The Tuchel Thread

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

1 hour ago, ZaynChelsea said:

What a load of BS. But since you are from America, what do you know about football....I mean Soccer lol

A lot of us played Soccer at a pretty high level in America. Also had our children go on to play at club teams. Even more coach soccer. What an absolutely dumb thing to say.

I don’t share his thoughts on Tuchel, but your assumption that Americans don’t understand soccer is childish.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

2 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

Seriously some of your get a grip, TT in under no threat and has done a great job so far. Stop making a mountain out of a moll and back the dude. We have become so shortsighted and paranoid.

I avoided the Lampard thread because of the behaviour I saw there. Looks like this comment is a lucky choice for my first post to read here because it's big clue about the best way to treat this thread too.

[Atomiswave 6,117]

1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I avoided the Lampard thread because of the behaviour I saw there. Looks like this comment is a lucky choice for my first post to read here because it's big clue about the best way to treat this thread too.

I dont get it, he has been here less than a month ffs......won it all bare 2 draws, dominating the teams for most of the matches. New league new club new players, yet some have the knifes out already.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

Or people are skeptical about this unbeaten run, much like the one we saw under Lampard. We are beating teams we are supposed to beat. Now we have a tough run of games and we are still looking poor in the final third as we ever did. 

I wanted Lampard gone after Arsenal so these comments are hardly coming from the Lampard sympathisers. We need to start seeing the tactical flexibility Tuchel is known for, and now. Atletico, United, Liverpool, Everton, Leeds, and Atletico. It's crunch time and the assuring thing we know about Tuchel is that he has the experience and tactical flexibility to get results. However, I would expect a man that is known for his tactical flexibility to realise you can't play Kurt Fucking Zouma as a fucking sweeper. 

 

Edited February 21, 2021 by MoroccanBlue

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

These recent Lampard Tuchel comparisons and jabs at each other’s opinions make it obvious the discussion board would have been no different than Shed End was had the TalkChelsea been up. I support Chelsea. When Frank was manager I supported him to win games. Now that Tuchel is in charge, I will support him to win games. It doesn't mean either man is above criticism, it also doesn't mean either man needs to be demonized. It was always going to be the case Frank was learning on the job, it didn't happen fast enough. Tuchel is more experienced and it better be obvious that he is. If he cannot take this squad and make top 4, I think he will be gone. It is going to be a bumpy ride to the end of the season. I like what I see so far, but recognize it could go south fast. It is going to be an interesting 2 momths.

[ZaynChelsea 423]

Comparing an amateur like Lampard to a manager like Tuchel is just plain blasphemy.

Tuchel has credentials and experience. Lampard fked  up in every department and people shouldn‘t underestimate the mess he left and we need to clean up now. Players are still getting used to a manager who knows tactics after a long time so it will need time. Heck, Tuchel didn‘t even have a summer yet to impose his style of play.

And even if people believe Lamprd wouldn‘t have done worse (he would have us sitting in the bottom half imo but nvm): the players were fed up with him and couldn‘t wait to see his back. 
 

The loss to Arsenal itself was a sackable offense. Yesterday, I could hear Tuchel shouting in German to Werner telling him he is making the wrong runs. Was very satisfying seeing a coach who is not sitting in his seat with folded hands like a girl on his period. Lampard should fk off to City and work as an assistant. That‘s what he can do. Drogba, Terry...These are the legends of our club. Not the City mercenary who almost destroyed our whole club for years.

 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

52 minutes ago, Mana said:

The wound is still fresh from the Lampard sacking I guess.

I dont give a rats ass Mana, you support the club end of, when its time to go its time to go. TT has come in a league all over the place, we were torrid man and he has done a great job in giving us a fighting chance and the games coming thick and fast, he has to utilize the squad or we wil be dead on our feet.  As soon as we click on the final third we are golden.

[Fulham Broadway 17,332]

1 hour ago, ZaynChelsea said:

Comparing an amateur like Lampard to a manager like Tuchel is just plain blasphemy.

Tuchel has credentials and experience. Lampard fked  up in every department and people shouldn‘t underestimate the mess he left and we need to clean up now. Players are still getting used to a manager who knows tactics after a long time so it will need time. Heck, Tuchel didn‘t even have a summer yet to impose his style of play.

And even if people believe Lamprd wouldn‘t have done worse (he would have us sitting in the bottom half imo but nvm): the players were fed up with him and couldn‘t wait to see his back. 
 

