Chelsea Transfers

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

30 minutes ago, Tomo said:

The obsession of physicality and height over technique is what caused us to have a few years of 'transition' in the first place.

Shit signings and sales irrespective of any of this  is what caused the transition. It is a combination of physical and technical aspects that is vital in most positions, cb is one of them.

But the main problem with Kounde is not even his height and built but his swashbuckling attitude, risky dribblings around the own penalty box and through midfield, lapses of concentration and stupid errors. He simply does not have the right mindset for a CB IMO.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[DH1988 1,348]

2 hours ago, Styl1994 said:

Now that Ronaldo has gone he will be a key man for Juventus 

For sure, they don’t have many players like that, but will Juve satisfy his ambition? Time will tell.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

11 minutes ago, DH1988 said:

For sure, they don’t have many players like that, but will Juve satisfy his ambition? Time will tell.

Winning Serie A and Coppa Italia should be easy task for them. I don't see Chiesa leaving Juve any time soon.

Edited September 1, 2021 by Blues Forever

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

Overall balance		+£1.88m
Income	21	£97.60m
Expenditure	20	£95.72m

We didn't get Kounde, but we as fans and especially the club should be very happy how this summer panned out. 

[Vegetable 830]

I wonder how came Drinkwater found his place and Barkley was left behind? I guess DD's salary is higher and footballing quality bit worse, than Barkley's… 

[DH1988 1,348]

1 hour ago, Blues Forever said:

Winning Serie A and Coppa Italia should be easy task for them. I don't see Chiesa leaving Juve any time soon.

Really? Like I said, time will tell, but from what I've seen so far, they've been awful. Of course form is temporary, but still, I don't see on their team anything massively special, apart from Chiesa.

[DH1988 1,348]

5 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I wonder how came Drinkwater found his place and Barkley was left behind? I guess DD's salary is higher and footballing quality bit worse, than Barkley's… 

Only himself to blame to be honest, such a talent pissed away, typical young British player.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

14 minutes ago, DH1988 said:

Really? Like I said, time will tell, but from what I've seen so far, they've been awful. Of course form is temporary, but still, I don't see on their team anything massively special, apart from Chiesa.

They have been awful because mismanagement from Paratici, Nedved, and Agnelli. Sacked Allegri in the first place without proper replacement was already bad move.

[Jype 6,398]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Overall balance		+£1.88m
Income	21	£97.60m
Expenditure	20	£95.72m

We didn't get Kounde, but we as fans and especially the club should be very happy how this summer panned out. 

That transfer income figure is not even close to being true, which makes it all the more impressive. I've seen the wrong figures reported on pretty much every media out there, which is just lazy from the journalists. 

I believe they're checking the numbers from Transfermarkt, but for some reason that site has listed notable sales like Guehi, Livramento, Ugbo under Chelsea U23 and not Chelsea FC.

• Abraham €40M
• Zouma €35M
• Tomori €29.2M
• Guehi €23.3M
• Zappacosta €9M
• Livramento €5.9M
• Moses €5M
• Bate €1.75M
• Simeu €1.75M
• Peart-Harris €1.5M
• Ekwah €1.4M
• Giroud €1M

All that adds up to €155M which in pounds is around £133M. Only incomings were Lukaku at £97.5M and Saul for a £4M loan fee, so overall it's more than £30M in profit for the window, which is a huge difference to the figures listed on most media outlets. And that's only for permanent transfer and not including any loan fees received by the club, which surely amount to millions of pounds as well (Bakayoko alone was around 2M).

[Simon1991 233]

5 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

 

We might have dodged a huge bullet here, apart from his diminutive stature he has other red flags which i would have loathed to see at the club, so I can't

Such as? I'll wait for your answer, but my first impression is that you're just blowing hot air.

[Muzchap 8,966]

1 hour ago, Vegetable said:

I wonder how came Drinkwater found his place and Barkley was left behind? I guess DD's salary is higher and footballing quality bit worse, than Barkley's… 

Injuries probably- Barkley always seems to play OK then get injured.

[Muzchap 8,966]

11 minutes ago, Simon1991 said:

Such as? I'll wait for your answer, but my first impression is that you're just blowing hot air.

He said it a few posts up.

But the main problem with Kounde is not even his height and built but his swashbuckling attitude, risky dribblings around the own penalty box and through midfield, lapses of concentration and stupid errors. He simply does not have the right mindset for a CB IMO.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

Just take a look at Dave's performance against Liverpool. Had Mane in his pocket and beat him to every ball. 

