Chelsea Transfers

[milka 3,336]

This club should be run by professionals. You get rid of your best defender in recent months Chalobah for pound notes to replace him, downgraded further in that position with Silva also leaving, you have Disasi, Badiashile who are at best  rotation players and Fofana , who hasn't played in years. Osimhen after a whole season of PR how Drogba supposedly persuaded him to go to Chelsea how Clownlake wanted him in the end you can't take him because you can't give a salary for these top players. Another PR about how  Clownlake wants two top talents in each position is another lie if we look at which players they focus on - from Fulham to the second Brazilian league.

 

 

[Mário César 970]

10 minutes ago, milka said:

This club should be run by professionals. You get rid of your best defender in recent months Chalobah for pound notes to replace him, downgraded further in that position with Silva also leaving, you have Disasi, Badiashile who are at best  rotation players and Fofana , who hasn't played in years. Osimhen after a whole season of PR how Drogba supposedly persuaded him to go to Chelsea how Clownlake wanted him in the end you can't take him because you can't give a salary for these top players. Another PR about how  Clownlake wants two top talents in each position is another lie if we look at which players they focus on - from Fulham to the second Brazilian league.

 

 

what a joke of a board, tbh

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On 16/04/2024 at 07:36, Vesper said:

GKers

Acceptable ones

(In order of valuation)

Diogo Costa    
Gregor Kobel 
Mike Maignan   
Giorgi Mamardashvili 
Jan Oblak    
Anatoliy Trubin    
Lucas Chevalier     
Matvey Safonov    
Filip Jørgensen 
Marco Carnesecchi
Álvaro Valles
Alex Meret
Bento
Guillaume Restes (youth)

Gotta get a little credit for pulling this one out of me bum, lolol

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/Chelsea-transfer-news-arsenal-goalkeeper-32938634

Chelsea are eyeing Las Palmas goalkeeper Alvaro Valles.

Enzo Maresca wants a ball-playing shot-stopper between the sticks at Stamford Bridge next season as he looks to implement a possession-based style of play and the 26-year-old Spaniard may fit the bill. Leicester goalkeeper Mads Hermansen played a prominent role under Maresca at the King Power Stadium - not only keeping the opposition at bay but also clearing up in behind the Foxes' backline and building play from the back.

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[Superblue 6,370]

5 hours ago, Vesper said:

Gotta get a little credit for pulling this one out of me bum, lolol

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/Chelsea-transfer-news-arsenal-goalkeeper-32938634

Chelsea are eyeing Las Palmas goalkeeper Alvaro Valles.

Enzo Maresca wants a ball-playing shot-stopper between the sticks at Stamford Bridge next season as he looks to implement a possession-based style of play and the 26-year-old Spaniard may fit the bill. Leicester goalkeeper Mads Hermansen played a prominent role under Maresca at the King Power Stadium - not only keeping the opposition at bay but also clearing up in behind the Foxes' backline and building play from the back.

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Year left on his contract, how much do you think he'd cost?

 

[LAM09 6,694]

On 01/06/2024 at 08:43, Mhsc said:

Signing him for £100m+ on huge wages would be bonkers. The whole point of the setup is that the club should be able to find an Osimhen before he's at Napoli for £125m and wants £300k+ pw. The signing could very feasibly backfire horribly, leaving us crippled again. We have to learn and do better.

Personally I think NJ could have a breakout season and become the player we need, and think he deserves the chance. We need to be giving players more of a chance than this before we write them off for a more expensive option. If we go for a striker, I would like to go for a very different profile to NJ to give the manager variety, and certainly be spending max £60m / 150k pw.

You could argue only City don't need a no.9 in the PL, but only we are constantly linked with Osimhen for insane money. Wonder why?

Were Caicedo and Enzo purchased for fair prices? Even while we aren't giving out contracts comparable to that of Sterling anymore, we aren't exactly improving on the transfer front either, aside from keeping players on for years who may end up being huge busts that we are unable to let go of.

Giving the players adequate opportunities to succeed or fail here is something I wholeheartedly support, but not at the expense of the team's long-term viability. Going another full campaign with only one CF is a non-starter, whether it's Osimhen, whose profile differs largely from Jackson's, or a lesser clamorous name who has some experience behind him. Sesko is not the answer.

I am unsure about your last point. He's linked heavily with us, as he's exactly what we need & is a Chelsea fan. The links don't stop with us; if you look around, Arsenal are potential suitors as well.

