The Next Manager?

[Atomiswave 6,118]

He wont get sacked neither should he. I remember so many claimed that Klopp etc needed 3 seasons at least to get going so we should be tolerable. Yet a few are asking for the axe.....bonkers.

[Blues11 213]

On 17/12/2021 at 00:56, NikkiCFC said:

 

Excuse me but I exactly want us to look like Bayern for example. Why not? 

Mendy is better than Neuer. And we have Kepa if you really want ball playing GK. He is similar to Manuel. 

James is great this season, easily over Pavard. Davies is amazing but dropped in form lately and Chilwell was also great before injury. Their CBs are all suspect, any of ours could walk in that team. Kimmich and Goretzka are world class but hey Jorginho and Kante are 3rd and 5th in ballon d'or. Highly rated. Kovacic was force before injury. Playing every game, 5 assists... 

They play Muller as AM, we could do the same with Havertz. They were compered before but Kai is way better. 

Wingers... They have Coman, Gnabry and Sane. We have Ziyech, Pulisic, CHO. Mount and Werner also occupy this position. So similar.

Lewandowski vs Lukaku is biggest difference but Rom is also someone with reputation of world class striker. We pay 100m for him after all. 

So in this 4231 setup Bayern is playing I really think we could do the same and be that offensive force. Really don't see quality differences in our squads. It's coaching and mindset. They were interested in many of our players we are not happy with. Pulisic, Havertz, Werner, CHO. Now Rudiger. I'm sure they would use them much better. 

                        Neuer 

Pavard Upamecano Sule Davies 

             Kimmich Goretzka 

        Sane      Muller      Gnabry 

                Lewandowski 

 

                 Mendy 

James Silva Rudiger Chilwell 

          Kante Jorginho 

Mount     Havertz     CHO 

                 Lukaku 

Also TT played 4231 and this total football already in Dortmund. I'm interested when he looks our squad does he think we have some weak spots that we cannot implement it here? 

I have been saying even last season that 3atb and the way we play is not sustainable long term. 

I really hope he makes these changes. 

I do believe Tuchel would experiment more but with our current squad I don't think he trust that we can change and be a good team. 

The main reason I think is actually our midfield. When we ran the 4-3-3 under Lampard, often we would be exposed by teams pressing our midfield.

We either have holding midfielders who don't do well keeping possession on their own, can't shoot, not good close to the box, or we have attacking midfielders who aren't very versatile and don't defend well. That's why our current setup is probably the best for our midfield because it gives them more channels to pass to the wing backs and center backs. Less pressure on them so they can sit back and just distribute. 

I was excited for Saul because I thought he could have a role in certain formations but he looks all out of confidence...not good. 

You mentioned Goretzka and Kimmich....Goretzka is one of the more versatile midfielders in the game and Kimmich is no slouch in every department either. Much better all-around midfielders than anything we have. 

Tuchel has done wonders but he needs to prepare this team better for when we go down a goal or make some adjustments sooner against weaker opposition. We have become predictable and it has shown lately. 

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

Well if MF is the problem we can address that on the market and Gallagher is coming back. I also heard this system also protects Silva. With Rudiger and Azpilicueta leaving 2 CBs are coming and let me tell you I'm growing on Kounde even in back 4. In top 5 leagues only City conceded less goals than Sevilla. 2nd one will be tall and strong like De Ligt or Fofana. Plus Tchouameni. Bring Broja back. Young and exciting team for the future. Let them play attacking football like TT did in Dortmund. When was the last time we had that? Under Ancelotti? 

                 Mendy (Kepa) 

James  Kounde  Fofana  Chilwell 

        Gallagher  Tchouameni 

  Mount        Havertz        CHO 

                Lukaku (Broja) 

 

[Jase 43,479]

On 17/12/2021 at 23:43, MoroccanBlue said:

Tuchel publicly stated he wanted a #9 who was a presence in the box and had his back against defenders. He then went on to praise the likes of Haaland, Lewa, Kane, and Lukaku.

From everything I've gathered, he pushed for this move. If this move sets us back, (which already has) he needs to be held accountable. 

He praised all of them but all are different type of strikers. 

