The Mourinho Thread

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

The way the players played, it seems much better to have a striker ala Aguero then a brute like Costa.

The problem is where we can buy a similar striker?

It's a pity we don't have Sturridge, he would be good.

But other then that I don't know.

I agree to an extent but I'd say it is always better to have a striker with the qualities of Aguero than one with the qualities of Costa. A technically excellent striker is something we have needed desperately for years. We might have had Aguero himself but for Carlo deciding against him. Still, that ship has sailed so we must try to find another.

I know some people see it differently but I can think of no situation whatsoever when I'd prefer Costa over Aguero.

[zolayes 14,489]

Apart from City every team in the league isn't very good attacking wise,and they sacrafise defense to be good attack.

The only difference between us and United/Spurs this season is the defence.

Goals scored Leicester 29

Everton 27

W ham 25

BOURNEMOUTH 17

Chelsea 17

still we do have 1 more than Sunderland

btw Spurs have 24 or 40% MORE than us ,,

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Trying to make an image of a big club with sponsorship deals, big budget, talented youth and positive style of play BUT having Mourinho as a manager. You can't thing about two more contradict forces.

Only in Chelsea.

[Tomo 21,733]

Goals scored Leicester 29

Everton 27

W ham 25

BOURNEMOUTH 17

Chelsea 17

still we do have 1 more than Sunderland

btw Spurs have 24 or 40% MORE than us ,,

And United?

Regular attacking patterns that some crave only really City have it properly.

[zolayes 14,489]

And United?

Regular attacking patterns that some crave only really City have it properly.

look it up but its more than ours,,

dont bother I will do it they have 20 about 15% more than us

[Irakozium257 350]

Trying to make an image of a big club with sponsorship deals, big budget, talented youth and positive style of play BUT having Mourinho as a manager. You can't thing about two more contradict forces.

Only in Chelsea.

Well said. Thiat is, I believe, the core of my unwanted frustrating angry emotions towards him. The last thing I want to be is a scaremongering cynic, but him being the coach at our club is so last year (no pun intended). What has happened to us so far this season is no fluke, we've deserved every bit of our losses and draws, and it all comes down to the step-by-step disharmony he has created since he came back. From degrading our own players/staff publicly to the cowardly tactics (the home game against PSG being a fine example), he has managed to make us really become a small horse domestically and in CL football. Luis Enrique had management problems last season at the start of this year, but he had the guts to put his pride behind and collaborate with everyone involved for the sake of the club. Our league position besides, I've come to realise that the so-called stability that people crave is an illusion that should be broken, I'd like to be wrong and start to actually see attacking, intense pressing, flawless and confident football in the coming matches, cause I know that our squad is more than capable of it, but with him at the helm, you get a nagging feeling that that there lurks more disappointments, more unnecessary scandals, boring/uncoordinated attack against ALL kinds of teams and the list goes on.

[zolayes 14,489]

He is really taking the piss .. " best performance of the season " we had FIVE FUCKING attempts ONE on target

[manpe 10,861]

He is really taking the piss .. " best performance of the season " we had FIVE FUCKING attempts ONE on target

Irrelevant. Defensively it was our best.

[Muzchap 8,966]

great tactics and the lads played well for Mourinho today.

Different formation at times ........seemed to keep reverting to a 442 when we had the ball.

Spurs were at a loss today and didnt seem ready with our changes considering they were hot favourites and most of their attempts ended up being long shots.

In the end we were very comfortable and a couple more efforts on goal would have capped a fine effort from the lads.

No bus parking from us today..

Kinda disagree (I know what you're thinking - shock / horror )

We did park the bus, it was a case of 11 behind the ball when Spuds had it and look to counter.

We gave tgem tons of room until they hit the halfway line. I don't think the Spuds expected that and looked a little lost and confused

However, we just don't have any ability to play smooth counter attacking football - we just cannot seem to string 3 or 4 FORWARD passes together, it's a joke. Playing accurate counter attacking football with our squad is like judging a fish on its ability to climb a tree!

We definitely need to work out a plan B and go with it.

Ivanovic was poor, scared of being caught out of possession so hung back the entire game, that fucks up our attacking shape and makes it even harder when teams press.

I'm not going to blame the players, I didn't think they left anything on the pitch. I would however have persisted with Baba and Dave as it gives more natural balance.

