The Tuchel Thread

[Clockwork 1,794]

26 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Like a deep rooted curse. 

Sarri was building that, we improved by the end of the year. He just needed better FB than Azpi and Alonso. 

We are losing to Leeds and Southampton, can’t convince me that is okay with the players we have. 

[Gundalf 804]

8 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Sarri was building that, we improved by the end of the year. He just needed better FB than Azpi and Alonso. 

We are losing to Leeds and Southampton, can’t convince me that is okay with the players we have. 

Its a Chelsea thing. We turn to shit after a great success all the time, until the manager gets fired. 

We were PL champions 2015, we were shit 2016.

We were PL champions 2017, we were shit 2018.

We won the CL 2021, we are shit since then. 

Its a Chelsea thing. 

Edited August 31, 2022 by Gundalf

[Blue Armour 4,312]

2 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

Its a Chelsea thing. We turn to shit after a great success all the time, until the manager gets fired. 

We were PL champions 2015, we were shit 2016.

We were PL champions 2017, we were shit 2018.

We won the CL 2021, we are shit since then. 

Its a Chelsea thing. 

We also won 2 1 despite being a man down and then go on to lose the next game to mediocre opponents. Chelsea thing.

[Gundalf 804]

2 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

We also won 2 1 despite being a man down and then go on to lose the next game to mediocre opponents. Chelsea thing.

It was a lucky win tho against a struggling side. 

[Blues11 213]

57 minutes ago, didi007 said:

All your attacking players want to leave or have left. Werner, Lukaku, CHO, Ziyech etc. We all thought Lukaku was the problem. He had his faults but not fully to blame...

I never fully blamed any certain attacking player. I didn't think Lukaku was a good signing but he definitely wasn't the only issue.

How Tuchel has not addressed the midfield and realized we're so easy to play against is beyond me. 

He's literally a walking excuse machine since last season. 

I remember when TT was hired he was quoted saying he wanted to build a team no one would want to play against. That was probably true before we became the most predictable team to line up against....

Now it seems like we're building a team that doesn't want to play for him. 

Edited August 31, 2022 by Blues11

[blahblahblah 73]

I have wanted TT out and made my point about it long back (and was rudely ridiculed by some to the point of being called a "whiny bitch"). 

Problem with so many of us NOW wanting TT out is that it seems like a knee jerk to a couple of losses. 

If we want to sack TT, it should be because of the fact that he shows no improvement of the squad, attack, tactics. 

The squad we had last season (including Lukaku), was a great one. A couple of additions to that squad in the mid and better back up wing backs, and we should have been good to go. Instead TT has made us a massive cluster fuck. 

[OneMoSalah 8,785]

2 hours ago, blahblahblah said:

I have wanted TT out and made my point about it long back (and was rudely ridiculed by some to the point of being called a "whiny bitch"). 

Problem with so many of us NOW wanting TT out is that it seems like a knee jerk to a couple of losses. 

If we want to sack TT, it should be because of the fact that he shows no improvement of the squad, attack, tactics. 

The squad we had last season (including Lukaku), was a great one. A couple of additions to that squad in the mid and better back up wing backs, and we should have been good to go. Instead TT has made us a massive cluster fuck. 

On paper maybe. But even then, debatable. Not even just debatable. It was a good squad.

I mean footballer isn’t won on paper - all the attackers and their inconsistencies, the lack of quality back up wing backs and to Kante. Likes of mediocrity of guys like Saul, Loftus-Cheek, Sarr, Barkley in it. “A great squad” … If thats a great squad then how do you describe City and Liverpools?

Or are you going to try and say that Tuchel is the reason Havertz, Werner, Ziyech, Pulisic all cant deliver consistently, despite the fact they didn't really do much consistently under Frank either? Or that TT is the reason RLC hasn’t done anything since barring a 3 month period under Sarri?

On a different note I think TT’s comments calling the team soft has hit the nail on the head. No point just pointing out the midfield being soft. The whole team is front to back. We’ve been soft for fucking years, I mean when we finally look like we are getting somewhere (ie we win a trophy/league/whatever) we seem to just fall away and its either the managers fault/lack of transfers (which maybe they shoulder some blame in some aspects) but players being weak mentally or getting carried away with winning one trophy definitely is a contribution too.

[blahblahblah 73]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

On paper maybe. But even then, debatable. Not even just debatable. It was a good squad.

I mean footballer isn’t won on paper - all the attackers and their inconsistencies, the lack of quality back up wing backs and to Kante. Likes of mediocrity of guys like Saul, Loftus-Cheek, Sarr, Barkley in it. “A great squad” … If thats a great squad then how do you describe City and Liverpools?

Or are you going to try and say that Tuchel is the reason Havertz, Werner, Ziyech, Pulisic all cant deliver consistently, despite the fact they didn't really do much consistently under Frank either? Or that TT is the reason RLC hasn’t done anything since barring a 3 month period under Sarri?

On a different note I think TT’s comments calling the team soft has hit the nail on the head. No point just pointing out the midfield being soft. The whole team is front to back. We’ve been soft for fucking years, I mean when we finally look like we are getting somewhere (ie we win a trophy/league/whatever) we seem to just fall away and its either the managers fault/lack of transfers (which maybe they shoulder some blame in some aspects) but players being weak mentally or getting carried away with winning one trophy definitely is a contribution too.

