The Tuchel Thread

[Clockwork 1,794]

7 hours ago, Strike said:

Pep investment first two years - Gundogan, Sane, Stones, Zinchenko, Jesus, Bravo, Nolito, B Silva, Ederson, Walker, Danilo, Mendy, Laporte.

Klopp investment first two years - Wijnaldum, Mane, Matip, Karius, Salah, Robertson, Chamberlain, VVD (in Jan)

Tuchel - Lukaku...

We brought Havertz, Werner, Ziyech, Chilly. Six months before he took over.

[Superblue 6,372]

42 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

We brought Havertz, Werner, Ziyech, Chilly. Six months before he took over.

The point is though he hasn't bought those players. 

They might have freshened up the squad but they're players that the board and/or Lampard have chosen.

Those players Pep and Klopp have bought in within the first 2 years of their reigns are their own players that they've hand picked to help build the squad they want. It's completely different.

[Clockwork 1,794]

32 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

The point is though he hasn't bought those players. 

They might have freshened up the squad but they're players that the board and/or Lampard have chosen.

Those players Pep and Klopp have bought in within the first 2 years of their reigns are their own players that they've hand picked to help build the squad they want. It's completely different.

Tuchel doesn’t have a successful track record of signing players. With Lukaku 0/1 at Chelsea. 

Anyway he is going to get opportunity to make big changes to the squad, players contracts are running out and some players are just not playing at Chelsea quality.

if Alonso and Azpi are here next season playing a lot of football that is on Tuchel, because they should be out of the door if he can’t convince the club that is his fault.

I don’t even know what Tuchel type of players are, outside of CBs he is not getting the best out of anyone at Chelsea.

[Superblue 6,372]

1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

Tuchel doesn’t have a successful track record of signing players. With Lukaku 0/1 at Chelsea. 

Anyway he is going to get opportunity to make big changes to the squad, players contracts are running out and some players are just not playing at Chelsea quality.

if Alonso and Azpi are here next season playing a lot of football that is on Tuchel, because they should be out of the door if he can’t convince the club that is his fault.

I don’t even know what Tuchel type of players are, outside of CBs he is not getting the best out of anyone at Chelsea.

I don't know if we'll ever know the full story regarding Lukaku, maybe when parties are no longer at the club but I'm reluctant to put more than partial blame on Tuchel for that move because I think there were people within the boardroom or scouting department who wanted him more.

PSG similarly, I've no idea the level of influence he had on transfers but I'm pretty sure Leonardo has a greater influence.

Dortmund I agree was hit and miss, but I believe he did oversee them buy Dembele and Isak for reasonable fees which would suggest that he does have an eye for younger talent and to be honest that is rather the route I would see us go down in the future as opposed to buying the ready made product for huge money because we inevitably seem to get that always wrong.

[Clockwork 1,794]

34 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I don't know if we'll ever know the full story regarding Lukaku, maybe when parties are no longer at the club but I'm reluctant to put more than partial blame on Tuchel for that move because I think there were people within the boardroom or scouting department who wanted him more.

PSG similarly, I've no idea the level of influence he had on transfers but I'm pretty sure Leonardo has a greater influence.

Dortmund I agree was hit and miss, but I believe he did oversee them buy Dembele and Isak for reasonable fees which would suggest that he does have an eye for younger talent and to be honest that is rather the route I would see us go down in the future as opposed to buying the ready made product for huge money because we inevitably seem to get that always wrong.

I am hoping Tuchel has a plan and create a team to fit his image and style. But I don’t have the same belief because what I have seen doesn’t suggest that.

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

What is Tuchel's imagine and style?

 

[Clockwork 1,794]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

What is Tuchel's imagine and style?

 

Good question, what is it? For pep and Klopp I know exactly how to answer that question.

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

Good question, what is it? For pep and Klopp I know exactly how to answer that question.

Everything I've heard from Tuchel regarding this slow possession play he seems completely contempt with. We can blame injuries, sanctions, etc, etc, but the main problem for me will always be tactics. 

That being said, Tuchel has deserved and earned time to build his team. 

[DDA 9,691]

3 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Everything I've heard from Tuchel regarding this slow possession play he seems completely contempt with. We can blame injuries, sanctions, etc, etc, but the main problem for me will always be tactics. 

That being said, Tuchel has deserved and earned time to build his team. 

The main problem is we have too many players that unfortunately are very limited in what they can do on the ball and off it. Tuchels hands are pretty juch tied at the moment. Let's see what he does when he has his own influx of players but let's also remember he needs more than one transfer window to do so. 

