Edinson Cavani

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  On 04/07/2013 at 12:36, Special Juan said:

Will get better? Well I would hope so, but what happens to them from the off? We have no idea what impact they will make, but you are basically saying they should all be starting and the need for Rooney/Zlatan is void. I have explained my stance in previous posts but you keep saying we don't these experienced players, just young kids.

Who is to say young Lukaku can not score, become a hit at Chelsea ? Have you never seen young players who became an instant hit before ? Lukaku is so good, he could score 15 goals, easily, BA 10-12, Ferda 10...There is your strike force.

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  On 04/07/2013 at 13:30, milka said:

The words can't describe the things, better than that picture can!

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  On 04/07/2013 at 13:30, milka said:

Lol, drew wrong side of Manchester.

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  On 04/07/2013 at 13:34, bushman said:

Who is to say young Lukaku can not score, become a hit at Chelsea ? Have you never seen young players who became an instant hit before ? Lukaku is so good, he could score 15 goals, easily, BA 10-12, Ferda 10...There is your strike force.

Nobody is saying Lukaku won't score goals but once again you are going off track from your original points. You spoke of that we don't need players like Ibra and Rooney and said youngsters are the way forward. Youngsters are the way forward but not out and out for a starting eleven that needs the mix of youth and also experience. Players like Rooney and Ibra would improve any team in the world, and at the same time bring in added experience, and you can never have enough experience.

On your other points, Ba worries me, I think he is decidedly average and whilst he covered a gap last January he simply isn't good enough and we should ship him out now and bring in a top striker. Torres, well, you can't polish a turd. He picked up his form back end of the season but he has been more like a £50 signing than a £50M signing and he's another one I wouldn't lose sleep over if he was sold, we lose an average player and astronomical wages.

This window we need a top quality striker and a midfield anchor man like De Rossi, couple that with Van Ginkel, KDB and Schurlle and we are good to go. Rooney would be such a good edition, he can play up top and midfield whilst also working his knackers off constantly. Just because in the past you or anyone may of called him a fat scouser or a granny shagger just put your own egos to one side and look at what a player like him can offer, he would be a brilliant purchase.

Anyway....I'm out.

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  On 04/07/2013 at 13:27, Dinosa said:

I don't realy think that's a problem.Lukaku is not a world class player right now but he can develop into one.What about the other guys who wheren't world class and didn't had EPL experience?When Oscar,Mata,Hazard,Azpi,Ramires came they weren't world class players (and don't tell me that Hazard was because of a good season with Lille) but they all settled in well and proved their worth.Why something like that can't happen with the kraken?

Thats a valid point, actually.. you got me re-thinking, touche.

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SOMETIMES THE CAPS LOCK IS NECESSARY! I don't see how it bothers people to read.....

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  On 04/07/2013 at 11:57, didierforever said:

  On 04/07/2013 at 11:44, SkuNk said:

So, Zlatan with Mou didn't fight?

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PS: As far I'm concern, I can speak as much as I want in this forum. So I'll speak as much as I want. And if you still insulting you will get your ass kicked.

roman sacked mou or roman and mou had a falling out but 6 years later, SUPRISE SUPRISE, moun is BACK. these guys are professionals. they ll deal with it. plus we are talking about a zlatan transfer in the case cavani joins psg. if he does that what options do we have

cavani - psg, falcao- monaco, lewa - does not want to come, aguero - very settled, dzeko - city just sold balo and tevez in 6 moths with no replacements, rooney - manu will milk the transfer, rvp - not happening unless 40/50 mil.

so world class strikers left would be higuain/villa and that is barely an upgrade from torres/ba. so fight or no fight, attitude/ no attitude, zlatan will be better for us.

u can say what u want but stop being a busy body and getting urself involved where u r not wanted. learn your limits and stay within them.

No. Zlatan is everything but a 'professional'. He is a very talented, spoiled, stuck up, huge ego maniac. Sorry, but you do not know shit about psychology when saying that. He will be even more dangerous when his flame fades. I would rather NOT see that happen in our team. You bet Mou and him would have a serious standoff.

