasty little man is all about.

My only hope is that one day - those of you that truly 'love him' will allow these points and many more to wash over you and just test them out - I'm sure you will reach your own conclusions...

[Jase 43,479]

You really find Atletico tactic with 120m€ budget negative ? I don't. He builds pressing machine and is able to give identity to the side. And integrates youth. 3 things that I point in my signature. The most important thing is that even his defending is active with all that pressing in the side.

Put it this way - if you want to see us play the free-flowing, attacking football, then Simeone is not the manager to implement that style of play. His management style is very similar to Mourinho's - they are both aggressive, they can be proactive in matches and also reactive when they want to (sometimes shutting down the game, sitting back and keeping it tight etc). Let's not forget that when Mourinho's sides are at their best, they press too, can defend from the front, defend properly as a unit, hit teams on the counter by transitioning from back to front in a quick manner etc. We showed many of those qualities last season (and in previous years under Mourinho), especially from August till December, and there's an identity to that. It's just a matter of whether that can be sustained and/or it appeals to the fans.

[Tomo 21,751]

I love how as a Mourinho critic I'm now against Mourinho fans?

I have never insulted anybody with a differing opinion to mine?

If you support Jose fair play. I don't - for reason that I and others have articulated in very great detail.

I could probably get over the footballing identify, I could probably handle the Lack of rotation, I might excuse the failure to implement changes...

BUT I will never forget or forgive him for his recent actions, he has destroyed this season from being arrogant, narcissistic and not even man enough to admit he made a mistake. A true man would have apologised to Eva and Fearn and they would have been back on the bench the next match.

Ridiculing the players and then wondering why they aren't playing well - whilst distancing himself from any negativity is just pathetic.

I think the players have seen through him and realise exactly what this nasty little man is all about.

My only hope is that one day - those of you that truly 'love him' will allow these points and many more to wash over you and just test them out - I'm sure you will reach your own conclusions...

I honestly don't care about criticism and even people wanting him out, its going down the calling people fanboy route I don't like.

[Tomo 21,751]

Bayern's identity is a combination of fast paced attacking football and possession football, transition of youth into the first team etc. A more refined version of united pre moyes if you will and guardiola even despite his more patient approach (tiki taka)is not a complete misfit like mourinho was to Chelsea's initial objective. For example Bayern will never hire a manager that rarely/never promotes youth, plays dull unimaginative football and parks the bus in majority of the big games because it goes against their identity. When/if guardiola leaves, I'm willing to bet they won't replace him with someone like mourinho.

Van Gaal plays dull unimaginative football.

[Henrique 9,133]

Unless we start winning of course, in which case this will all blow over.

If it were any other manager he would be gone by now. He's surviving clearly on his previous rep at this club.

But then again considering all he's done here over the years maybe he deserves a get out of jail free card. So long as the results begin to improve or the players at least look like they're gonna get up off their arses.

I think its not only because of his reputation. Lets be honest, even for Chelsea stantards its a little rash to fire your managerAt the end of the day only 8 league games were played. Season started only one month and half ago. Lets be honest, even for Chelsea stantards its a little rash to fire your manager right now.

The PL is over, United, City or Arsenal will win it, but lets think about the top 4. The team is 7 points behind the 4th, but its Crystal Palace. 5th is Leicester. I don't think those teams can keep this form untill the end of the season. The teams that could end in top 4, in my opinion, are Everton, Spurs, both with 13 points, and perhaps Liverpool, 12 points. The gap is only 4 and 5 points, its not something impossible, but to be honest, I think the situation is really bad.

We are not talking about a situation where the team is playing decent football, but the results are not coming. Football from yesterday is a huge indication that something is really wrong. Think about Matic situation, and the way he try to "motivate" his players, actually the players are lacking confidence, and worst than that, it seems they just won't play for Mourinho.

I said this before, most part of this squad are spanish and brazilians. No doubt the likes of Costa, Fabregas, Azpilicueta and Pedro are used to stories about Mourinho during his time in Spain. No doubt Brazilian players know from Marcelo why Mourinho wasn't loved by Real's players, and in Brazil Mourinho is known for being arrogant, more than special.

I don't believe in next game, Matic will be motivated and after a international fixture, the rest of the group will play a game thinking "oh, we must play for Mourinho, the man is a legend, we must improve because he is angry with us, we can't fail him, he trusted us".

Its not a good message when the mager is in the press blaming players and never taking any responsabilities. Those guys are no fools. Imagine if your manager during a press conference say the team is playing so bad, he thinking about playing kids instead. Remember we are also talking about a group. Every single game he chooses another scapegoat. Terry, Hazard, Matic, Oscar, Falcao, Remy, Matic again.

The group is affected by those things. Imagine your boss are being unfair with your teammate. Whats going to happen? No doubt this will affect how you take what your boss say, and you might even think: I might be next target.

I think some people still don't understand Mourinho completely lost the dressing rom. Some reports in the press are saying "it seems Mourinho is losing", ah, fuck off, he is not losing the dressing rom, he already lost it.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but at this moment there is no reaso to believe Jose Mourinho will fix this mess. For me, the sacking is a question of time.

[Jase 43,479]

Simeone has only parked the bus in few occasions. He took us to the cleaners twice (super cup and UCL at the bridge), battered barcelona in the UCL. generally he plays significantly better football and he's tactically light years ahead of the current version of jose. He also donesn't need a gigantic budget in roder to be competitive.

I'll just post the same reply here.

Put it this way - if you want to see us play the free-flowing, attacking football, then Simeone is not the manager to implement that style of play. His management style is very similar to Mourinho's - they are both aggressive, they can be proactive in matches and also reactive when they want to (sometimes shutting down the game, sitting back and keeping it tight etc). Let's not forget that when Mourinho's sides are at their best, they press too, can defend from the front, defend properly as a unit, hit teams on the counter by transitioning from back to front in a quick maner etc. We showed many of those qualities last season (and in previous years under Mourinho), especially from August till December, and there's an identity to that. It's just a matter of whether that can be sustained and/or it appeals to the fans.

Just to add - you describe Simeone like some sort of perfect manager there but if you watch or follow Atletico Madrid closely, you know that is not the case. He has his flaws too.

[Pizy 18,918]

Simeone has only parked the bus in few occasions. He took us to the cleaners twice (super cup and UCL at the bridge), battered barcelona in the UCL. generally he plays significantly better football and he's tactically light years ahead of the current version of jose. He also donesn't need a gigantic budget in roder to be competitive.

Right, but he still employs a similar style as José and has a similar mentality. Plus, it seems like part of Simeone and Atletico's recent success comes from them being an underdog and having a chip on their shoulders. They know their players aren't as good as Barca's or RM's and they can't spend funny money on players so they use that as extra motivation.

Would Simeone's managerial style work with us? Especially if it's after José. IF Mourinho goes I'd want a totally different type of manager.

[Henrique 9,133]

Liverpool have just sacked Brendan Rodgers. Klopp might be heading there soon...

wow, that was rash. Firing your manager after 8 games, and one and a half month after the start of the season. Liverpool board showing they have the balls. I hope this will encourage Roman to do the same.