On 01/06/2024 at 09:01, Thor said:

I wouldn't mind Osimhen - where am I not a fan? 100+ mil for him is ridiculous though. Nico and VO both scored 17 goals this season. Why are we paying that much for someone? Victor has had 1 good season. 1. O N E. Where in the world would we considering 120 mil a decent transfer for him? 

Nico literally gave you a better than DD 1st season performance - and you still complain... 

 

Which starters are we selling to rivals? Jorgi? He is a bench player at Arsenal. Havertz? Do you want him back? Kovacic? Again - why? He wasn't anything special at City aside from being another cog in a well oiled machine. A stop gap. 

We came 6th in a pretty miserable season as far as continuity and injuries go. DD had seasons of barely cracking 10 goals and was lauded because of how our team clicked and because we were winning. Jackson would be equally praised if our defenders could defend and our manager set our midfield up correctly from the start of the season. No one wants to wait at all. No one here has the slightest bit of patience. We literally watched a young team get better - and now we want to add more players for 100 mil+ when they themselves are unproven. 

You mentioned not being keen on him in the past. Jackson played TWELVE more games. If you're going to compare numbers, at least let me be on a level playing field. I've said it countless times: prior to this season, Osimhen's output has gotten better year on year (even with a face-altering injury), so this one season talk is nonsense. There's no other way I can put it. Good business and this board don't usually mix together—just take a look at our ridiculous GK moves over the past year.

I'm only presenting a truth; the topic isn't whether we want them back. It looks like Gallagher will be the next name added to the list while we go overboard for any Tom, Dick, or Harry with a Brighton link.

DD had a presence; Jackson's is fighting to take a PK in a meaningless game while he was shying away from taking one for his country a few months prior. Moments like this sour my feelings towards him, not to mention his childish behaviour, resulting in 10 yellow cards. Almost as many cards as goals is hilarious. 

Osimhen is unproven? 😁

[whats happening 1,520]

hummels wants to leave dortmund. i would go for him if we cant buy araujo. 

[NikkiCFC 7,902]

21 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Were Caicedo and Enzo purchased for fair prices? Even while we aren't giving out contracts comparable to that of Sterling anymore, we aren't exactly improving on the transfer front either, aside from keeping players on for years who may end up being huge busts that we are unable to let go of.

Giving the players adequate opportunities to succeed or fail here is something I wholeheartedly support, but not at the expense of the team's long-term viability. Going another full campaign with only one CF is a non-starter, whether it's Osimhen, whose profile differs largely from Jackson's, or a lesser clamorous name who has some experience behind him. Sesko is not the answer.

I am unsure about your last point. He's linked heavily with us, as he's exactly what we need & is a Chelsea fan. The links don't stop with us; if you look around, Arsenal are potential suitors as well.

You mentioned not being keen on him in the past. Jackson played TWELVE more games. If you're going to compare numbers, at least let me be on a level playing field. I've said it countless times: prior to this season, Osimhen's output has gotten better year on year (even with a face-altering injury), so this one season talk is nonsense. There's no other way I can put it. Good business and this board don't usually mix together—just take a look at our ridiculous GK moves over the past year.

I'm only presenting a truth; the topic isn't whether we want them back. It looks like Gallagher will be the next name added to the list while we go overboard for any Tom, Dick, or Harry with a Brighton link.

DD had a presence; Jackson's is fighting to take a PK in a meaningless game while he was shying away from taking one for his country a few months prior. Moments like this sour my feelings towards him, not to mention his childish behaviour, resulting in 10 yellow cards. Almost as many cards as goals is hilarious. 

Osimhen is unproven? 😁

Vlahovic outscored VO in 3 of the last 4 seasons in Seria A. Half the price and younger. He was available last summer probably is not anymore. So from this perspective paying 120m for VO would be mental. 

[Pizy 18,341]

19 minutes ago, whats happening said:

hummels wants to leave dortmund. i would go for him if we cant buy araujo. 

Maybe if we were still going to play 3 CB’s he could be a Thiago Silva sort of short term signing. But I wouldn’t trust him in the PL in a back 4. 

[LAM09 6,694]

22 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Vlahovic outscored VO in 3 of the last 4 seasons in Seria A. Half the price and younger. He was available last summer probably is not anymore. So from this perspective paying 120m for VO would be mental. 

Rumoured fee has been around €70m+. I personally don't think he matches the profile of CF we need. I'd imagine others feel the same, considering most rumours about suitors have cooled down considerably.