No, with all the young talent that needs to grow and be nurtured ... Why the fuck do you want an ass like that. What if Hazard or Oscar think: with a guy like that, no way! What then? Really, what then? If Lukaku also says fuck off and KDB as well? Or Mata who seems to be a super nice guy, not loving that style.

Well .... You just killed your last five years investing in young world class talent.

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  On 04/07/2013 at 16:34, Stingray said:

No. Zlatan is everything but a 'professional'. He is a very talented, spoiled, stuck up, huge ego maniac. Sorry, but you do not know shit about psychology when saying that. He will be even more dangerous when his flame fades. I would rather NOT see that happen in our team. You bet Mou and him would have a serious standoff. No, with all the young talent that needs to grow and be nurtured ... Why the fuck do you want an ass like that. What if Hazard or Oscar think: with a guy like that, no way! What then? Really, what then? If Lukaku also says fuck off and KDB as well? Or Mata who seems to be a super nice guy, not loving that style. Well .... You just killed your last five years investing in young world class talent. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

At last... the common sense has spoken!, well said mate.

Zlatan? no way.

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  On 04/07/2013 at 16:34, Stingray said:

No. Zlatan is everything but a 'professional'. He is a very talented, spoiled, stuck up, huge ego maniac. Sorry, but you do not know shit about psychology when saying that. He will be even more dangerous when his flame fades. I would rather NOT see that happen in our team. You bet Mou and him would have a serious standoff. No, with all the young talent that needs to grow and be nurtured ... Why the fuck do you want an ass like that. What if Hazard or Oscar think: with a guy like that, no way! What then? Really, what then? If Lukaku also says fuck off and KDB as well? Or Mata who seems to be a super nice guy, not loving that style. Well .... You just killed your last five years investing in young world class talent. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

so u just made our whole team a pack of bad-asses because zlatan came in and had a blow-off. well that seems very highly likely and very tough to argue against. in fact anything with so many "what ifs" and "what then" is hard to argue.... all i know is that zlatan has played for almost every top team in the world - reason he has a short fuse but is a brilliant player.

he went to barca and stayed for a year but none of iniesta, messi, pedro etc became hound-dogs like u expect our team to become.

the only thing that really sticks and is an EXCEPTIONAL point in your post is - He will be even more dangerous when his flame fades. that is a scary thought, but i would still say, he would be a good option for a year or 2 specially if we dont get cavani/rooney. because starting the season with torres/ba as our main strikers is inviting trouble.

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  On 04/07/2013 at 16:09, DustinC said:

SOMETIMES THE CAPS LOCK IS NECESSARY! I don't see how it bothers people to read.....

i know. its needed to get your point across specific type of people...

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  On 04/07/2013 at 17:34, didierforever said:

  On 04/07/2013 at 16:09, DustinC said:

SOMETIMES THE CAPS LOCK IS NECESSARY! I don't see how it bothers people to read.....

i know. its needed to get your point across specific type of people...

YESSIR!

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  On 04/07/2013 at 17:34, didierforever said:

so u just made our whole team a pack of bad-asses because zlatan came in and had a blow-off. well that seems very highly likely and very tough to argue against. in fact anything with so many "what ifs" and "what then" is hard to argue..... that is a scary thought, but i would still say, he would be a good option for a year or 2 specially if we dont get cavani/rooney. because starting the season with torres/ba as our main strikers is inviting trouble.

Sorry, that doesn't even start to make sense. Please, look at the original post. Maybe you mistranslated. Yes.

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  On 04/07/2013 at 13:27, Dinosa said:

I don't realy think that's a problem.Lukaku is not a world class player right now but he can develop into one.What about the other guys who wheren't world class and didn't had EPL experience?When Oscar,Mata,Hazard,Azpi,Ramires came they weren't world class players (and don't tell me that Hazard was because of a good season with Lille) but they all settled in well and proved their worth.Why something like that can't happen with the kraken?