We need to ditch 4-2-3-1

Our midfield was again bypassed way too easily and you control a game from midfield - we just couldn't do that

Yes the Spuds are in good form, but we need to be beating teams like this (Top 7-8 contenders) if we are to do anything this season, or next.

The teams we meet in the knockout stages of the CL (predicting we will make it) will be much tougher than the Spuds and just 1 shot on target is absolutely pathetic.

Not to mention our inability to exploit the fact that Spuds had 3 defenders on yellows and could have easily lost a couple of players from rash challenges as they were putting themselves about a bit.

So for me - it's yet more of the same - never wanted to win, just didn't want to lose and that's a shit mentality for our Club.

But hey - I'm a football nobody, what do I know - our manager claimed it was the best performance of the season - lol

[Fulham Broadway 16,923]

Irrelevant. Defensively it was our best.

Set out our stall well today, credit to Jose. Also, I think the 12 00 kick off actually helped us for once.

[zolayes 14,489]

Set out our stall well today, credit to Jose. Also, I think the 12 00 kick off actually helped us for once.

Did Jose say Spurs had the advantage as we had two more days off ?

[Fulham Broadway 16,923]

Did Jose say Spurs had the advantage as we had two more days off ?

Not heard what hes said, havent been back long will watch motd later.

[zolayes 14,489]

Not heard what hes said, havent been back long will watch motd later.

needn't hurry we will be on 3rd

[zolayes 14,489]

needn't hurry we will be on 3rd

or 4th

[Adnane 1,101]

He is really taking the piss .. " best performance of the season " we had FIVE FUCKING attempts ONE on target

He was talking about Eden.

[zolayes 14,489]

He was talking about Eden.

oops sorry I thought he was taking about the team performance

[Essien19 1,415]

I put it in this thread, because i think in the de Bruyne thread i would have been crucified.

i wa discussing this with TOMO and he said the same thing about mata, so probably the problem is the way i am putting things. i am not saying we should have played mata as a DLP. i am saying that mata as a no.10 is a way better player than cesc as a no.10. cesc was bought mainly to give some creativity to us. but i would rather have a defensively liable no.10 than a defensively liable DLP. for eg costa hazard mata willian matic rakitic/schneiderlein/kondogbia/imbula/any CM is a way more balanced and creative team than costa hazard oscar willian matic cesc. having a defensively poor no.10 is acceptable but having a defensively poor DLP and then having the no.10 to cover for him is just suicidal. and yes, cesc did have a massive hand in helping us win the PL, but thats exactly what it was. short term thinking. 28 year old regressing player bought who does nothing but mainly de-stabilize every team he has been a part of, was simply a very poor decision by jose. and its showing.

Mata was a great player at Chelsea, but not under Mourinho.
At first you will say it's Mouinho's fault, but at United he couldn't perform either, at least for quite some time.
Even nowadays he's very inconsistent and that's not only because of different tasks, Van Gaal also doesn't rate him that highly.
The departure of Mata was the right thing to do, sadly (imo).

Back in the day Mata was a great number 10, better than Cesc is nowadays. I have to agree with you.
Your understanding of the abilites one player should have as a number 10, 8 or 6 is quite right imo.

For me 28 years of age aren't too old, i think a midfielder has to perform till his mid thirties, at least i expected it from Fabregas.
Boy, was i wrong, lol.

But claiming that buying a 28 year old player is short-term thinking is for me over the top.

Has Fabregas really de-stabilize every team he has ever played for?
Do you think that he made Arsenal weaker during his spell?
I don't think so, but if it's your opinion, so be it.

After the sell of David Luiz, a guy like Javi Martinez should have been bought, i don't think that Mourinho would have been against it.
It's like the member Oscar on here said, we never ever replaced David Luiz, that's the big problem.

people say ramires has been mooching off off us and living on his 11-12 performances. i say oscar has been living on one juventus game. i am sorry, but i never got the hype surrounding oscar. a bang average player who could do a "job". thats it. that juventus was a brilliant one and gave people some wrong ideas about his "potential". oscar has not regressed. he is the same old oscar. he can score an odd goal here and there, run around and thats pretty much it. there was a time when he used to put in tackles, thats one place where i would say he has regressed. his performance last year against newcastle was pretty much how he normally plays. poor. poor for the whole half, then by willian's intelligence in taking a quick corner, oscar gets a tap-in, and then people show his "stats". the same performance was given by him against tel-aviv and pretty much most of the time he plays for us. and then people try to give stupid excuses, the best one of which was "HE HAS NOT HAD A PRE-SEASON". i mean, what the actual fuck? even our own manager thought oscar's glaring technical limitations and issues would be resolved by a pre-season. laughable. anyways, for me there are no more IFs regarding oscar. he is an average player who needs to go and we need an upgrade. we had mata and kdb, but we lost those 2 cos our manager stupidly put all his eggs in oscar's basket.

