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Superblue 6,372 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 26 minutes ago, Tomo said: City wasted countless chances in their first season under Pep yet without a significant attacking signing that summer (bar Bernardo who was a squad player that campaign) they quickly reverted to the mean and romped to the league with a 20 plus point improvement. There's a reason XG/XP is a big thing these days because it gives people an idea on where things are going with certain teams, to use an example on the other end of the scale to us last season Arsenal were creating fuck all in Emery's full season but Auba was finishing almost every chance, people thought they would be all right as he would keep scoring, he did but they still dived down the league. I believe in a similar way we will revert to the mean like those examples above, getting an out and out striker takes one player away from the build up and may end up being counter productive even if they offer good numbers. We may end up going too far the other way and be relying on that one player to keep taking all their chances. I can easily see that being the case with Lukaku and I just can't ignore the fact BVB have got worse since Haaland has arrived despite his unbelievable numbers. If we really want to test the waters for a marquee player Sancho or if we are really bold Mbappe (Tuchel here, sort of Chelsea fan and Drogba's friend may give us a small chance especially with the Spanish pair heading into transition), I really worry signing a fox in the box would set back what we are trying to build, even one as good as Haaland. This is one of these opinions that will make me look like a genius or a complete idiot a couple of years from now but yeah. It's an incredibly difficult position the club is actually in. The 'easy assumption' is to just buy a striker that can finish these chances but if we introduce a striker who cannot offer much in the build up, will that then reduce our chances created, and thus potentially put us in a no different position to before. How many of those chances were created by Werner's movement and pace which could be a completely different skillset to someone else we buy. On the flipside however I do think we're talking one of the best players of this coming generation and we may not get a better opportunity to buy him, just like Havertz last summer. He could indeed be the missing piece of the puzzle and mix perfectly with the attacking players we have and score 20+ goals a season for the next few years. What I do hope is if it's not one of the very top strikers (Haaland, Mbappe, Kane), it won't just end up being anything for the sake of it. I'd rather in that situation we use our budget for other areas of the squad and re-assess again next summer when potentially Haaland and Mbappe both may be options on the market. Tomo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 38 minutes ago, Tomo said: City wasted countless chances in their first season under Pep yet without a significant attacking signing that summer (bar Bernardo who was a squad player that campaign) they quickly reverted to the mean and romped to the league with a 20 plus point improvement. There's a reason XG/XP is a big thing these days because it gives people an idea on where things are going with certain teams, to use an example on the other end of the scale to us last season Arsenal were creating fuck all in Emery's full season but Auba was finishing almost every chance, people thought they would be all right as he would keep scoring, he did but they still dived down the league. I believe in a similar way we will revert to the mean like those examples above, getting an out and out striker takes one player away from the build up and may end up being counter productive even if they offer good numbers. We may end up going too far the other way and be relying on that one player to keep taking all their chances. I can easily see that being the case with Lukaku and I just can't ignore the fact BVB have got worse since Haaland has arrived despite his unbelievable numbers. If we really want to test the waters for a marquee player Sancho or if we are really bold Mbappe (Tuchel here, sort of Chelsea fan and Drogba's friend may give us a small chance especially with the Spanish pair heading into transition), I really worry signing a fox in the box would set back what we are trying to build, even one as good as Haaland. This is one of these opinions that will make me look like a genius or a complete idiot a couple of years from now but yeah. I guess this kinda illustrates your point...? Tomo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,393 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) The transfer fee, wages and agent fees would be more than €400million in total. Edited June 9, 2021 by milka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1988 1,348 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 150m euros in transfer fee, I feel is doable, perhaps whether Tammy is taken into account in terms of lowering the cash amount or the amount of sales we will make this summer. the part that concerns me and always has, is the wages, like I said previously I back Marina, if there is a feasible way to do it and structure it, then she will. Mino will be pushing for a sale this summer as it means a more hefty payout for him and our pull has never been stronger/won’t be for a while, considering we are UCL winners, circa 2012/Hazardgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,336 Posted June 9, 2021 Author Share Posted June 9, 2021 Havertz had 135 pages in transfer thread. I can see this going over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, DH1988 said: Mino will be pushing for a sale this summer as it means a more hefty payout for him You mean the agent fee or something else? If it's the agent fee, then next summer would be better because clubs would be paying less for the transfer fee, meaning they can afford to throw more money into the agent fee, signing-on fee etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Havertz had 135 pages in transfer thread. I can see this going over... Try beating the overall thread that is Fernando Torres! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1988 1,348 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, Jas said: You mean the agent fee or something else? If it's the agent fee, then next summer would be better because clubs would be paying less for the transfer fee, meaning they can afford to throw more money into the agent fee, signing-on fee etc. Isn’t it pre-determined as a % of the total transfer fee? Going on the assumption, rather than itk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, DH1988 said: Isn’t it pre-determined as a % of the total transfer fee? Going on the assumption, rather than itk. Pretty sure it isn't. He described it as "fake" but there were reports previously that Raiola wants €20 million in agent fees. And I believe paying Haaland's dad the agent fees would also have to be part of the cost/deal. DH1988 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 €400 million 😆 This is never going to happen if that is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 hace 3 horas, DDA dijo: € 400 million 😆 This is never going to happen if that is true. I don’t even get where this €400m is coming from in all honesty. I mean fee to Dortmund is likely €150-170m on top of agent fees and sign on fees. Will be around €200m minimum probably. Unless folk are including his wages but why only do this for Haaland? I mean when we signed player X, Y, Z, nobody ever went its going to cost €30m/whatever transfer fee plus the agent/sign on bonus on top of however many years worth of wages over whatever period. Just seems like a number someone with too much time has plucked out of thin air! I know they’ve said about wage structure but did we not just give Timo Werner a £275,000 a week 5 year deal last season? Haalands agent wants what £300,000 or around there per week for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 48 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: I don’t even get where this €400m is coming from in all honesty. I mean fee to Dortmund is likely €150-170m on top of agent fees and sign on fees. Will be around €200m minimum probably. Unless folk are including his wages but why only do this for Haaland? I mean when we signed player X, Y, Z, nobody ever went its going to cost €30m/whatever transfer fee plus the agent/sign on bonus on top of however many years worth of wages over whatever period. Think people include all the costs because this is one BIG money transfer, just like you see all the costs floating around when Juventus signed Ronaldo. But whatever it is, be it 200, 300, 400 million, this will be an unprecedented transfer in football and especially for the club. If we want to get him, we would have fork an amount never done before by the club/Roman. 54 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Just seems like a number someone with too much time has plucked out of thin air! I know they’ve said about wage structure but did we not just give Timo Werner a £275,000 a week 5 year deal last season? Haalands agent wants what £300,000 or around there per week for him? Depend on what source you want to believe, Werner earns slightly less than 200k but with yearly increase (no clue by how much) in wages. All the stories are saying that if we want to sign Haaland, we would also have to blow our wage structure to get him and that suggests it would be way more than 300k (which is what Kante is earning right now, being our highest earner). You're probably gonna type an essay-esque reply back but just saying what it's out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 At some point there has to be a cap of reason to what a footballer can actually cost. Given he should be expected to at least bring the kind of money in he costs, for an enterprise with roughly half a bn turnover justifying the acquisition of an asset that costs almost as much while income sources are mostly not scalable and already mainly exploited is a huge stretch. Especially if it just one out of dozens of assets it has to maintain in order to be operational. So in a best case scenario by how much is Haaland gonna increase our cashflow if he wins us PL and CL every year? I would expect us to finish top 4 and round of last 8 CL every season. Then maybe 30,40m extra by Haaland at best. Sponsors and kit sales 10-15m. So we would break even in about 8-9 years maybe we could move him on to Real for a decent price then it might end up a good deal. But this scenario is highly ficticous. So I estimate the probability this ends up a bad deal is significantly higher. BlueGuy, Vybz Kartel and Fernando 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 hace 22 minutos, Jas dijo: Think people include all the costs because this is one BIG money transfer, just like you see all the costs floating around when Juventus signed Ronaldo. But whatever it is, be it 200, 300, 400 million, this will be an unprecedented transfer in football and especially for the club. If we want to get him, we would have fork an amount never done before by the club/Roman. Depend on what source you want to believe, Werner earns slightly less than 200k but with yearly increase (no clue by how much) in wages. All the stories are saying that if we want to sign Haaland, we would also have to blow our wage structure to get him and that suggests it would be way more than 300k (which is what Kante is earning right now, being our highest earner). You're probably gonna type an essay-esque reply back but just saying what it's out there... I dont get the first source though. I mean what are they basing this assumption off of? No way on top of the fee which will be 150-170 maximum, commission fees, player wages over a 5 year contract and agents fees it will reach 400m surely? If he is wanting 300/350k like reported thats 15.6/18.2m per year over say 5 years thats 78/91m. So say that goes from the 170m fee to 248/261m including wages over 5 years. So where is this other 160/140m coming from 😂? Its just absolute nonsense. Aye the agent is a greedy prick but the numbers dont add up to make 400m in any circumstances. The 300/350k p/w demands are only rumours and their not even after tax either so whilst it will again cause issues with wage structure its not catastrophic ie signing Ronaldo/Messi on 500k + a week. Plus the wages aren’t paid all upfront so why people are getting hung up in including these in a deals total cost is bizarre unless its the new norm for every transfer now but its not and never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chippy 342 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Maradona doubled the attendances at Napoli and took them from a mid table team to the league title. That is proper superstar stuff and when a player is worth the mega money! I fail to see how we would ever get value for money signing a player like Haaland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,336 Posted June 9, 2021 Author Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, chippy said: took them from a mid table team to the league title. Conte also did this. And Tuchel in some way. From 9th to 2nd in the league and CL title. Supermonkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Conte also did this. And Tuchel in some way. From 9th to 2nd in the league and CL title. Maradona took the equivalent of a Everton/West Ham/Leeds/Newcastle to a league title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,393 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) I don't know how much it is legit £155m holly shit Edited June 9, 2021 by milka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, milka said: I don't know how much it is legit £155m holly shit Marca? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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