The loss to Arsenal itself was a sackable offense. Yesterday, I could hear Tuchel shouting in German to Werner telling him he is making the wrong runs. Was very satisfying seeing a coach who is not sitting in his seat with folded hands like a girl on his period. Lampard should fk off to City and work as an assistant. That‘s what he can do. Drogba, Terry...These are the legends of our club. Not the City mercenary who almost destroyed our whole club for years.

 

Sorry but that is complete BS. Lampard won Premier League Manager of the Month for October 2019 after we recorded a perfect record in the league for the month. By doing so, he became the third manager to win Premier League Player of the Month and Manager of the Month. He had to go after this season, but have a bit of respect, if you are a Chelsea fan.

Have no doubt the Russian will have your compatriot manager out on his arse  quicker than a gnats fart, if he gets a little losing run together.

[ZaynChelsea 423]

19 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Have no doubt the Russian will have your compatriot manager out on his arse  quicker than a gnats fart, if he gets a little losing run together.

I am sure TT knows that. At least he won‘t be hoping that he got an  unnecessary club legend bonus.

[Fulham Broadway 17,332]

1 minute ago, ZaynChelsea said:

unnecessary club legend

You're talking about a club founded in 1905, and a player who is easily in the top 3 of its greatest employees. 

[ZaynChelsea 423]

2 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

You're talking about a club founded in 1905, and a player who is easily in the top 3 of its greatest employees. 

No player is bigger than the club. I‘d argue Mourinho has been much more important to Chelsea than our club legends. Still, I want Spurs to be eradicated.

[Fulham Broadway 17,332]

15 minutes ago, ZaynChelsea said:

No player is bigger than the club

Overused cliche but is true for every club. I don't think anyone is saying Lampard is bigger than Chelsea FC

17 minutes ago, ZaynChelsea said:

I‘d argue Mourinho has been much more important to Chelsea than our club legends

But without the tools of Lampard, Cech, Drogba, Lampard, we would have been a mediocre outfit. like Sp*rs are now

 

18 minutes ago, ZaynChelsea said:

Still, I want Spurs to be eradicated.

That we can agree on 😃

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

PSG another loss. This will look very bad on them and Pochettino if they don't turn it around. He never won anything but failing to win Ligue1 with PSG would be embarrassing. 

12 games to go, they are 3rd with 4 points of the top. Lyon don't play Europe and Lille will be out in 4 days most likely. 

They can't blame Tuchel that is for sure. 

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

PSG another loss. This will look very bad on them and Pochettino if they don't turn it around. He never won anything but failing to win Ligue1 with PSG would be embarrassing. 

12 games to go, they are 3rd with 4 points of the top. Lyon don't play Europe and Lille will be out in 4 days most likely. 

They can't blame Tuchel that is for sure. 

But doubt they will care IF they win the Champions League. 

[killer1257 3,282]

14 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

PSG another loss. This will look very bad on them and Pochettino if they don't turn it around. He never won anything but failing to win Ligue1 with PSG would be embarrassing. 

12 games to go, they are 3rd with 4 points of the top. Lyon don't play Europe and Lille will be out in 4 days most likely. 

They can't blame Tuchel that is for sure. 

Neymar will be back in two or three weeks. They need him asap, just like Di Maria

[Fernando 6,585]

19 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Or people are skeptical about this unbeaten run, much like the one we saw under Lampard. We are beating teams we are supposed to beat. Now we have a tough run of games and we are still looking poor in the final third as we ever did. 

I wanted Lampard gone after Arsenal so these comments are hardly coming from the Lampard sympathisers. We need to start seeing the tactical flexibility Tuchel is known for, and now. Atletico, United, Liverpool, Everton, Leeds, and Atletico. It's crunch time and the assuring thing we know about Tuchel is that he has the experience and tactical flexibility to get results. However, I would expect a man that is known for his tactical flexibility to realise you can't play Kurt Fucking Zouma as a fucking sweeper. 

 

This, because we also had spelled where we won with Lampard. 

Remember when he first came in after the United game we went on a run. 

Same with Tuchel. I don't see nothing that is amazing so far, seems more of the same that I seen before. Also another manager that blames the players, throws the players under the bus and we seen how well that goes here.....So for me the beginning of the end for Tuchel after that stunt with CHOI

Edited February 22, 2021 by Fernando

[Jase 43,479]

26 minutes ago, Fernando said:

This, because we also had spelled where we won with Lampard. 