Also, it seems like people don't realise how much Napoli actually spent on Osimhen.

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[Magic Lamps 11,635]

47 minutes ago, whats happening said:

hummels wants to leave dortmund. i would go for him if we cant buy araujo. 

How are araujo and hummels interchangeable? Completely different types of CB

27 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Maybe if we were still going to play 3 CB’s he could be a Thiago Silva sort of short term signing. But I wouldn’t trust him in the PL in a back 4. 

Hummels is finished. He has had one last good season after years of decline. Hummels is now super slow probably slower than 40yo Thiago who was rapid when young while Hummels was always a snail 

It is not a vintage year for German cbs but if I needed to pick one apart from Toni it would be Tah and maybe koch. Both not perfect but one is a commanding presence, leader and good tactical brain, the other is PL proven, versatile and cheap 

Edit; just in, tah has agreed to join Bayern who ofc want to poach their main rivals leading figure. 

 

Edited June 2 by Magic Lamps

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4 hours ago, Superblue said:

Year left on his contract, how much do you think he'd cost?

 

I would wager around £10m to £15m, as, like you said, his contracr expires at the end of next June and his agent says he will not renew

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3 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

How are araujo and hummels interchangeable? Completely different types of CB

Hummels is finished. He has had one last good season after years of decline. Hummels is now super slow probably slower than 40yo Thiago who was rapid when young while Hummels was always a snail 

It is not a vintage year for German cbs but if I needed to pick one apart from Toni it would be Tah and maybe koch. Both not perfect but one is a commanding presence, leader and good tactical brain, the other is PL proven, versatile and cheap 

Edit; just in, tah has agreed to join Bayern who ofc want to poach their main rivals leading figure. 

 

My top 3, in order, in terms of best now would be Rüdiger (along with VVD one of the 2 best 31yo and older CBs on the planet, with Alaba 3rd, when recovered), Nico Schlotterbeck and probably Tah, but none are availabe, obviously

in terms of buying, perhaps Malick Thiaw from AC Milan

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

I would wager around £10m to £15m, as, like you said, his contracr expires at the end of next June and his agent says he will not renew

any preference between Valles, Jorgenson and Marmadashvili?

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5 hours ago, Strike said:

any preference between Valles, Jorgenson and Marmadashvili?

Mamardashvili

Vallés

Jörgensen

in that order

my number one overall choice is, of course, Diogo Costa, who is, after Ederson, the best ball playing GKer I have seen out there atm

 

BUT

if Mamar or Costa cost so much it blocks us on buying an elite CB, then I go with Vallés

 

Álvaro Vallés: The Modern Sweeper Keeper

https://breakingthelines.com/player-analysis/alvaro-valles-the-modern-sweeper-keeper/

Club: Las Palmas

Nationality: Spain

Position: GK

Preferred Foot: Right

Height: 6’3”/191cm

Age: 26

Strengths: reflexes, speed, line-breaking passes, composure, technical security, claiming crosses

Areas for Development: top-flight experience

It has been quite the arduous rise for Álvaro Vallés. After honing his trade at the academies of Real Madrid and Real Betis, Vallés plied his trade on loan at fourth-tier Gerena before making the move to Las Palmas in 2018. He would cut his teeth with their B team in the third division before eventually competing for a first-team place, solidifying a starting spot in goal in 2022/23 and leading the Canarian side back to the top-flight.

Las Palmas have impressed in their first La Liga season in six years thanks in large part to Vallés, who has made the most of his first Primera season and emerged as one of the standout goalkeepers in the division. A 6’3″ shot-stopper with incredible reflexes, Vallés is a ball-playing goalkeeper who passes every test: the eye test, the data test, the mentality test and the price test.

Whenever he has to make a quick decision, Vallés can react well and scan the scenario at a moment’s notice, boasting solid awareness and capable of anticipating where the shot is travelling. He’s skilled at altering his body orientation and reaching the optimal position to make the save. He boasts a save percentage of 74.2%, whilst he is also saving an astonishing 37.5% of the penalty saves that he has faced this season.

Under the reign of García Pimienta, Las Palmas have adopted a fearless approach in their return to La Liga and have heavily prioritized having the ball — only Barcelona (64.6%) averaged more possession than Las Palmas (59.8%) this season. They tend to build in a hybrid of a 3-4-1-3 / 3-5-3, with Vallés pushing up and operating as an extra center back in order to create a numerical overload at the back and play through the opponent’s pressing structure.

