Erling Haaland

[NikkiCFC 7,563]

3 hours ago, R2D2 said:

Forget all other positions CB, RWB or CM, get him at all costs, we can cope another year without any reinforcements in those positions but Haaland chance is only once in a lifetime.

The thing is we can pretty much still do that even with buying Haaland. 150m is our transfer budget and that is it. I think people are giving too much thoughts into this. Haaland coming here is basically far as Roman telling: lets do this or not. Now without FFP we can pretty much do whatever we want.

We need serviceable squad player for CB, someone to replace Zouma but with ball playing ability. For example Romagnoli has one year left on contract and is not regular anymore so Tomori-Romagnoli swap should do it. And we can add Giroud. Varane also one year left on contract, should not be that expensive. Not to mention guys like Sule or Ginter who are 30m max.

If we are after MF all other sales can cover that buy.

Players we have can continue on RWB or we can change formation and we dont need one. 

[chippy 342]

There's also other factors that would make this a bad move.

The pressure on TT to win the league would be enormous. Basically, it would be a  'win it, or else' level of demand.

Way higher level of expectations on all the players.

Unprecedented level of expectation on one particular player. Just imagine the media frenzy if he failed to score in his first couple of games. There'd be radio phone-ins  just on Haaland. 

Being Champs of Europe + Haaland will get every other team extra fired up when they play us.

It could very quickly turn into a bit of a circus and end up  rather messy.

 

 

 

[Jase 43,479]

9 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Now without FFP we can pretty much do whatever we want.

The FFP isn't relaxed to give clubs a free reign in the transfer market...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/18/uefa-agree-to-suspend-financial-fair-play-rules-due-to-pandemic

Otherwise, more clubs would have just gone BRR with it...

[King Kante 1,290]

7 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

The thing is we can pretty much still do that even with buying Haaland. 150m is our transfer budget and that is it. I think people are giving too much thoughts into this. Haaland coming here is basically far as Roman telling: lets do this or not. Now without FFP we can pretty much do whatever we want.

We need serviceable squad player for CB, someone to replace Zouma but with ball playing ability. For example Romagnoli has one year left on contract and is not regular anymore so Tomori-Romagnoli swap should do it. And we can add Giroud. Varane also one year left on contract, should not be that expensive. Not to mention guys like Sule or Ginter who are 30m max.

If we are after MF all other sales can cover that buy.

Players we have can continue on RWB or we can change formation and we dont need one. 

With the CL win and all the extra commercial/prize money, I think we're ok buying Håland if it is £120m-£130m.) As for CB/CM/RWB, I am not sure all of those are needed or cannot be covered by players on loan (CB - Guehi/Ampadu / RWB - Zappa (he actually played really well towards the end of last season.) 

Also, we have a few players that should raise some dollar without it being too unlikely: 

Zouma - £30m+

Tomori - £25m

Tammy - £35m+

Emerson - £10m (if the club are realistic with the price and not asking for £18m+ as reported.) 

Moses - £4m

Ugbo - £4m

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, King Kante said:

Also, we have a few players that should raise some dollar without it being too unlikely: 

Zouma - £30m+

Tomori - £25m

Tammy - £35m+

Emerson - £10m (if the club are realistic with the price and not asking for £18m+ as reported.) 

Moses - £4m

Ugbo - £4m

Moses and Tomori are gone but aside from those, we still need to actually sell those players. Right now, it's all just talk of prices and no one seems to be making any move.

[R2D2 368]

I don't know what's up with this Dortmund said Haaland is not for sale and won't sold for any price, they said the exact same thing with Dembele and the moment Barca came up with a massive offer a few weeks later, he was gone.

Edited June 8, 2021 by R2D2

[King Kante 1,290]

16 minutes ago, Jas said:

Moses and Tomori are gone but aside from those, we still need to actually sell those players. Right now, it's all just talk of prices and no one seems to be making any move.

To be fair, the window has only just opened. It will take for a few transfers to happen to grease the wheels. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

I don't know what's up with this Dortmund said Haaland is not for sale and won't sold for any price, they said the exact same thing with Dembele and the moment Barca came up with a massive offer a few weeks later, he was gone.

I don't remember what Dortmund said exactly back then but you left out a key part here - Dembele went AWOL, boycotted training etc to force the move.

[King Kante 1,290]

9 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

I don't know what's up with this Dortmund said Haaland is not for sale and won't sold for any price, they said the exact same thing with Dembele and the moment Barca came up with a massive offer a few weeks later, he was gone.

Yeah, but they also said Lewa and Sancho weren't for sale and neither moved. Tbh, I think Håland will have to kick up a bit of a fuss to get a move, as I thibk Dembele really pushed for that Barca move. 

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, King Kante said:

To be fair, the window has only just opened. It will take for a few transfers to happen to grease the wheels. 

Still. A major reason why we went bonkers with the spending last summer because we already got the money from the sales of Hazard and Morata in the bag. 

We haven't heard many, if any, rumors about the others so far. So god knows if there's any interest or not.

[R2D2 368]

3 minutes ago, Jas said:

I don't remember what Dortmund said exactly back then but you left out a key part here - Dembele went AWOL, boycotted training etc to force the move.

