The Tuchel Thread

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

He now has a 20k fine for mentioning the Taylor match fixing.

Taylor should never ref a Chelsea game again he cost us 2 FA Cup Finals v Arsenal. He does not get fined but the TT fine goes to the FA to help pay Taylors wages.  Even Jenas ex Spurs said both goals should have struck off.

#still fuming

 

[Vegetable 830]

If we were into going into war with this shit he can as well not pay. What are they gonna do?

Footy has seen such move numerous times.

[Superblue 6,372]

2 hours ago, blahblahblah said:

It depends on what the club are trying to do? We have spent 250m+, infact 300m this window, right? How many windows and seasons do you need to add up to get that total for arsenal?

Not far really, Arsenal have spent nearly £300m themselves across last summer to this summer window.

And people are quick to forget how desperate Arsenal fans were for him to go this time last year, and some of the turgid, defensive football he was serving up for quite a long period of time. 

Credit to them currently, they are looking a much stronger outfit at present but the season has barely started. Let's see what their reaction is when they lose a game because past experience has suggested they don't deal well with knock backs.

I'm not going to sit here and act like I'm not disappointed with how our season has started and I'm furious with the Southampton game but I definitely don't feel like we should be hitting a panic button yet. Half our signings are coming in when the season has already started. I think it just needs the window to close now for us and Tuchel and the squad can just concentrate on playing football.

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

On 31/08/2022 at 01:13, Blue Armour said:

We also won 2 1 despite being a man down and then go on to lose the next game to mediocre opponents. Chelsea thing.

This was the Chelsea when I started supporting them sixty odd years ago.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.🤢

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

It takes a minute to bed in this many players.

[DDA 9,941]

11 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Koulibaly is 33 and moves like Thiago Silva. Simply not comparable with Rudiger imo

KK is 31 ?

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

10 minutes ago, DDA said:

KK is 31 ?

Thank you couldn't bring myself to even respond lmao 

[blahblahblah 73]

4 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Not far really, Arsenal have spent nearly £300m themselves across last summer to this summer window.

And people are quick to forget how desperate Arsenal fans were for him to go this time last year, and some of the turgid, defensive football he was serving up for quite a long period of time. 

Credit to them currently, they are looking a much stronger outfit at present but the season has barely started. Let's see what their reaction is when they lose a game because past experience has suggested they don't deal well with knock backs.

I'm not going to sit here and act like I'm not disappointed with how our season has started and I'm furious with the Southampton game but I definitely don't feel like we should be hitting a panic button yet. Half our signings are coming in when the season has already started. I think it just needs the window to close now for us and Tuchel and the squad can just concentrate on playing football.

Damn. Would never have guessed they spent this much in the last 2 years. 

But i feel the core of the argument does not change. Is TT developing from the youth, hell no. 

Can TT boast a couple of players who have got significantly better under him like saka, martinelli, Smith Rowe? Hell no. 

Has TT's tactics consistently got us some good football? Hell no. 

Leave all of it aside, does TT have a decent enough grip on the problems with the squad? I would have to answer No. We were hardly even rumored with any midfielder, which in itself should be alarm bells. How can a manager of this club think that the current crop of CMs were fine to run it back with, but supposedly wants 5 out 7 of our attackers binned. 

This is NOT panic stations. It's an honest assessment of his time here. The CL win has glossed over a lot, but i feel all the credit he built up with it, has been used one insane decision and mistake after another. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

3 hours ago, DDA said:

KK is 31 ?

thanks stand corrected.

Still he moves like 33+ though... perhaps fitness?

And no, he does not move like Rudiger, which was my main point.

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

3 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

thanks stand corrected.

Still he moves like 33+ though... perhaps fitness?

And no, he does not move like Rudiger, which was my main point.

dear god get a grip man.

give him a chance to adapt.

you've obviously forgot what Rudiger was like when he first came here, he was a loose cannon ffs.

[robsblubot 3,595]

49 minutes ago, bigbluewillie said:

dear god get a grip man.

give him a chance to adapt.

you've obviously forgot what Rudiger was like when he first came here, he was a loose cannon ffs.

What? maybe I'm not making myself clear, it is my opinion after all.

Please don't conflate characteristics and quality. While I don't yet know how much Koulibaly will help, I already know he's no Rudiger in characteristics, as in style of play. He's a far more limited CB even if still a good one.

We are on the Tuchel thread here, and my original point was about how much losing Rudiger, and not getting a player of the same style, would hurt his strategy. I haven't seen enough of Fofana, but perhaps he may be able to fill that void left by Rudiger. That's all there is to it.

Edited September 1, 2022 by robsblubot

[cfccrost 23]

As i recall, when tuchel came our defense in attack was in the opponents half, now it isnt.

We are disjoint and all over the place this season

I think TT wanted al of this player bc he know that the ones he have do not believe in him

We ll see what will happen

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

Any indication he may finally drop 3atb system? I think we finally have players for that. 

[Gundalf 806]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Any indication he may finally drop 3atb system? I think we finally have players for that. 

We played with 4 at the back for 3 ganes now. 

The results havent been overwhelming must be said. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

5 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Any indication he may finally drop 3atb system? I think we finally have players for that. 

Playing a back 4 over the last few weeks has only reinforced that we need to go back to 3 at the back IMO. 

[blahblahblah 73]

29 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Playing a back 4 over the last few weeks has only reinforced that we need to go back to 3 at the back IMO. 

We played a back4 with jorginho in the mid. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

3 hours ago, blahblahblah said:

We played a back4 with jorginho in the mid. 

Jorgi should be better in a back 4. 

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

6 hours ago, Gundalf said:

We played with 4 at the back for 3 ganes now. 

The results havent been overwhelming must be said. 

Yes, but long term. Fofana - KK pairing. Kai AM behind Auba. Zakaria DM. I want to see this. 

[blahblahblah 73]

19 minutes ago, Kong said:

Jorgi should be better in a back 4. 

Nah. When we play 3 ATB, he normally has cover. Moreover, one of the 3 usually make an extra body in the mid specially when off the ball saving him a bit from counters. In a back 4, with the modern FB no different from a WB, he is way too exposed. 

Atleast thats how I see it. 

Anyways, 3 or 4, he is a passenger to have. 

[Blue Armour 4,448]

Now that the transfer window is closed and that he has a more settled squad, hopefully he can concentrate on getting them to play better football with more spirit.

Because it's been mediocre so far.