The Mourinho Thread

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Monday night's defeat at Leicester has not altered Jose Mourinho's position at Chelsea, according to Sky sources.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Should we really let Jose build another team? We can't keep on building a new team every three or four years when Jose loses the dressing room. We want stability yes, but is Jose the manger for that? i don't think so.

And that is the question. He was never the man to bring stability and last for years, because he doesn't have a track record to prove it. We brought him, and put faith into his plan, and now the idea is to pull out cause things cannot be any worse. I guess it really isn;t about building a new team, it's about just updating it. When we failed to do so this year, it's going to force us to overhaul. Overhaul or sack him, and once you sack him who do we go to? Because if the idea is for the next manager to step up to the plate and provide a long term vision with stability then we're going down the same path once again.

[Pizy 18,955]

Not sure if anyone has considered or mentioned this, but if he's sacked there has to be a worry about the new manager doing an AVB and trying to radically change things too quickly and angering players in the process.

There's a chance a new manager turns things around but also a risk of making things even worse.

[kobematabryant 400]

No point sacking Mourinho but there is a point sacking the players that do not want to play for the club. Mourinho isn't the problem here, people have to realise.

[lucio 5,418]

Not sure if anyone has considered or mentioned this, but if he's sacked there has to be a worry about the new manager doing an AVB and trying to radically change things too quickly and angering players in the process.

There's a chance a new manager turns things around but also a risk of making things even worse.

i doubt anyone we would hire, would get chelsea worse than 16th

[lucio 5,418]

No point sacking Mourinho but there is a point sacking the players that do not want to play for the club. Mourinho isn't the problem here, people have to realise.

he sticks with the formation, and keeps our fullbacks the way they are. don't tell me he isn't the problem. the man's a fool

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Not sure if anyone has considered or mentioned this, but if he's sacked there has to be a worry about the new manager doing an AVB and trying to radically change things too quickly and angering players in the process.

There's a chance a new manager turns things around but also a risk of making things even worse.

We are 16th...

[kobematabryant 400]

People always love to bring up Mourinho selling Lukaku, Mata, Luiz this season, in such a convenient time when we are doing awful. Last season, Lukaku Mata Luiz were not part of the team but I barely heard any mention of them when we were top of the league. Bringing them up at this moment of time is irrelevant.

[Miki-Liki 405]

Lol, sack Mourinho and we'll lose stability. Where does this so-called stability lie? We had more stability under Benitez.

[Stats 7,147]

And that is the question. He was never the man to bring stability and last for years, because he doesn't have a track record to prove it. We brought him, and put faith into his plan, and now the idea is to pull out cause things cannot be any worse. I guess it really isn;t about building a new team, it's about just updating it. When we failed to do so this year, it's going to force us to overhaul. Overhaul or sack him, and once you sack him who do we go to? Because if the idea is for the next manager to step up to the plate and provide a long term vision with stability then we're going down the same path once again.

For me it is not just the fact that we are 16th. It is the fact that we look awful when we play and there is no identity. That is why I want him gone. I am sick of watching the negative drivel we display every week and there is just too much wrong with the team, the rapport between manager and players and that is why I think he needs to go.

[The Chels 2,502]

The whole 'lack of balls, lack of commitment, lack of desire' stuff is really overstated in my opinion. It's no surprise to see Mourinho put it down to this rather than consider the tactical side of things and what he could do differently. It's clear that his managerial success has huge thanks to his man-management and motivational skills, and in particular getting good players to play out of their skin for him. When that's gone though and when you can't rely on the players' individual abilities, when you require a system that makes the collective greater than the sum of the (underperforming) individual parts, what is Mourinho offering? Some tactical experimentation from the start of games (not including changing around the starting 11 slightly) would be nice. There's nothing to lose now.

[El P. 1,354]

Worse than this? We are 1 point above the relegation zone. A loss to Sunderland would put us in it. Can't be any worse.

It can. To not qualify for UCL next season too.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

For me it is not just the fact that we are 16th. It is the fact that we look awful when we play and there is no identity. That is why I want him gone. I am sick of watching the negative drivel we display every week and there is just too much wrong with the team, the rapport between manager and players and that is why I think he needs to go.

I appreciate it when there is an actual reasoning and I see where you are coming from. Just because the man has done what he has for this club does not give him the leeway to escape criticism when the team is at 16th, especially considering the fact that Chelsea's been lacking the identity for over a year. I feel that as long as he manages to not lose the dressing room, especially key players like Terry, Ivanovic and Hazard, he might just make it to summer. But I totally understand the reason behind you wanting him gone, and if the manager market was any better, I would be sharing the same idea with you.