"Good squad".

Problem is that we have made narratives to suit our arguments and have gone ahead with it, to the point of rewriting history.

Go back exactly a year, and our squad was being compared to Liverpool and city. We were supposed to be challenging for the title. Just because we have severely underachieved, it does not change how good the squad was considered. 

And you talk about the players during Lampard's 4 months (Kai, Werner, ziyech specifically), but it was all down to poor management and chemistry. Each of them were balling for their clubs. Werner had scored 30+ goals, Kai had scored 20+, ziyech had balled in cl. 

Also, each squad has their share of Barkleys and rlc etc. You think Liverpool dont with origi, ox, tmikas, Adrian. Even city with ake, zincgenko. Our squad last year was supposed to do massive things. Don't let the players' and manager's under performance fool you otherwise.

[Mário César 997]

like him but he need to go 

[milka 3,356]

 We are just August month and it is already clear that we cannot fight for the title, even in the top four it will be difficult to enter .

Chelsea killed hopes after just 5 games

Depressing .

 

Edited August 31, 2022 by milka

[Mário César 997]

Just now, milka said:

 We are just August month and it is already clear that we cannot fight for the title, even in the top four it will be difficult to enter .

Depressing .

the beginning of new era start in this way

very sad 

[lucio 5,418]

Wasn’t this MF renown for ultra attacking football at Dortmund ? Correct me if I’m wrong 

[Fulham Broadway 16,923]

Quite simple to remedy  -there are no leaders on the pitch, worse their are no fighters. Koulibaly is the ghost of Rudi, Pulisic the ghost of Hazard.... 

[didi007 69]

3 hours ago, blahblahblah said:

"Good squad".

Problem is that we have made narratives to suit our arguments and have gone ahead with it, to the point of rewriting history.

Go back exactly a year, and our squad was being compared to Liverpool and city. We were supposed to be challenging for the title. Just because we have severely underachieved, it does not change how good the squad was considered. 

And you talk about the players during Lampard's 4 months (Kai, Werner, ziyech specifically), but it was all down to poor management and chemistry. Each of them were balling for their clubs. Werner had scored 30+ goals, Kai had scored 20+, ziyech had balled in cl. 

Also, each squad has their share of Barkleys and rlc etc. You think Liverpool dont with origi, ox, tmikas, Adrian. Even city with ake, zincgenko. Our squad last year was supposed to do massive things. Don't let the players' and manager's under performance fool you otherwise.

Playing players in their wrong positions and not playing to their strengths is the reason he has to go. We had a strong squad but he never plays to their strengths. Spending £300m on new players will make no difference 

[YorkshireBlue 3,126]

4 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Quite simple to remedy  -there are no leaders on the pitch, worse their are no fighters. Koulibaly is the ghost of Rudi, Pulisic the ghost of Hazard.... 

Give KK a chance rudi was useless when he first joined.

[OneMoSalah 8,785]

13 hours ago, blahblahblah said:

"Good squad".

Problem is that we have made narratives to suit our arguments and have gone ahead with it, to the point of rewriting history.

Go back exactly a year, and our squad was being compared to Liverpool and city. We were supposed to be challenging for the title. Just because we have severely underachieved, it does not change how good the squad was considered. 

And you talk about the players during Lampard's 4 months (Kai, Werner, ziyech specifically), but it was all down to poor management and chemistry. Each of them were balling for their clubs. Werner had scored 30+ goals, Kai had scored 20+, ziyech had balled in cl. 

Also, each squad has their share of Barkleys and rlc etc. You think Liverpool dont with origi, ox, tmikas, Adrian. Even city with ake, zincgenko. Our squad last year was supposed to do massive things. Don't let the players' and manager's under performance fool you otherwise.

Being compared and being the same are two different things mate. Look at PSGs squad for example, all those big hitters last year and they couldn’t get a really decent team out of them. Also, people in the media thought Man United could be competing for the title after signing Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho months after Ole had them 2nd.

The difference with guys like Origi, AOC, Ake, Zinchenko, Tmikias, compared to Saul, RLC, Alonso and Barkley are they are actually decent enough players and have secured/will secure good moves if they leave/were to leave. RLC and Ross wouldn’t (hence why hes off on a free and only partial link for RLC is Lazio due to lazy Sarri link from that 2 month purple patch he had here) and well Sauls back at Atletico and Alonso is only linked to Barca as a back up. 

Zinchenko has already shown he is actually a pretty good player at Arsenal and even at City at times last year. Just needed regular games. Origi didn't go to AC Milan, Serie A champions, who already have Ibra and Giroud for nothing. Ake wasn't linked/almost sign here for nothing. They're good players (although Ake not starting quality for the likes of a City). 

[robsblubot 3,530]

10 hours ago, Kong said:

Give KK a chance rudi was useless when he first joined.

Koulibaly is 33 and moves like Thiago Silva. Simply not comparable with Rudiger imo.

Regarding the quoted post, Eden was never a leader. Quite the opposite -- he was the guy who needed getting dragged to deliver.

[Blue Armour 4,312]

What does everyone here think of Arteta? Almost everyone agreed that his first few seasons sucked..

Now that Arsenal stuck with him and that he's on top of the table, what's your opinion? Is he a superior coach to Tuchel.

Genuinely curious what people think.