Vallés has the confidence and pausa to manipulate the press, waiting until the opponent rushes forward before playing a clever pass through the lines, remaining calm and composed and dictating the play with his passing like a press-resistant midfielder. Comfortable in possession, Vallés is a two-footed player who can receive the ball under pressure from either side and execute passes to perfection, and his teammates are always willing to give him the ball and entrust his technical security in dangerous situations.

It should come as no surprise that Vallés ranks in the 99th percentile for touches (56.71) and defensive actions outside the penalty area (2.65) as well as the 96th for average distance of defensive actions, per FBRef.com. Moreover, he ranks in the 91st percentile amongst goalkeepers in Europe’s top five leagues over the past year when it comes to Post-Shot Expected Goals minus Goals Allowed (+0.21), perhaps the most reliable metric when it comes to determining a goalkeeper’s shot-stopping ability.

The Las Palmas goalkeeper acts as a sweeper for the team and is often positioned higher up due to Las Palmas playing a higher defensive line. Similarly to Manuel Neuer, he’s somebody who always backs himself to take risks, come off his line, and make crucial interventions in order to prevent the opposing attack from getting into a dangerous goal-scoring scenario.

Despite a dreadful run of form that saw them close out the campaign with one win, six draws, and 10 defeats, Las Palmas managed to finish 16th in the table, seven points clear of the drop. Now, it’s time for a major rebuild at the Estadio Gran Canaria. García Pimienta will depart his post and become Sevilla’s new manager, and it seems that quite a few key players like Alberto Moleiro and Saúl Coco will follow him out the exit door.

With a contract until 2025, it seems a matter of time before Álvaro Vallés becomes the next player to depart Pío Pío. A 1v1 specialist who is quick off his line and skilled at maneuvering past the pressure, he has emerged as one of the finest goalkeepers in Spain this season, and he could very well end up surpassing Pedri (€23m) as Las Palmas’ club-record sale this summer.

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7 hours ago, Vesper said:

I would wager around £10m to £15m, as, like you said, his contracr expires at the end of next June and his agent says he will not renew

Like Tosin, this could be a very sensible signing to fill a need in a cost effective manner. We can't continue to spend money like we have over the last 2 years and if there is a player or two we do want to buy which are going to cost a pretty penny this window then we have to learn to get more creative in other areas.

The one slight concern is he's in his mid 20's and only played one season of top flight football so was last season simply a purple patch a la Mendy or is he just now showing progression and development which could easily be the case for a 26 year old goalkeeper. 

For the likely transfer fee he'd be available for, he could well be worth the risk to find out.

[Pizy 18,341]

The thing we have to remember about our keeper situation is how difficult it will probably be to get rid of Kepa & Sanchez. And then we still have Petrovic and Slonina who were presumably bought as young, future starters.

I can see this being the one position where the club have told Maresca “we know it’s not ideal for your football but you’ll have to work with what you’ve got there.” 

I can genuinely imagine Kepa getting a 3rd lifeline.

[Mhsc 866]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

The thing we have to remember about our keeper situation is how difficult it will probably be to get rid of Kepa & Sanchez. And then we still have Petrovic and Slonina who were presumably bought as young, future starters.

I can see this being the one position where the club have told Maresca “we know it’s not ideal for your football but you’ll have to work with what you’ve got there.” 

I can genuinely imagine Kepa getting a 3rd lifeline.

I think GK is the only position we HAVE to make a move in, it is almost unforeseeable to enter season trying to play that style of football without a new GK, sets new manager up to fail.

I don't see why it would be hard to get rid of Kepa with his contract being so short - surely at this point a sale on close to nothing is good for all sides. And he did just win the champions league and played a bunch of games for Real Madrid. Teams will want him at the right price.

One of Petro or Sanchez to stay and compete after that. Don't really see it as some kind of huge drama or problem tbh

[Pizy 18,341]

12 minutes ago, Mhsc said:

I think GK is the only position we HAVE to make a move in, it is almost unforeseeable to enter season trying to play that style of football without a new GK, sets new manager up to fail.

I don't see why it would be hard to get rid of Kepa with his contract being so short - surely at this point a sale on close to nothing is good for all sides. And he did just win the champions league and played a bunch of games for Real Madrid. Teams will want him at the right price.

One of Petro or Sanchez to stay and compete after that. Don't really see it as some kind of huge drama or problem tbh

For Kepa I was thinking about his wages and how after being at Chelsea & Real Madrid his ego may not allow to go to a smaller club.