After participating in a pre-season Oscar would become a better -and more consistent player, i never ever bought the hype,
yes hoped for, but that's it.

I often questioned his abilities, but mate, claiming he is bang average is a bit over the line i think.

A fully fit and in the right mood Oscar is a very good player imo; he is all over the pitch, quite intelligent whether with or off the ball,
he has got vision, knows to pass and his shooting ability is fuckin' great.
Thanks to some incomprehensible reasons he can't do it consistently what is a real shame.

Maybe at the end of the season it's better to part ways, for Chelsea and for Oscar, because something is holding him back,
elsewhere he can live up to his potential and i wish him that, he's not doing this shit on purpose, can't believe it.

massively disagree. look at our squad when jose came in AMs - mata, oscar, hazard, willian, kdb, schurrle, moses defenders - JT, GC, luiz, iva, azpi, cole, bertrand. even now look at some of our players on loan - moses, salah, cuadrado, christensen, pasalic, mvg. and then there was the likes of luis, lukaku. if we had got stones, i can bet that zouma would have been our 4th choice CB. thats jose for u. "if he had a say". he did have a say. all of this was his own say. jose has said time and again that he simply likes a small squad. a small squad can work for a season or 2, after which they simply go over the line. thats what has happened to a lot of our players. jose does not know how to rotate the squad and keep them happy. how can you expect to keep the likes of kdb and mata happy on the bench in a world cup year. how can you keep lukaku happy when you start schurrle at OLD TRAFFORD as a striker. 90% of the things are jose's fault. he can say "i did not want to sell the players but i wont keep a player who wants to leave". well, they want to leave because of his poor selections and rotations.

I feel a lot of anger towards Mourinho and i think for some of the things you can held him responsible.

I have read a lot about this imagination of playing Lukaku, De Bruyne, Luiz, Betrand and some of the goners.
Maybe there would have been some massacres, but consistently?
We never know, maybe, maybe not.

Before Mourinho's second spell, Chelsea was playing offensively, "mazacar" destroyed some teams,
but the league was out of reach.
Mourinho changed some things, the team has been a lot more compact till this season and guys like Matic or Willian have been added to the team, these dudes aren't that bad, are they?

Terry and Cahill haven't been up for the required standard this season, that's clear, so a possible combination of Zouma and Stones could have happened. You never know.
Maybe Stones would have played as a right back instead of Ivanovic, in my view that would have been a lot better.

Jose likes having a rather small squad, but filled with good players who can play in more than one position.
I think 2-3 players should have been added, Mourinho himself said he gave his letter of recommendation to the board early after the Championship last season.

Yes, i think he only wanted top-notch guys like Pogba, Stones and Griezmann, here we could have an endless discussion,

whether one should wait or go for a lower class (no disrespect meant).

Is Jose Mourinho really that incompetent when we're speaking about his rotation abilities?
How did he manage the Benzema and Higuain situation at Real Madrid?
I agree with you that Mourinho should have used a guy like Filipe Luis more often, but i'm sorry, it isn't always been this way.

Long story short: i agree with you that Jose made some mistakes, but for me that's human.
Every Chelsea manager in the past was far from perfect, failures are what makes you human.

I have read that Granovskaia speaks highly of Jose Mourinho in front of Abramovich, she knows that the blame has to be shared within the club.

We have to agree to disagree on some points, others we can agree on.
Could have been worse, friend.

[zolayes 14,489]

@essien .. I do really respect your passion and loyalty to Jose ,, sadly it is misplaced IMO and in the opinion of many others ,In terms of players he has made NOT

one mistake but many TOO many to be acceptable . I wont list them as I have often listed them already /

KTF BUT keep a sense of realism as well