Chelsea Transfers

[YorkshireBlue 3,127]

Is lukaku really a bad signing? I don't think he is.

[Mário César 1,037]

2 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

Is lukaku really a bad signing? I don't think he is.

he is a reasonable signing

not the best option but not the worst 

[Jase 43,479]

7 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Declan Rice rejected West Hams’ third contract offer. Player wants to be aware of any bids made for him. West Ham may consider a bid over 60 million

- Matt Law

Just got around to listening to the podcast where Matt Law said that. He actually said Rice has only rejected two contract offers so far (in line with what was reported recently) and he would reject it again if West Ham were to offer another one. And with Rice only have 3 years left on his contract, West Ham would be keen to sell him as early as possible because his value will obviously drop each year. They would consider 60 million+ offer for him.

Other bits that Matt Law also said:

- Broja could well go out on loan.

- On Haaland, nothing new. Nothing is happening. Both clubs' position is clear. We want him but no inclination from Dortmund that they would sell Haaland this summer. All depends on how long we want to drag out the interest this summer before going for alternatives (if we haven't already).

- Club tried to have another go at Kane but it won't happen for obvious reasons. Tuchel doesn't care about the whole rivalry thing but the club know it's impossible to get a deal done.

- On Lukaku, there are still talks behind the scenes, despite his public declaration that he'll stay.

- Between Haaland, Lukaku and Kane, a deal for Lukaku is more doable because Inter still need money, even though they have said otherwise. That could change if Dortmund suddenly budge and maybe lower their asking price. 

- Club in a tricky situation over the ST situation. They don't want to commit to a big deal without knowing someone will buy Abraham and they also don't want to sell Abraham without knowing that they will sign a ST. The latter situation would put the club in an unfavorable position because others would know we would be desperate for a ST. It's not clear cut which ST we will get and it's not clear cut that we will end up signing a new one. Not beyond the realm of possibility that we'll go into the season with Werner, Havertz and Abraham as the three ST options.

- Club would listen to offers for Ziyech but not sure where the offer will come from because the club would want the money back, if not more. (Saw a report yesterday that Milan are still interested in Ziyech but unlikely to make a move for him)

[Pizy 18,504]

Think Rom would definitely get us 20 PL goals but I’m not sure he dramatically improves our title odds. Can see him doing well against lesser teams but struggling against the top ones.

[Mário César 1,037]

6 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Think Rom would definitely get us 20 PL goals but I’m not sure he dramatically improves our title odds. Can see him doing well against lesser teams but struggling against the top ones.

More than that I guess.

If he scores against lesser teams it will be fine. There are more weak teams in the league that strongers lol and are the same 3 points.

 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Mário César

[DDA 9,701]

Not sold on Lukaku but fuck it... it's better than having no put and out goalscorer.

[Mário César 1,037]

Well, we need to be realistic. If we don't chance to got halaand this season with the honour of be champions of the champions league, next year, its almost IMPOSSIBLE to get him.... 

so... if we can't afford halaand, we need to get another player and Lukaku is not a bad choice, there aren't much more options 

 

[Jase 43,479]

14 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Think Rom would definitely get us 20 PL goals but I’m not sure he dramatically improves our title odds. Can see him doing well against lesser teams but struggling against the top ones.

Funny you mentioned that because Matt Law said something along those lines regarding Haaland, in that he’s not convinced he would immediately hit the ground running and score many goals because of the whole Bundesliga tax thing if he were to come here and may need some time to adjust, which represents a gamble for the money involved (transfer fee + wages + agent fees). 

Regarding Lukaku, I’d find it hard that the club would be willing to pay somewhere around 100 million to sign him when he’s already 28 years old and would have next to no resale value for the future. 

[Jase 43,479]

8 minutes ago, Mário César said:

Well, we need to be realistic. If we don't chance to got halaand this season with the honour of be champions of the champions league, next year, its almost IMPOSSIBLE to get him.... 

so... if we can't afford halaand, we need to get another player and Lukaku is not a bad choice, there aren't much more options 

I feel like people are overplaying this ‘European Champions’ attraction card too much. 

Yes, we may be the Champions of Europe right now but players aren’t just gonna join blindly because of that. Am sure people are not blind to the fact that we have won only 2 league titles in the last decade and we were irrelevant in Europe for so many years before last season. That’s like only 3 major titles in the last decade. We might have also won the FA Cup and Europa League but am sure the really big players don’t care too much about that. 

[Mário César 1,037]

5 minutes ago, Jas said:

I feel like people are overplaying this ‘European Champions’ attraction card too much. 

Yes, we may be the Champions of Europe right now but players aren’t just gonna join blindly because of that. Am sure people are not blind to the fact that we have won only 2 league titles in the last decade and we were irrelevant in Europe for so many years before last season. That’s like only 3 major titles in the last decade. We might have also won the FA Cup and Europa League but am sure the really big players don’t care too much about that. 

Van Dijk, Alisson, Sancho...

Liverpool won nothing before get them and united dont know how to win in for years...