I found out why I didn't have problem putting faith in Hazard Oscar or Mata but have problems with Lukaku. Problem is, I can't really put it into words..

Its just that Lukaku is a STRIKER and I kinda expect more from him I guess. Like if Oscar plays pretty well, give some assists and score here and there then its great. But, if Lukaku doesn't score a lot or miss I'll find it hard... Its like when a midfielder has an OK game its usually fine, we'll let it slip.. but when its a striker he has to score, I mean he's our man upfront.

Hope you understand... I know how I feel about it but can't really bring sense to it.

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  On 04/07/2013 at 17:45, Stingray said:

Sorry, that doesn't even start to make sense. Please, look at the original post. Maybe you mistranslated. Yes.

i get what u r saying about all the squad - psychology and harmony and how zlatan can have an important role to play in messing up the psych of youth, but we also have to understand that despite mou saying about staying here for a "long time" , nothing is still assured. what if we start with torres/ba and and the season trophyless and then mou is fired, that would probably be the single worst thing that could happen ti all our investment in youth because their will be no one to use that talent.

again zlatan is a back option in case we dont get cavani/rooney. i for one cant see any other world-class striker coming to chelsea in this transfer window,i.e., if u still consider higuain and villa as world-class.

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Lukaku is a great young forward with a huge future, but isn't ready to be number 1 forward at a club looking to win the title.

Some think he will hand in a transfer request if we ring in Cavani

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  On 04/07/2013 at 17:54, didierforever said:

i get what u r saying about all the squad - psychology and harmony and how zlatan can have an important role to play in messing up the psych of youth, but we also have to understand that despite mou saying about staying here for a "long time" , nothing is still assured. what if we start with torres/ba and and the season trophyless and then mou is fired, that would probably be the single worst thing that could happen ti all our investment in youth because their will be no one to use that talent.

again zlatan is a back option in case we dont get cavani/rooney. i for one cant see any other world-class striker coming to chelsea in this transfer window,i.e., if u still consider higuain and villa as world-class.

Yes , you are right. And I do get that.

But fear would be a bad advisor in this, I think mate. Lets not get into a situation where an individual gets more than our whole.

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  On 04/07/2013 at 17:48, yuvala said:

I found out why I didn't have problem putting faith in Hazard Oscar or Mata but have problems with Lukaku. Problem is, I can't really put it into words..

Its just that Lukaku is a STRIKER and I kinda expect more from him I guess. Like if Oscar plays pretty well, give some assists and score here and there then its great. But, if Lukaku doesn't score a lot or miss I'll find it hard... Its like when a midfielder has an OK game its usually fine, we'll let it slip.. but when its a striker he has to score, I mean he's our man upfront.

Hope you understand... I know how I feel about it but can't really bring sense to it.

You voiced a common bias. It is why strikers are mostly slated. Don't do it!

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  On 04/07/2013 at 17:48, yuvala said:

I found out why I didn't have problem putting faith in Hazard Oscar or Mata but have problems with Lukaku. Problem is, I can't really put it into words..

Its just that Lukaku is a STRIKER and I kinda expect more from him I guess. Like if Oscar plays pretty well, give some assists and score here and there then its great. But, if Lukaku doesn't score a lot or miss I'll find it hard... Its like when a midfielder has an OK game its usually fine, we'll let it slip.. but when its a striker he has to score, I mean he's our man upfront.

Hope you understand... I know how I feel about it but can't really bring sense to it.

Actually I do understand because I have the exact same feeling but I put my faith on Romelu because he proved last year that he is not goal shy and he always tries his best when on the pitch.

The problem we had with Torres was that he was missing from most part of the game and when he had his chances he missed them.I can't really see that as a problem with Lukaku because his movement is great and he is a great presence on the pitch.

On the chances now that he will get,that's another story.I know that he has to work on his finishing but at least he tries a lot when he has the ball.I remember games that Torres didn't even had made a shot.

All this talking about a world class striker is because we want our striker to be a game changer when we need him.OK Lukaku is not for now but I really believe that he has what it takes