Maybe Tuchel did want Lukaku but based on what's going on on the pitch, it doesn't look to be the case because the latter looks ill suited to the team. Won't be surprised if Tuchel just went along with the club on signing Lukaku. They were trying to push for Haaland back in January before Tuchel even came in. 

[LAM09 7,063]

14 hours ago, Jase said:

He praised all of them but all are different type of strikers. 

Maybe Tuchel did want Lukaku but based on what's going on on the pitch, it doesn't look to be the case because the latter looks ill suited to the team. Won't be surprised if Tuchel just went along with the club on signing Lukaku. They were trying to push for Haaland back in January before Tuchel even came in. 

I think the bolded is a given. It's a never-ending cycle.

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

On 19/12/2021 at 01:15, NikkiCFC said:

 

Mendy

James Kounde Silva Chilwell

Gallagher Tchouameni

Mount Havertz Chiesa

Lukaku (Broja)

 

 

 

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

6 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

 

Silva will be 38 at the start of the next season.

Also he will be much more exposed in back 4.

And with Kounde I would prefer 2nd CB to be taller. Would not be comfy with 178cm and 183cm pairing.

De Ligt is on the market it seems. Chalobah could be great even in this system I think. Silva will eventually lose starting spot but still will be important player.

I can also see why Chris is not sure about new contract. Once we go back to back 4 he may easily become 5th guy.

Chiesa ok.

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

14 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Chiesa ok.

Should be a priority along with Tchouaméni. I'm done with having one dimensional wingers. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Might as well start speculating now for a bit, I don’t think it’ll be too long if results keep going this way. Who next then? 
 

Poch? Zidane? Bielsa? Someone else?

[DDA 9,945]

Luis Enrique..

Get him

 

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

Just now, DDA said:

Luis Enrique..

Get him

 

He's apparently gonna replace Simeone in Atletico in the summer. 

[Bren 41]

9 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Might as well start speculating now for a bit, I don’t think it’ll be too long if results keep going this way. Who next then? 
 

Poch? Zidane? Bielsa? Someone else?

Would this lot not turn their noses up at Bielsa? He hasn't really won anything of note after all.

I really wouldn't like Poch here. The 3rd in a 2 horse race guy, and the 2nd in a 1 team league guy. Would not be optimistic at all with him in charge.

What about the Germany coach? Didn't do great at the World Cup but did well with Bayern which means he could probably command the respect of these players. 

It's slim pickings right now I fear.

[Pizy 18,956]

I honestly don’t think anyone’s coming in and salvaging this season. We’re too far gone. Too many players at rock bottom, worst in their career form. Too many hugely important injuries. Too many players simply not good enough for Chelsea.

I have nothing against Potter, really. This isn’t all down to a manager who is tactically stupid or naive. This is 85% down to these soft, mentally fragile players in my opinion. We have an entire squad full of guys who dropped off a cliff quality wise. All at the same time.

Really don’t see a way out of this during the season. We need to just weather the season, take our lumps, and avoid getting fucking relegated.

[Superblue 6,372]

Whatever people think, sacking Potter solves little at this moment in time. This was a group of players showing serious decline for months under Tuchel, with many showing the same problems of inconsistency and poor application under Lampard and Sarri before him. A new manager might get a bounce for a few games and then what? Will we see some of these players get a new contract or a fourth or fifth chance yet again. 

We're suffering from years of poor signings and planning, flip flopping from one manager with a certain style to another. It has an initial boost and then as soon as things get hard it's back to square one. 

We'll have the same problem this year as we did last in the league. We're not competing for anything so the right mentality won't be there for it.

Matt Law said we're desperate for leaders and he's bang on the money. It's not just about a Terry who will drag you into the trenches but we need players willing to lead the team with the mettle to get on the ball and show personality and courage to play. The freshness with how Felix played in the first half tonight just highlighted how stale this group of players have become. No one wants to assume responsibility with the exception of Thiago Silva who cannot impact the attack and is playing with car crash after car crash around him in the defence.

If we were in a much safer position I'd want Potter to start cutting some players out of the squad and playing more of the younger players but we're in a spot where we're a couple more results away from being dragged into a relegation battle this season. We're not 'too good', and if it were to happen I'd seriously worry that the majority of this squad wouldn't have the stomach and pride to fight their way out of it.