Only city won in england more than us but we won 2 ucl in in the last 10 years

Edited July 21, 2021 by Mário César

[Pizy 18,504]

2 minutes ago, Jas said:

Funny you mentioned that because Matt Law said something along those lines regarding Haaland, in that he’s not convinced he would immediately hit the ground running and score many goals because of the whole Bundesliga tax thing if he were to come here and may need some time to adjust, which represents a gamble for the money involved (transfer fee + wages + agent fees). 

Regarding Lukaku, I’d find it hard that the club would be willing to pay somewhere around 100 million to sign him when he’s already 28 years old and would have next to no resale value for the future. 

I think Haaland is the closest thing to a guaranteed instant success there is. His combo of pace, power, and skill will be highly effective in any league. Lukaku on the other hand has the pace and power but is still pretty average on the ball and struggles against defenses that isolate him. He will still have patches where he’ll frustrate the hell out of you with poor touches or close control.

Anyway, it’s so frustrating how things have lined up for us. We’re in the strongest position we’ve been in since winning the league with Conte. Even stronger actually. And yet our options are so extremely limited at the striker position so we’re basically paralyzed. Also the fact that transfer fees are so stratospheric these days we can’t simply bully smaller clubs than us into selling.

Every one of these world class strikers (Haaland, Kane, Lukaku) are a minimum of £100m. And then there’s just a massive drop off to the next tier of strikers who aren’t the level we need. 

[Jase 43,479]

6 minutes ago, Mário César said:

Van Dijk, Alisson, Sancho...

Liverpool won nothing before get them and united dont know how to win in for years...

You mentioned those players and yet earlier you said it’s almost impossible to sign Haaland without being the Champions of Europe.

Being league champions or European Champions is great and all but things could go either way when it comes to attracting players. Jorginho, for example, rejected City for us (largely due to Sarri) even though they were the English champions back then.

10 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I think Haaland is the closest thing to a guaranteed instant success there is. His combo of pace, power, and skill will be highly effective in any league. Lukaku on the other hand has the pace and power but is still pretty average on the ball and struggles against defenses that isolate him. He will still have patches where he’ll frustrate the hell out of you with poor touches or close control.

Easy to say that about Haaland when he’s still in the Bundesliga and not in the Premier League. I mean, his goalscoring record is great and all but it’s easy to forget that he’s still only 21 years old and he still is not the finished article. He still also hasn’t challenged for the league title or led a team to the league title in a major league. Not advocating for Lukaku here but compared to Haaland, he has all the experience and has actually led a side to the title in a major league (whether people think Serie A is crap or not is another debate altogether). 

[whats happening 1,540]

49 minutes ago, Jas said:

- On Haaland, nothing new. Nothing is happening. Both clubs' position is clear. We want him but no inclination from Dortmund that they would sell Haaland this summer. All depends on how long we want to drag out the interest this summer before going for alternatives (if we haven't already).

lets hope by doing nothing that the situation will change 🤡

[Pizy 18,504]

4 minutes ago, Jas said:

You mentioned those players and yet earlier you said it’s almost impossible to sign Haaland without being the Champions of Europe.

Being league champions or European Champions is great and all but things could go either way when it comes to attracting players. Jorginho, for example, rejected City for us (largely due to Sarri) even though they were the English champions back then.

Easy to say that about Haaland when he’s still in the Bundesliga and not in the Premier League. I mean, his goalscoring record is great and all but it’s easy to forget that he’s still only 21 years old and he still is not the finished article. He still also hasn’t challenged for the league title or led a team to the league title in a major league. Not advocating for Lukaku here but compared to Haaland, he has all the experience and has actually led a side to the title in a major league (whether people think Serie A is crap or not is another debate altogether). 

He also dominated in the CL tbf. I just don’t think there’s any risk at all of him struggling. He just seems like someone who is ultra confident and has a monster mentality. I can’t imagine him pulling a Werner or Torres and having their confidence sapped like that.

[Tomo 21,733]

God, i really thought the days of panicking we were going to resign Lukaku were over.

Yes he will score goals but we will be a worse overall team (compared to what we've seen under TT so far).

[avrobsws 29]

6 hours ago, Special Juan said:

Lukaku is coming.

It's either Haaland or Lewandowski but not Lukaku. Investing on him is a waste. 

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, Pizy said:

He also dominated in the CL tbf. I just don’t think there’s any risk at all of him struggling. He just seems like someone who is ultra confident and has a monster mentality. I can’t imagine him pulling a Werner or Torres and having their confidence sapped like that.

The point isn't about struggling but needing time to adapt to the league etc (Havertz anyone?). Werner's issue was not really the adaptation but the conversion rate, which can happen in any league. 

And would you have said that about Werner this time last year anyway? Everyone is always confident in life when things are going well until they don't. 

6 hours ago, Tomo said:

God, i really thought the days of panicking we were going to resign Lukaku were over.

Yes he will score goals but we will be a worse overall team (compared to what we've seen under TT so far).

Can't see the move for Lukaku happening, mainly due to the finances involved and for someone that will have no resale value whatsoever. 

[Special Juan 27,498]

Barkley to WHU watch this one....loan.