The Mourinho Thread

[Green Lantern18 54]

Thendo, on 12 Aug 2015 - 02:27 AM, said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3194289/When-Jose-Mourinho-said-Chelsea-s-bench-needed-understand-game-wasn-t-sexist-dig-Eva-Carneiro.html

First time in quite a while I found a decent and not Chelsea hating article from daily mail.

My take on the situation :

It was wrong/ a mistake by the med staff to run on to the pitch in that particular situation, as Jose said everyone has to be able to read the game. That said it was a mistake, and is something that could and should be learnt from, it feels a bit hefty to axe them if it's only because of it. But I imagine there has been some discussion and arguments behind closed door that together with the silly and uncalled for facebook post by Eva led to the decision to drop them from the bench ( assuming the stories are true ). This shouldn't even be news worthy though, but has been blown extremely out of proportion simply because Eva has some sort of "celebrity" status in the game. Hope to see it all resolved quickly internally with the regular medical team still with the team on sunday and this nonsense drama all blown over.

This really shouldn't be a surprise because Martin Samuel never seems to as hard on us as most of the other writers are.

illmatic, on 12 Aug 2015 - 05:14 AM, said:

What a shit of summer, god. Don't being enough with the bad results and our shit transfer market, now this circus?.

Kill me please.

I know it's early days, but yes, something doesn't seem quite right at the moment.

1. Christophe Lollichon confirmed in a supposedly unauthorized interview that the Cech wanted to leave for Arsenal.

2. Oscar's celebration against Swansea, as someone said here or on an another Chelsea forum. He seemed to be sending a message to Jose because he looked to be visibly upset at a someone on the bench.

3. Evagate nuff said.

As for our Transfer policy this season, I couldv'e added it as the 4th problem on this list. But it's a difficult one. Because I'm not sure who we couldv'e brought in to freshen up the squad.

I'm sure other people would have lots of ideas about this, but would any of the players that people are thinking of be happy to be squad players for most of the season?.

And how much playing time would Ruben Loftus Cheek actually get if we were to sign anymore midfielders?.

[CMS 382]

Much ado about nothing.

[Styles 9,790]

I don't get what Eva did wrong by acknowledging the support she received. She was probably inundated with messages and simply said thank you - literally that was it, nothing else was said. And people are seriously trying to use that as justification for a demotion? Truly pathetic.

Third season Jose really starting early this year and so are his crazies.

[GoranZg 56]

I'm afraid that this is going to be one long and disappointing season. Early signs are pretty much there.

Just right after the last season, there was this great article that proved in numbers what many of us were already pointing - that Oscar and Willian are our weakest links and that rest of the squad suffers because these guys can't do any better. And I really hoped that Jose is going to admit defeat and go for more powerful options during the transfer window, but he is just born stubborn and that's it.

Preseason games, just like matches against Arsenal and Swansea, proved that we're going to struggle and this 'Eva case' is just classic Jose response when thing are look bad and he is not willing to listen what others are telling him (simple, yet effective diversion from real problems). Today he made Eva scapegoat, tomorrow it is going to be the press, then the silent crowd at Stamford Bridge, then bad ref, and then he is going to send some unfortunate player to the stands. You can bet on it.

And I don't think Baba Rahman and John Stones are going to help the cause. We desperately need two world class midfielders to work the pressure upfront along with Hazard, but knowing Jose - you can write that idea off. Buckle up boys, we are going to witness another Jose show, but this time I'm not so sure that we're going to enjoy it.

[ZOS 580]

why can't he just shut up? Jesus Christ. Complaining to the media about his medical staff, banning a doctor over some trifle like this.. is this guy for real?

[supporter 3,088]

Jose is not a sexist,

The press / the journalists are sexist when they talk about Eva Carneiro like "The sexy doctor" or when they show pictures of her ass (which is sexist, denigrating and unacceptable) when she's a doctor, not a Victoria's Secret model. Do not be fooled!

By the way, now that the press tries to sell that Jose is a dirty sexist, but what is really disgusting sexism is what the press does with Eva Carneiro when every match they publish pictures of her focusing her butt when she is working on the pitch with our players. Eva Carneiro is not a sexual object, she is a doctor who deserves to be respected and not be denigrated with comments and photos about her body.

