Chelsea Transfers

[Simon1991 225]

13 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

He said it a few posts up.

But the main problem with Kounde is not even his height and built but his swashbuckling attitude, risky dribblings around the own penalty box and through midfield, lapses of concentration and stupid errors. He simply does not have the right mindset for a CB IMO.

 

@Magic Lamps, care to illustrate or give examples? 

And just NO, you can't praise a CB for being progressive with his runs and passing while at the same time blame him if a pass is intercepted or if he looses it, you can't have it both ways.

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

24 minutes ago, Simon1991 said:

 

@Magic Lamps, care to illustrate or give examples? 

And just NO, you can't praise a CB for being progressive with his runs and passing while at the same time blame him if a pass is intercepted or if he looses it, you can't have it both ways.

I never said I want a CB with progressive runs. There are CBs who are comfortable on the ball and there are CBS like formerly David Luiz and now mini-Luiz aka Kounde who think they are too talented to play like as such and engage in stupid dribblings and lose the ball. Even if his dribbligs are successful he usually tends to stay on the ball too long like willian or barkley until after the moment to make any progress is gone.

For the errors, just check the whoscored statistics for Konde, he is regulalry in the top places for errors leading to goals. It was particulalry pronounced during his time in bordeaux and he still has not ironed it out.

Also i watched Sevilla's games vs Barca and Real last season and he repeatedly tried breaking thei opposition's first line with dribbling and lost the ball leading to chances against Sevilla.

the most ridiculous defensive action of his will probably always be when he sat down on the ball on his own goalline for like 7 seconds vs Atletico Never seen a defender do something as stupid.

[Simon1991 225]

30 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I never said I want a CB with progressive runs. There are CBs who are comfortable on the ball and there are CBS like formerly David Luiz and now mini-Luiz aka Kounde who think they are too talented to play like as such and engage in stupid dribblings and lose the ball. Even if his dribbligs are successful he usually tends to stay on the ball too long like willian or barkley until after the moment to make any progress is gone.

For the errors, just check the whoscored statistics for Konde, he is regulalry in the top places for errors leading to goals. It was particulalry pronounced during his time in bordeaux and he still has not ironed it out.

Also i watched Sevilla's games vs Barca and Real last season and he repeatedly tried breaking thei opposition's first line with dribbling and lost the ball leading to chances against Sevilla.

the most ridiculous defensive action of his will probably always be when he sat down on the ball on his own goalline for like 7 seconds vs Atletico Never seen a defender do something as stupid.

You did not say that yourself, but fair to assume this is something the club values and one of the reasons we're after him. I tried to look for that stat on whoscored but could not find it, do you have a link you could share?

When he was playing at Bordeaux, he was what, 19/20? A defender is never a finished product at that age and mistakes happen. Azpi, TS, AC, they all made mistakes at some point and that does make them bad defenders automatically. I have not watched those games against Barca and Real so i don't know. Maybe he just had bad games and the few games you've seen of him did not put him in a good light. Who knows.

I'll be honest i have not seen him enough to have a clear opinion of him.

What baffles me though is that a few fans who have in all likelihood seen a maximum of 5 games draw definite conclusions on his level and whether he is good enough for Chelsea, especially when the main argument is that he's a dwarf when it's clear that the person issuing that judgment has a personal and footballing fixation on height. He has great vertical leap from what i can see and statistically wins a lot of aerial duels. He is also built as a tank so i am unsure why his height worries some of our fan base.

I will definitely put a lot more faith in Man City and Chelsea recruitment teams than the opinion of a few fans who are quick to pretend they know all about a player (not aiming at you, more of a general observation). The fact that Sevilla rejected close to 55M for him is telling also. They get to see him firsthand, so trust me if he was a bad player he'd be sealed and delivered for much less than 55 bricks.

 

 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,477]

500M over 5 years.... yeah no

 

 

[manpe 10,861]

11 hours ago, Johnnyeye said:

how do you guys rate this transfer window? 0-10 and why? Cheers fellow Chelsea supporters  

9/10

Fixed our midfield. We now have 4 starter quality (theoretically, need to see how Saul adapts) midfielders, each with their own unique skillsets. Tuchel will be reveling in the tactical options he now has. On paper our midfield looks unreal, who would have thought some 3-4 years ago that we would have Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic and Saul all in our squad. I still remember how people on here were dreaming about and how unrealistic it seemed to sign any of them, but here we are...