[didi007 69]

11 minutes ago, Superblue said:

Whatever people think, sacking Potter solves little at this moment in time. This was a group of players showing serious decline for months under Tuchel, with many showing the same problems of inconsistency and poor application under Lampard and Sarri before him. A new manager might get a bounce for a few games and then what? Will we see some of these players get a new contract or a fourth or fifth chance yet again. 

We're suffering from years of poor signings and planning, flip flopping from one manager with a certain style to another. It has an initial boost and then as soon as things get hard it's back to square one. 

We'll have the same problem this year as we did last in the league. We're not competing for anything so the right mentality won't be there for it.

Matt Law said we're desperate for leaders and he's bang on the money. It's not just about a Terry who will drag you into the trenches but we need players willing to lead the team with the mettle to get on the ball and show personality and courage to play. The freshness with how Felix played in the first half tonight just highlighted how stale this group of players have become. No one wants to assume responsibility with the exception of Thiago Silva who cannot impact the attack and is playing with car crash after car crash around him in the defence.

If we were in a much safer position I'd want Potter to start cutting some players out of the squad and playing more of the younger players but we're in a spot where we're a couple more results away from being dragged into a relegation battle this season. We're not 'too good', and if it were to happen I'd seriously worry that the majority of this squad wouldn't have the stomach and pride to fight their way out of it.

mourihno will kick the s... out of these softies. They need tough love!!!!

[Laylabelle 9,536]

The teams above us have got better and Man U and co would have to lose a few games and us not for us to even catch up...and Spurs shitty as they are still far ahead. I know it may help but we have nothing to win or gain this season so be intresting to see what they do now. If anything 

Edited January 12, 2023 by Laylabelle

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Simeone leaving Atletico in the summer apparently - whats the bet we get him.

[Vegetable 830]

15 minutes ago, Superblue said:

Whatever people think, sacking Potter solves little at this moment in time. This was a group of players showing serious decline for months under Tuchel, with many showing the same problems of inconsistency and poor application under Lampard and Sarri before him. A new manager might get a bounce for a few games and then what? Will we see some of these players get a new contract or a fourth or fifth chance yet again. 

We're suffering from years of poor signings and planning, flip flopping from one manager with a certain style to another. It has an initial boost and then as soon as things get hard it's back to square one. 

We'll have the same problem this year as we did last in the league. We're not competing for anything so the right mentality won't be there for it.

Matt Law said we're desperate for leaders and he's bang on the money. It's not just about a Terry who will drag you into the trenches but we need players willing to lead the team with the mettle to get on the ball and show personality and courage to play. The freshness with how Felix played in the first half tonight just highlighted how stale this group of players have become. No one wants to assume responsibility with the exception of Thiago Silva who cannot impact the attack and is playing with car crash after car crash around him in the defence.

If we were in a much safer position I'd want Potter to start cutting some players out of the squad and playing more of the younger players but we're in a spot where we're a couple more results away from being dragged into a relegation battle this season. We're not 'too good', and if it were to happen I'd seriously worry that the majority of this squad wouldn't have the stomach and pride to fight their way out of it.

I'd agree with anything except the Potter part - his arrival didn't cause even the usual bounce while and his presence is only making the things worse. The problems are real and persistent, but having zero confidence in man at the wheel is emphasizing them even more. If we are striving for leaders, the manager should be the first of them while Potter doesn't seem to have a personality for this.

Also, we are constantly talking about stale group of players, but we actually did replace a large part of squad sice Conte… Azpi and Kante are actually most senior players we have, rest is sub 4 or 5 years here of what I recall. We need Mourinho-calibre of character to make this bunch a team or send them out into space. Also, we need very smart transfer business and it's not something that seems to be going on right now.

Edited January 12, 2023 by Vegetable

[Superblue 6,372]

Just now, didi007 said:

mourihno will kick the s... out of these softies. They need tough love!!!!

You don't think Tuchel would be demanding and showing a similar way of managing them? This is an extension on the last 9 months under Tuchel. 

This is now a full 12 months of crap football, mid table at best form across 2 different managers. At some point when are these players going to take a bit of responsibility?

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

For the last 20 years if a manager isnt cutting it within a short time its sack time.

If the ownership decide Potter is long term, paralleled with mid table mediocrity, I can see a lot of our fans demonstrating worse than United did about the Glazers.