That is denigrating for her and disgustingly sexist because she is not working as a model for Victoria Secret, Eva Carneiro is a doctor working with her patients, in this case, our players. And the fact that she is beautiful is not an excuse for the press to publish pictures of her selling her as a sexual icon. That's disgusting sexism, and they should not give us lessons of morality.

Eva has been working with us for many years and have never been any problems because she was a woman and not a man . She has been working for over two years with Jose and he has never complained because she is a woman. This is a ridiculous story.

That is cheap philosophy for a new campaign against us from the press. And they should not say that Jose is a sexist when they speak about Eva Carneiro as "The sexy doctor" and show pictures of our medical focusing his ass. That is sexism, denigrating and unacceptable.

And by the way, this story are just Mind Games made by Jose to try that nobody talks about the fact that we have not started the season well, And the next Sunday we will play in one of the most complicated stadiums in England against Manchester City in a season with a terrible signings policy. And Eva Carneiro probably will be on the bench after the two upcoming matches. Are just Mind Games.

Regards.

[Unionjack 7,532]

First time I've commented on the whole Eva crap but thats what it is.

Shes part of a structure that when she made the FB post she knew exactly what she was doing. She was trying to make Mou look small and if it was a player or the £2 a BJ crack whore under Brixton rail bridge then nobody would be giving a fuck. But because there must be amongst us guys that cant get a date and use her picture in a full Chelsea kit to help their imaginations that would prefer to keep her than the best manager in the world they create summet out of nowt.

Im more angry that presumably her didn't have Costa straight onto the operating table after Palace. Instead we got another season hoping a magic sponge and sticky tape will keep his hammy together. Just maybe you should be more concerned about that.

[1chelsea 864]

I don't seem to agree with those who think they can spit all sorts of things because you are not under the Boss. In you office if your Boss accuse you will have the ring mouth of your to say he my friend so I can take it then you fight back? You f***cccckkkkiiinnngg shut the hell up. Jose react to situation media acted on that some go nut base on the fact she what you go on the TV to watch and on the Internet having wet sea dreams I say f*cccckkkkiiinnngg those have wet dreams for Eva and not seeing what the media is trying to create for Jose and Club. I see your faces going on Facebook say I love you Eva and all that shit have you ever go on Facebook to like or appreciate Jose shit loser

[Muzchap 8,966]

I'm sorry but Jose is being absolute prick

None of this shit should have happened in Public.

Jose should have kept his mouth shut to the press - if he had done that instead of whining and making up excuses, Eva wouldn't have gone on FB and this shit would have been a non-event.

I don't see Mourinho at Chelsea for much longer IMHO - it's been a great roller coaster again - but the lack of summer signings to me hint at problems down the line.

Now he's blaming everyone around him.

Our goalie made a mistake - we escaped with a point - there should be no drama.

I'm fast becoming sick of the Chelsea circus - yes the press have an agenda - but fuck me we do make it easy for them to spit out headlines continually about us.

Save the talking for on the pitch

[KevinAshburner 1,270]

Eva Carneiro Axed From Chelsea Bench! | Daily Blues

video length - 43:04

for the most important part watch from the time I've given and skip to it.

watch from minute 07:00 - 10:51 and tell me what you think about this.

[Unionjack 7,532]

I'm sorry but Jose is being absolute prick

None of this shit should have happened in Public.

Jose should have kept his mouth shut to the press - if he had done that instead of whining and making up excuses, Eva wouldn't have gone on FB and this shit would have been a non-event.

I don't see Mourinho at Chelsea for much longer IMHO - it's been a great roller coaster again - but the lack of summer signings to me hint at problems down the line.

Now he's blaming everyone around him.

Our goalie made a mistake - we escaped with a point - there should be no drama.

I'm fast becoming sick of the Chelsea circus - yes the press have an agenda - but fuck me we do make it easy for them to spit out headlines continually about us.

Save the talking for on the pitch

Its PROBABLY because he IS frustrated about lack of signings and that the club haven't brought in the players we need that he did comment on a small bit part of the squad. When a player doesnt do summet right he gets a mention so just because shes a woman that makes her special?

We should have more loyalty in our manager than a quack who are 10 a penny.