Remember when he first came in after the United game we went on a run. 

Same with Tuchel. I don't see nothing that is amazing so far, seems more of the same that I seen before. Also another manager that blames the players, throws the players under the bus and we seen how well that goes here.....So for me the beginning of the end for Tuchel after that stunt with CHOI

I just don't get this at all. I remember you were one of those who kept making excuses for Lampard, even after 18 months in charge, and kept saying he should be given time but you are now expecting Tuchel to complete transform the team and solve every bloody problem with this team in 1 month after coming in midway through a crazy season? How is that even fair or logical?

I don't agree with every decision Tuchel has made so far but there's clearly been some minor improvements on how we play - (1) more variations in our attack than just spamming crosses into the box; the finishing and final ball are still lacking but that's another debate. (2) we're pressing and counter pressing much better as a team instead of players just randomly going around putting pressure, thus also getting caught out less on the counter. (3) better organization on and off the ball. Would be crazy to expect Tuchel to make big changes immediately halfway through the season but he's at least ensured a foundation, the organization is put in place.

Regarding CHO, seriously how we see what will happen in the next few games before proclaiming the end of the world for Tuchel? 🙄

[killer1257 3,282]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

I just don't get this at all. I remember you were one of those who kept making excuses for Lampard, even after 18 months in charge, and kept saying he should be given time but you are now expecting Tuchel to complete transform the team and solve every bloody problem with this team in 1 month after coming in midway through a crazy season? How is that even fair or logical?

I don't agree with every decision Tuchel has made so far but there's clearly been some minor improvements on how we play - (1) more variations in our attack than just spamming crosses into the box; the finishing and final ball are still lacking but that's another debate. (2) we're pressing and counter pressing much better as a team instead of players just randomly going around putting pressure, thus also getting caught out less on the counter. (3) better organization on and off the ball. Would be crazy to expect Tuchel to make big changes immediately halfway through the season but he's at least ensured a foundation, the organization is put in place.

Regarding CHO, seriously how we see what will happen in the next few games before proclaiming the end of the world for Tuchel? 🙄

I think the problem are the expectations. Me personally, I think our squad is average and is nowhere near the level that is needed to compete for titles. The only player I see that is world class is a 37 year old Thiago Silva, who does not even need to be coached to be this good. But some people think we have this amazing squad that should even be able to win the PL title this season. I just don't see the potential in our squad.

So if people actually believe we have an amazing squad, our results and our football quality should improve by having a WC coach. The results are better, yes. Were the opponents good? Not really. Do we play good football? Not really. It is normal that results are better after having a new coach for a period of time. 

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I think the problem are the expectations. Me personally, I think our squad is average and is nowhere near the level that is needed to compete for titles. The only player I see that is world class is a 37 year old Thiago Silva, who does not even need to be coached to be this good. But some people think we have this amazing squad that should even be able to win the PL title this season. I just don't see the potential in our squad.

So if people actually believe we have an amazing squad, our results and our football quality should improve by having a WC coach. The results are better, yes. Were the opponents good? Not really. Do we play good football? Not really. It is normal that results are better after having a new coach for a period of time. 

  

On 21/02/2021 at 00:24, Jason said:

3. I don't think the players we bought last summer are bad. They have their qualities. The problems here are (a) they haven't played long enough together to develop the chemistry/understanding with one another, (b) we do not having a consistent playing style as mentioned above for players to just immediately come in and easily make an impact and (c) none of the players we bought are in their peak and fully established players yet, except maybe Ziyech. All of our academy players are still in their early 20s and so are our recent signings - Havertz, Pulisic, and maybe Werner at a push although he's entering his peak years I guess at 25. Only Ziyech is in his peak age. We have been so used to buying players in their peak, established players in the last decade that this squad development process feels very frustrating and maybe even alien-ish. We are used to seeing players coming in and making instant impact - e.g. Costa and Fabregas. Now, we're having to live through the inconsistency that comes with these younger players and players that's come from different leagues, during a pandemic season no less, while trying to be successful at the same time. 

 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

So for me the beginning of the end for Tuchel after that stunt with CHOI

Ohh ffs mate, are you not sick and tired of player power? When is it the players fault? They are being paid so so well the least they can fucking do is muster the damn instructions and show some passion and hunger. You dont do that you dont get to fucking play.