Ok they said the same thing with Mkhitaryan they said he won't be sold and after got sold same summer, just face it mate if an 150 mil offer comes in there is almost no way any sane club refuses it, if you read through the Dortmund forum all are in agreement that if a 150 mil offer comes in he will be sold for certain.

Edited June 8, 2021 by R2D2

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, R2D2 said:

Ok they said the same thing with Mkhitaryan they said he won't be sold and after got sold same summer, just face it mate if an 150 mil offers comes in there is almost no way any sane club refuses it, if you read through the Dortmund forum all are in agreement that if a 150 mil offer comes in he will be sold for certain.

Did they say that with Mkhitaryan? The difference is he had only a year left on his contract then, which forced Dortmund to sell him as Watzke later admitted - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36693832.

But on the flip side, there are examples where Dortmund stood their ground with Sancho and Lewandowski. 

And what does fans' views have anything to do with this?

[Pizy 17,860]

26 minutes ago, chippy said:

There's also other factors that would make this a bad move.

The pressure on TT to win the league would be enormous. Basically, it would be a  'win it, or else' level of demand.

Way higher level of expectations on all the players.

Unprecedented level of expectation on one particular player. Just imagine the media frenzy if he failed to score in his first couple of games. There'd be radio phone-ins  just on Haaland. 

Being Champs of Europe + Haaland will get every other team extra fired up when they play us.

It could very quickly turn into a bit of a circus and end up  rather messy.

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe in years past this all would be true. But everyone expects our rivals to go big in the market too. City and United will both easily spend £150m. We may be considered favorites by many if we sign Haaland but as long as this City team is here there’s no way anyone can call it “title or bust” for us. Likewise if Liverpool have their CB’s fit. These are sides that are capable of getting 90+ points as they’ve shown.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

Maybe in years past this all would be true. But everyone expects our rivals to go big in the market too. City and United will both easily spend £150m. We may be considered favorites by many if we sign Haaland but as long as this City team is here there’s no way anyone can call it “title or bust” for us. Likewise if Liverpool have their CB’s fit. These are sides that are capable of getting 90+ points as they’ve shown.

You think Roman and the board really care what the others do? With that kind of money being spent, they would expect a proper ROI back - e.g. winning the league title. After all, you have people saying Haaland is the missing piece, the difference between us winning the league and not...

[R2D2 368]

Just now, Jas said:

Did they say that with Mkhitaryan? The difference is he had only a year left on his contract then, which forced Dortmund to sell him as Watzke later admitted - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36693832.

But on the flip side, there are examples where Dortmund stood their ground with Sancho and Lewandowski. 

And what does fans' views have anything to do with this?

That was never the case for Sancho, United simply refused to pay the price needed otherwise would've left last year. Lewa its true but they had offers of 20-30 mil for him and in the end took the loss, here the loss could be close to 100 mil, isn't not even close in terms to that of Lewa, no way they shitting 100 mil away just for another season of Haaland, as a matter of fact without Sancho they likely wouldn't even had qualified for CL, they can take the 150 mil and even make CL next season without him, or lose him next season for 70 mil and possibly even miss out on CL.

Of course fans views are important they know the Dortmund board better than we do, if most of them believe he will leave if a massive offer comes in means they are well aware how their board operate or handle it.

[NikkiCFC 7,563]

 

[Jase 43,479]

9 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

That was never the case for Sancho, United simply refused to pay the price needed otherwise would've left last year. Lewa its true but they had offers of 20-30 mil for him and in the end took the loss, here the loss could be close to 100 mil, isn't not even close in terms to that of Lewa, no way they shitting 100 mil away just for another season of Haaland, as a matter of fact without Sancho they likely wouldn't even had qualified for CL, they can take the 150 mil and even make CL next season without him, or lose him next season for 70 mil and possibly even miss out on CL.

Am sure they would have thought all of that before coming out to insist they won't sell Haaland this summer. If they are open to do so this year, they would have set a price with him like they did with Sancho but all their stance up till now is "he's not for sale". As I said earlier, we would have to make a batshit crazy offer for them to maybe consider it. 

9 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

Of course fans views are important they know the Dortmund board better than we do, if most of them believe he will leave if a massive offer comes in means they are well aware how their board operate or handle it.

Just because they know better doesn't mean anything. They don't control what their board do, just like we here on TC or any other fans on other forums.

I know you are VERY desperate for us to buy Haaland but chill.....

[Pizy 17,860]

8 minutes ago, Jas said:

You think Roman and the board really care what the others do? With that kind of money being spent, they would expect a proper ROI back - e.g. winning the league title. After all, you have people saying Haaland is the missing piece, the difference between us winning the league and not...

Of course Roman will expect a title. But if we have a great season, take a big step up, but fall a few points short to a brilliant City/Liverpool/United side who all also invested heavily I don’t think it should be considered an abject failure or disaster.

Failure would be buying Haaland and others and having a PL season like we’ve just had i.e flailing around for 4th until the last day.

Next seasons goal for me personally is to completely bridge the gap between us and City. To maybe be in a title race similar to the one they had with Liverpool a couple of years ago where it looked like either could win it.