Mou is in no way perfect and I throw myself around my chair at some stunts he pulls and he gets me laughing like fuck alot of the time too. But I know I'd rather have him than 99% of any other managers.

Anyone with any sense must see theres summet going on behind the scenes but 1. He wouldn't have been given a new contract if Roman wasn't happy. 2. Mou wouln't have taken it if he wasn't happy.

The reason why theres moaning/whining/bitchin online is that NOBODY outside of the people that matter have any idea just what the problem is. So everyone just puts forward their own opinions and we all have them.

We have started the season slow. I'd rather that to be very honest than have all the added pressure of trying to have a perfect season and 'Will we win 4 cups'. I'd rather us start slow and build up as the season goes on. Much less crap from the media and you dont get fans wanting to commit Hara-Kiri when we lose 1 game.

[nullabletype 987]

Martin Samuel's piece from the Mail today...

The problem with the keenness of Chelsea’s medical staff on Saturday was that a layman, Jose Mourinho, was proven right.

Eden Hazard wasn’t injured. He was just knackered. He stayed down after a foul by Ashley Williams for that reason.

It is often why players go to ground late in the day — boxers will take an eight count for the same reason — and Mourinho, as a football professional, knew it. When he spoke of everyone on the bench needing to understand the game, it wasn’t a sexist dig at his female doctor, Eva Carneiro.

Mourinho was simply saying that not all insight comes from books. The moment Carneiro and physiotherapist Jon Fearn entered the pitch, Hazard would be made to return from the sidelines — a stupid rule, considering he was the one fouled — and that would leave Chelsea significantly outnumbered and vulnerable to counter-attack. As Hazard wasn’t hurt, it was an error. Considering Chelsea’s excellent record with injuries last season it would be harsh in the extreme if the subsequent change in Carneiro’s role at the club came from this one mistake — but perhaps it is not the first time she has overstretched her authority in Mourinho’s eyes.

The doctor will have one form of expertise, but Mourinho has another, and while it is the referee who decides whether the medical team can enter the field, surely in marginal cases there has to be consensus with the manager, too.

Harry Redknapp says that during his early days at Tottenham, Gareth Bale was prone to drama when kicked, even in training. In the end, he told the staff to ignore him. He was right. Bale toughened up.

Carneiro’s demotion will see Mourinho further painted as an arrogant control freak who would put his players’ health in jeopardy, but that is unfair. If he was the sort of manager who left a stricken player in agony it is unlikely he would have been this successful, or inspire such loyalty from his team.

[Roquila 1,335]

I'm sorry but Jose is being absolute prick

None of this shit should have happened in Public.

Jose should have kept his mouth shut to the press - if he had done that instead of whining and making up excuses, Eva wouldn't have gone on FB and this shit would have been a non-event.

I don't see Mourinho at Chelsea for much longer IMHO - it's been a great roller coaster again - but the lack of summer signings to me hint at problems down the line.

Now he's blaming everyone around him.

Our goalie made a mistake - we escaped with a point - there should be no drama.

I'm fast becoming sick of the Chelsea circus - yes the press have an agenda - but fuck me we do make it easy for them to spit out headlines continually about us.

Save the talking for on the pitch

After a bad transfer window, shitty pre-season results and a shit Premier League game he still has the guts to blame everyone around him except himself.

The bad PR he brings to the club is not worth a PL trophy every 3 years( if we dont win it this year)

We play super-shit football and there should be no excuse for that. People say we have no firepower. Hazard,Costa,Fabregas,Oscar,Cuadrado,Mata,KDB,Schurrle,Salah,Remy.... This is the firepower Jose had when he walked in. IF this isn't enough firepower that what is??

[Muzchap 8,966]

Its PROBABLY because he IS frustrated about lack of signings and that the club haven't brought in the players we need that he did comment on a small bit part of the squad. When a player doesnt do summet right he gets a mention so just because shes a woman that makes her special?

We should have more loyalty in our manager than a quack who are 10 a penny.

Mou is in no way perfect and I throw myself around my chair at some stunts he pulls and he gets me laughing like fuck alot of the time too. But I know I'd rather have him than 99% of any other managers.

Anyone with any sense must see theres summet going on behind the scenes but 1. He wouldn't have been given a new contract if Roman wasn't happy. 2. Mou wouln't have taken it if he wasn't happy.