[Clockwork 1,794]

On 20/05/2022 at 20:55, DDA said:

The main problem is we have too many players that unfortunately are very limited in what they can do on the ball and off it. Tuchels hands are pretty juch tied at the moment. Let's see what he does when he has his own influx of players but let's also remember he needs more than one transfer window to do so. 

There maybe some truth I don’t think he utilizes players to their best.

many are excited about Gallagher but man I fear Tuchel will plug him in his 3-5-2, and that recipe for a disaster and he will perform poorly. That is not Gallagher fault he is just not that type of midfielder. 

[Milan 17,861]

 

[Pizy 18,430]

Pretty much every quote form Tuchel about this summer makes him seem genuinely scared and worried. Hopefully Boehly makes funds available as soon as possible after everything is sorted so we can get a couple of signings in early to ease Tuchel’s concern.

I pray that the football people at the club (be it Marina, Cech, the scouts etc) are ready to hit the ground running immediately.

[Laylabelle 9,387]

3 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Pretty much every quote form Tuchel about this summer makes him seem genuinely scared and worried. Hopefully Boehly makes funds available as soon as possible after everything is sorted so we can get a couple of signings in early to ease Tuchel’s concern.

I pray that the football people at the club (be it Marina, Cech, the scouts etc) are ready to hit the ground running immediately.

Hopefully...no world Cup or anything to distract. Gotta get things done because other teams will definitely strengthen. Cant get left behind. We are way off City and Liverpool level but we need to keep up with others and be there again.

[Magic Lamps 11,677]

Next season will be a write off probably

all interesting players will be signed up by the time we can take action

we should have 0 expectations 

We could use this like 19/20 after hazard left with a transfer ban. just blood in youngsters, try new tactics and give everyone left a fresh start

When you think about it, our current situation is very similar. Some of the most influential players leaving and we effectively have a transfer ban in place

 

[Hashishi 148]

I think Tuchel needs to show some flexibility or gtfo. Sarri came in and tried to implement slow build up and we got completely screwed until now. He needs to show he can use 433 just as well as 343. I don't mind 343 against the bigger teams but we are just missing numbers in attack and in goals against low block teams, which is the same story since lampard took over. 

I really hope we go 433 next season.

[milka 3,356]

 

[Pizy 18,430]

I’m fine sticking with the 3-4-3 again next season if we actually sign a couple of killers to replace Werner/Pulisic/CHO/Lukaku and have suitable backups/alternatives to Reece and Chilly if they get injured again. A club like Chelsea shouldn’t fall off a cliff in quality with injuries to one area of the team like we did when our wingbacks went out.

It’ll be suicidal to enter next season without a massive refresh in the attacking positions. The club cannot possibly be thinking this summer that if we simply replace Rüdiger with Koundé, have Reece & Chilly fit, and recall Gallagher and Broja that we’re competing next season.

We need a radical rebuild in the same way United will have this summer. They’ll likely have 6-8 players going and 6-8 coming in. And that’s exactly what we need. 

Rudiger, AC, Azpi, Alonso, Ziyech, Sarr, Kenedy, Barkley, Werner all need to go. Some like CHO and Lukaku should go but will likely be impossible to move due to their wages. And then one of J5 or Kante should go as well. Likely Jorginho after Tuchel’s comments about Kante the other day.

If we want to challenge the top 2 and make it late into the CL we’ll need 2 new CB’s, 2 new wingbacks, a DM, and 2 attackers of some sort that reliably score goals.

[Clockwork 1,794]

19 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I’m fine sticking with the 3-4-3 again next season if we actually sign a couple of killers to replace Werner/Pulisic/CHO/Lukaku and have suitable backups/alternatives to Reece and Chilly if they get injured again. A club like Chelsea shouldn’t fall off a cliff in quality with injuries to one area of the team like we did when our wingbacks went out.

It’ll be suicidal to enter next season without a massive refresh in the attacking positions. The club cannot possibly be thinking this summer that if we simply replace Rüdiger with Koundé, have Reece & Chilly fit, and recall Gallagher and Broja that we’re competing next season.

We need a radical rebuild in the same way United will have this summer. They’ll likely have 6-8 players going and 6-8 coming in. And that’s exactly what we need. 

Rudiger, AC, Azpi, Alonso, Ziyech, Sarr, Kenedy, Barkley, Werner all need to go. Some like CHO and Lukaku should go but will likely be impossible to move due to their wages. And then one of J5 or Kante should go as well. Likely Jorginho after Tuchel’s comments about Kante the other day.

If we want to challenge the top 2 and make it late into the CL we’ll need 2 new CB’s, 2 new wingbacks, a DM, and 2 attackers of some sort that reliably score goals.

Who is benefiting from the 3-4-3?