Kai Havertz

[Rapkun 668]

5 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Mount offers a lot off the ball. 

He certainly does but we've yet to see him play full time in that position. He will have to defend deeper and get at the edge of our box more often. I'm not execting much from Kai defensively if at all.

[MoroccanBlue 5,200]

2 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

But he offers zero creativity and physicality.

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Physicality? I disagree. I specifically remember him mugging off Vertonghen on two occasions in two different matches. He is probably our only youth product that offers this aggression. 

Pulisic, Havertz, Werner, and Ziyech in the side makes it less likely we will rely on Mount to offer any creativity. His job will be like it is now. Build up 

[milka 3,308]

Kai Havertz has decided he wants to be playing his football at #Chelsea next season

https://www.90min.com/posts/kai-havertz-chooses-chelsea-but-move-must-wait-until-europa-league-conclusion?a_aid=41222

 

[Puliiszola 519]

1 hour ago, Mana said:

RLC is having horrid performances this season

[Simon1991 225]

4 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

But he offers zero creativity and physicality.

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Read that a lot lately, about Mount offering no creativity whatsoever (from you and others).

Just curious, where's that coming from? 6 goals 5 assists in the league this season and he has shown that's the kind of numbers he'll get you each season. Did it consistently in the dutch league and the championship, and has transitioned nicely in the PL at Chelsea. 

Leaving the end product aside, i find he has more than decent vision and passing range. Just on the top of my head that pass to Barkley against Watford was decisive, and there's been many more like that.

 

[NikkiCFC 7,595]

2 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Ruben will leave us in winter if Havertz comes, sadly.

We have 7 midfielders now.

Kova, Jorgi, Kante, Gilmour, RLC, Mount and Barkley.

I think Jorginho and Barkley are possible leaving.

Just Havertz in and we are fine with 6 MF in this scenario.

Plus if we sign Rice for CB he can always step up as DM.

 

[killer1257 3,282]

Physicality? I disagree. I specifically remember him mugging off Vertonghen on two occasions in two different matches. He is probably our only youth product that offers this aggression. 
Pulisic, Havertz, Werner, and Ziyech in the side makes it less likely we will rely on Mount to offer any creativity. His job will be like it is now. Build up 

He wins less than 20% headers and with Kante besides him, that would be a huge risk. And only because he won once against Vertonghen does not mean he will win it against the likes of Matic or Pogba on regular basis. This season he plays as a no. 10 most of the times, so he had not have to win tackles against Fabinho, Pogba or Matic etc.

We are not a physical team in the first place and Lampard says that often. Havertz may be tall, but physicality is not his strength

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6 minutes ago, Mana said:

Has there been a solid source of this yet?

Yes kicker is a solid source.

[MoroccanBlue 5,200]

4 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

He wins less than 20% headers and with Kante besides him, that would be a huge risk. And only because he won once against Vertonghen does not mean he will win it against the likes of Matic or Pogba on regular basis. This season he plays as a no. 10 most of the times, so he had not have to win tackles against Fabinho, Pogba or Matic etc.

We are not a physical team in the first place and Lampard says that often. Havertz may be tall, but physicality is not his strength

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You sound like Mourinho 

[killer1257 3,282]

Read that a lot lately, about Mount offering no creativity whatsoever (from you and others).
Just curious, where's that coming from? 6 goals 5 assists in the league this season and he has shown that's the kind of numbers he'll get you each season. Did it consistently in the dutch league and the championship, and has transitioned nicely in the PL at Chelsea. 
Leaving the end product aside, i find he has more than decent vision and passing range. Just on the top of my head that pass to Barkley against Watford was decisive, and there's been many more like that.
 

His goals have nothing to do with creativity.

He has assisted 2 goals from free kicks, one from a corner kick and one from a normal cross. This is not what I call creativity. KDB, Bernardo Silva, David Silva etc. are creative players who do not only do corner kicks or indirect free kicks to get assists. KDB can make crazy through balls etc.
He can create chances for his players.

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[killer1257 3,282]

You sound like Mourinho [emoji38]

Lampard criticised us for lack of physicality recently

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[NikkiCFC 7,595]

9 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Physicality? I disagree. 

Now go watch SU first goal again.

4 minutes ago, Simon1991 said:

Read that a lot lately, about Mount offering no creativity whatsoever (from you and others).

Just curious, where's that coming from? 6 goals 5 assists in the league this season and he has shown that's the kind of numbers he'll get you each season. Did it consistently in the dutch league and the championship, and has transitioned nicely in the PL at Chelsea. 

Leaving the end product aside, i find he has more than decent vision and passing range. Just on the top of my head that pass to Barkley against Watford was decisive, and there's been many more like that.

 

5 assists? One is penalty won against Brighton. (I know, transfermarkt count it as assist).

So he has 4 and 3 came after set pieces.

2 in one match for Rudiger headers against Leicester.

1 at Emirates also set piece but it was all on Leno tbh...

He has only one assist all season (48 games) from open play. And even this assist is he took corner, ball come back to him he tries again with all players in the box so basically like another set piece.

 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,200]

6 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Now go watch SU first goal again.

And I'll come back with watch our first goal against Leicester earlier in the year?

7 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Lampard criticised us for lack of physicality recently

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Liverpool and City hardly have a physical midfield 

[Tomo 21,681]

9 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

His goals have nothing to do with creativity.

He has assisted 2 goals from free kicks, one from a corner kick and one from a normal cross. This is not what I call creativity. KDB, Bernardo Silva, David Silva etc. are creative players who do not only do corner kicks or indirect free kicks to get assists. KDB can make crazy through balls etc.
He can create chances for his players.

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Assist's are subjective, you can play the best through ball in football history yet you're still relying on someone else to do his job for it to be put on the stats.

[killer1257 3,282]

Liverpool and City hardly have a physical midfield 

Fabinho? Rodri is also not a pushover

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[Simon1991 225]

6 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

 

His goals have nothing to do with creativity.

He has assisted 2 goals from free kicks, one from a corner kick and one from a normal cross. This is not what I call creativity. KDB, Bernardo Silva, David Silva etc. are creative players who do not only do corner kicks or indirect free kicks to get assists. KDB can make crazy through balls etc.
He can create chances for his players.

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Delivering a good set-piece/corner is a form a creativity. We go on and on about how we cannot deliver good corners (hello Willian) and indirect free-kicks, so why wouldn't it count in terms of creativity? 

I won't argue that KDB or David Silva are not highly creative players, but just because they're better than Mount does not mean he is not a creative player. Also worth considering the free-flowing attacking football city plays. Mount would certainly look better in that system as well.

Why do you think he is not creative then? What i see from him is he can pick a pass, plays with high tempo all the time, can beat a man with a dribble or a good first touch. Those are intangible, you can't measure that, but i would never say he's not creative when i look him play.

Why do you consider he is not creative?

[killer1257 3,282]

Assist's are subjective, you can play the best through ball in football history yet you're still relying on someone else to do his job for it to be put on the stats.

So you say that Mount is playing these great through balls but Tammy and Giroud do not score from his passes?

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[NikkiCFC 7,595]

6 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

And I'll come back with watch our first goal against Leicester earlier in the year?

This is his biggest strength. Pressing. He also won penalty against Brighton in this way. He put that extra effort.