Could Kounde provide us that same defensive awareness? 

[DDA 9,941]

Kounde is a real talent and for people to dismiss him because of his height is weird.

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

James should be happy with our failed attempts to sign Hakimi/Kounde. But this is massive season for him.

Started well apart from red card.  

Last season 1g 2a

This season already the same. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

14 minutes ago, DDA said:

Kounde is a real talent and for people to dismiss him because of his height is weird.

Not arsed about his height. Dave made up for it with his defensive awareness. 

I want to know how Kounde is on that regard. 

[Simon1991 233]

13 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

He said it a few posts up.

But the main problem with Kounde is not even his height and built but his swashbuckling attitude, risky dribblings around the own penalty box and through midfield, lapses of concentration and stupid errors. He simply does not have the right mindset for a CB IMO.

 

@Magic Lamps, care to illustrate or give examples? 

And just NO, you can't praise a CB for being progressive with his runs and passing while at the same time blame him if a pass is intercepted or if he looses it, you can't have it both ways.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

24 minutes ago, Simon1991 said:

 

@Magic Lamps, care to illustrate or give examples? 

And just NO, you can't praise a CB for being progressive with his runs and passing while at the same time blame him if a pass is intercepted or if he looses it, you can't have it both ways.

I never said I want a CB with progressive runs. There are CBs who are comfortable on the ball and there are CBS like formerly David Luiz and now mini-Luiz aka Kounde who think they are too talented to play like as such and engage in stupid dribblings and lose the ball. Even if his dribbligs are successful he usually tends to stay on the ball too long like willian or barkley until after the moment to make any progress is gone.

For the errors, just check the whoscored statistics for Konde, he is regulalry in the top places for errors leading to goals. It was particulalry pronounced during his time in bordeaux and he still has not ironed it out.

Also i watched Sevilla's games vs Barca and Real last season and he repeatedly tried breaking thei opposition's first line with dribbling and lost the ball leading to chances against Sevilla.

the most ridiculous defensive action of his will probably always be when he sat down on the ball on his own goalline for like 7 seconds vs Atletico Never seen a defender do something as stupid.

[Simon1991 233]

30 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I never said I want a CB with progressive runs. There are CBs who are comfortable on the ball and there are CBS like formerly David Luiz and now mini-Luiz aka Kounde who think they are too talented to play like as such and engage in stupid dribblings and lose the ball. Even if his dribbligs are successful he usually tends to stay on the ball too long like willian or barkley until after the moment to make any progress is gone.

For the errors, just check the whoscored statistics for Konde, he is regulalry in the top places for errors leading to goals. It was particulalry pronounced during his time in bordeaux and he still has not ironed it out.

Also i watched Sevilla's games vs Barca and Real last season and he repeatedly tried breaking thei opposition's first line with dribbling and lost the ball leading to chances against Sevilla.

the most ridiculous defensive action of his will probably always be when he sat down on the ball on his own goalline for like 7 seconds vs Atletico Never seen a defender do something as stupid.

You did not say that yourself, but fair to assume this is something the club values and one of the reasons we're after him. I tried to look for that stat on whoscored but could not find it, do you have a link you could share?

When he was playing at Bordeaux, he was what, 19/20? A defender is never a finished product at that age and mistakes happen. Azpi, TS, AC, they all made mistakes at some point and that does make them bad defenders automatically. I have not watched those games against Barca and Real so i don't know. Maybe he just had bad games and the few games you've seen of him did not put him in a good light. Who knows.

I'll be honest i have not seen him enough to have a clear opinion of him.

What baffles me though is that a few fans who have in all likelihood seen a maximum of 5 games draw definite conclusions on his level and whether he is good enough for Chelsea, especially when the main argument is that he's a dwarf when it's clear that the person issuing that judgment has a personal and footballing fixation on height. He has great vertical leap from what i can see and statistically wins a lot of aerial duels. He is also built as a tank so i am unsure why his height worries some of our fan base.

I will definitely put a lot more faith in Man City and Chelsea recruitment teams than the opinion of a few fans who are quick to pretend they know all about a player (not aiming at you, more of a general observation). The fact that Sevilla rejected close to 55M for him is telling also. They get to see him firsthand, so trust me if he was a bad player he'd be sealed and delivered for much less than 55 bricks.