Also finally got a proper striker in Lukaku. Even with Giroud and Tammy gone, we still have Havertz and Werner as striking options. None of them are remotely similar to each other, so here again Tuchel will be presented with several tactical choices and rotational options. 

 

I'm gonna keep it short, I think this transfer window has made us champions. We're gonna win the whole thing, I can feel it. 🙈

Edited September 1, 2021 by manpe

[NikkiCFC 7,942]

Kounde playing RB and got red card. 

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

12 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Kounde playing RB and got red card. 

lol. Appreciate his efforts to prove my point. 

[Mário César 975]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Kounde playing RB and got red card. 

Who cares?

[whats happening 1,525]

6 hours ago, Muzchap said:

He said it a few posts up.

But the main problem with Kounde is not even his height and built but his swashbuckling attitude, risky dribblings around the own penalty box and through midfield, lapses of concentration and stupid errors. He simply does not have the right mindset for a CB IMO.

sounds like rudiger.

[Duppy Conqueror 1,494]

6 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Just take a look at Dave's performance against Liverpool. Had Mane in his pocket and beat him to every ball. 

Could Kounde provide us that same defensive awareness? 

Probably not but is 10 years younger.and whilst it's clear that Tuchel sees him as his heir apparent as he can cover RB and RCB.Dave is a fighter and looks far from ready to give up his spot for at least another,maybe 2 years. It's a shame Livramento didn't hang around as would have been ideal to have in the squad now as depth for RWB,and James could cover for RCB along with Trev. Kounde was always not really that important for now even though I hoped he would join us.

[Vesper 28,779]

9 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Overall balance		+£1.88m
Income	21	£97.60m
Expenditure	20	£95.72m

We didn't get Kounde, but we as fans and especially the club should be very happy how this summer panned out. 

those stats are way off (as I fully documented above)

we are at +£53m or so, counting all outlays minus all income fees for sales and loans, if Tino Anjorin is sold (a £17m buy option in his loan agreement) in January, we are +£70m

 

Edited September 2, 2021 by Vesper

[Vesper 28,779]

Transfer market: end of negative trend   The 67th edition of the CIES Football Observatory Monthly Report analyses from an economic perspective transfer operations carried out by big-5 league clubs during the last decade. It notably shows that the declining trend in investments after the health crisis has stopped. During the last transfer window, clubs from the five major European leagues spent 2% more than in the previous summer. The study also shows that the pandemic has reinforced the domination of English Premier League clubs on the transfer market. The percentage of spending of the latter in comparison to the total big-5 league clubs’ transfer expenditure has increased from 35% between January 2012 and January 2020 to over 45% for the three post-COVID transfer windows. The percentage of investments of the ten clubs having spent the most has also increased between these periods (from 33% to 35% per transfer window on average), as that of the ten most expensive transfers in comparison to the total (from 30% to 33%). All the indicators show a trend towards a concentration of spending from the richest clubs, in particular the wealthiest Premier League ones. Six English teams are at the top of the rankings for the most negative post-pandemic net transfer spending, with Manchester United (-€217 million) ahead of Chelsea (-€205 M) and Arsenal (-€194 M). Since the COVID crisis, English top division clubs recorded a total deficit of almost two billion euro in transfer operations. Conversely, Spanish Liga teams registered a positive net balance (+€200 million). Within the context of a general crisis, the English Premier League is the only competition where a majority of clubs invest massively on the transfer market. This allowed many teams from the other big-5 leagues, and, in a cascade effect, further down, to limit the impact of the health crisis and shows the importance of a global transfer system as it currently exists. At the same time, the dependence of a growing number of clubs even within the wealthiest leagues on transfer incomes highlights the weakness of the current professional football economic system. The survival of more and more teams pivots indeed on the profits generated through the transfer of their best players. This situation is both financially dangerous and sportingly limiting. FULL REPORT

[NikkiCFC 7,942]

Apparently this is about Kounde...

 

[Vesper 28,779]

France v Bosnia and Herzegovina (Kounde red)

https://soccercatch.com/matches/17680745/france-vs-bosnia-and-herzegovina#media

 

[Vesper 28,779]

28 minutes ago, Vesper said:

France v Bosnia and Herzegovina (Kounde red)

https://soccercatch.com/matches/17680745/france-vs-bosnia-and-herzegovina#media

 

super weak red

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[Vegetable 830]

I'm not convinced Russian league is a great place to develop a player… I guess the club is rather looking to exercise buyout clause here