The reason why theres moaning/whining/bitchin online is that NOBODY outside of the people that matter have any idea just what the problem is. So everyone just puts forward their own opinions and we all have them.

We have started the season slow. I'd rather that to be very honest than have all the added pressure of trying to have a perfect season and 'Will we win 4 cups'. I'd rather us start slow and build up as the season goes on. Much less crap from the media and you dont get fans wanting to commit Hara-Kiri when we lose 1 game.

I place about as much belief in contracts as I do in the Bible, Scriptures or any other written form of communication just meaningless mate, people sign them all the time. How do you know Mou's new contract doesn't have a clause whereby no compensation will be paid if he is dismissed?

You are right though - we don't know what's going on behind the scenes - but there IS something.

Mou does not look happy and is bitching and whining about anything - Costa is fucked again and it's suddenly looking like a long hard season. I guess it all started with the Cech deal and there's probably been some fallout from that.

The problem with Mou is that he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut - and that will be his undoing again.

Yes - he is a great manager - but if he cannot work 'with' the club - then he will be gone - it's that simple...

I dont want a new manager - but part of me is already getting ready for the inevitable. Stuff like Eva will be used against him in the future - rightly or wrongly

[zolayes 14,489]

If Hazard was just acting ,, why did Eva get blasted and Eden didnt ,, We all know why.

[El P. 1,354]

Why picking sides?

Nothing is black and white, as usual. They both are guilty and should apologise to club and eachother.

Eva for going in when it wasn't needed, and Jose for overreacting in public, making it much worse. Also, for not trying to understand that health of our players is more important than winning, even if it was maybe a minor injury.

It's PURE LUCK Hazard wasn't injured last season at all. Pure luck and our medical stuff.

Stay united, let's not be THAT club, with pro and anti manager fans. It's not the case here.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Eva Carneiro Axed From Chelsea Bench! | Daily Blues

video length - 43:04

for the most important part watch from the time I've given and skip to it.

watch from minute 07:00 - 10:51 and tell me what you think about this.

It's the other man who ran into the pitch like I said before.

An important thing is what was the referee doing at the time and also consider this:

We are pressing to regain the lead, we 're not ahead and try to hold on, or at any rate waste time. One of our players goes down. That means -more likely than not- real injury, does n't it ? So Eden Hazard does n't appreciate the game either ?

It's kind of crazy - reminds me of an incident in a friend's house.

I look for coffee - it's gone.

He says "oh sorry mates must have ran out, what a pity".

After a while I open a cupboard and there it was. So I say "here it is, coffee", expecting a pat in the back for finding it.

But he goes paddy, the other one and says "listen you and everyone, never open the cupboards in my house !".

Then Eva makes that twit, the party political broadcast of hers.

That too was a little unfriendly, coming at a time we are all under stress as well.

My verdict is a four week ban - half rations.

The club's court marshall verdict is too much,

[laeth 527]

Oh look, the same people who claim we need stability in our management regime and that its embarrassing we sack our managers so quickly are out in force now claiming Mourinho is a nut job and because we drew our first game of the season, needs to be sacked.

Fuck me. Some Chelsea fans are a right bunch of whiny, self righteous, hypocrits.

You'll all be wanking over Mourinho again if he wins the league. Idiots.

[Parky 739]

Alex Ferguson was a kunt and blamed everyone to protect his team. Jose has huge admiration for Red nose. Overall sport has progressed with more respect and humility expect football. Football has the biggest egos, prima donnas , diving and drama queens in all of sports. It's all getting a bit too much really. The players and managers get a huge amount of ca$h and sometimes it feels like they don't give a fuck or operate within society's norms. In my job if I did to Eva what Jose did I know that definitely I would be reprimanded for shifting blame and responsibility for my own failings or inadequacies to a weaker party. Yet in this case it was turned the other way round.

I respect Jose for what his has achieved for our club but this whole saga with our first team doctor has been gutter trash drama. Doctors are professionally trained to assist anyone in need of medical attention anywhere and at anytime.

KTBFFH!

[Pizy 19,374]

Have Bayern's medical staff that Pep forced out gone elsewhere yet? Maybe we can get them since they're supposedly the best in the business.