[Rmpr 8,977]

What do you do with STALE MILK??!

You drink it, because tuere are children around the world who would give their life for it.

[Stats 7,147]

No point sacking Mourinho but there is a point sacking the players that do not want to play for the club. Mourinho isn't the problem here, people have to realise.

Yes, the players have been awful but in football when results go wrong, the manager goes. These were the same players that guided us to a title win last season so when it is the majority of the team playing bad, only 1 person has to go and that is Mourinho. We can't terminate all the players contracts and say you have not been good enough but I really think the club needs to go in a new direction because something is truly wrong here because these players have not turned 10 years older overnight nor have they turned in to trash overnight.

[Leif 6,006]

It's like a Granddad trying to relive his glory days by leading the family again, handling the finances, trying to prepare the young ones for their futures, while completely oblivious to the fact he's actually buying goldfish, not insurance, & he's putting the family in a hole.

The family don't feel anger towards him though. He's just gone loopy. Time for a retirement home grandpa.

[Pizy 18,955]

i doubt anyone we would hire, would get chelsea worse than 16th

We are 16th...

Worse than this? We are 1 point above the relegation zone. A loss to Sunderland would put us in it. Can't be any worse.

Right, and if a new manager pulls an AVB and drops 3-4 players from the XI, pisses them off, and tries formations they don't like we'll be near the relegation zone AND have a squad of players in revolt.

It can certainly get worse then it is now. Don't think we're at rock bottom yet.

[Irakozium257 350]

My biggest bugbear with this forum, you expressed it well.

I just can't understand the mentality of some people. It's literally a grass is greener syndrome coupled with a sense of weird perverse enjoyment at running the club down.

Last season must really have hurt for them because, although we're god awful this year and some of the stick a few of the players and the manager have been getting is justified, this same lot of players and the manager were by far and away the best team in England and won the double.

We all know if we'd kept Lukaku, De Bruyne, Mata etc. all the same members would be laying into them saying how they don't have the right attitudes and that we should signed those quality European talents like Costa, Hazard and Willian instead.

There are serious problems at the club that need to be sorted but the sheer enjoyment some people seem to get from all of this turmoil both worries and saddens me greatly.

What kind of enjoyment?? You think people who want him gone are somehow enjoying this? In fact, we're the ones suffering the most, because we could tell that the narcissistic, deluded turd was dragging us down from day one this season, from Eva to humiliating painful defeats against Crystal Palace, Southampton, Stoke, Liverpool, West Ham and yet he keeps getting the vote of confidence again and again. We're the ones suffering most because we've realized there's nothing special about him, he's actually THE specialist in failure, and yet there are so many hypocrites who are behind him even though they were shouting and holding banners for Benitez to get fired even though he had top 4 secured for us throughout his whole tenure..

[jernej93 569]

Mourinho: Premier league title was down to MY phenomenal work. "It's hard. Last season I did phenomenal work and I took them to a level that is not their level."

"Special One" this is probably not the best plan to escape the series of bad results (the crisis). The same players won you a Premier league title last year. You have picked them, you have decided to work with them, you have said that Oscar is better than Mata or De Bruyne and sold Lukaku. It's all about Mourinho when Chelsea is winning and all about the players when we are losing?

There are comments like "No player is bigger than the club; They are not giving 100%, we should sell them and bring new players". Think again .. do you think that Mourinho is bigger than the club? Do you think that Mourinho is giving his 100%? His main duties are motivation and tactics ... so once more, think again if he is giving his 100% with 4-2-3-1 and same starting eleven since game 1?

[Viper22 2,418]

What kind of enjoyment?? You think people who want him gone are somehow enjoying this? In fact, we're the ones suffering the most, because we could tell that the narcissistic, deluded turd was dragging us down from day one this season, from Eva to humiliating painful defeats against Crystal Palace, Southampton, Stoke, Liverpool, West Ham and yet he keeps getting the vote of confidence again and again. We're the ones suffering most because we've realized there's nothing special about him, he's actually THE specialist in failure, and yet there are so many hypocrites who are behind him even though they were shouting and holding banners for Benitez to get fired even though he had top 4 secured for us throughout his whole tenure..

First things first, I didn't mention everyone that wants Mourinho gone. There are some quality posters on this forum (Muzchap is one that springs to mind) that have put forth some compelling reasons for him going so this isn't a comment on the people wanting Mourinho gone.

My problem is with 2 things - the disrespect shown by people to him by calling him names like turd when he has led the club to 3 of the 5 titles we've ever won. But the other is the main one and that is the enjoyment people gain from.when things go wrong. When we win and play good football very few people say a thing on this forum. The post match threads are silent, no one complimenting the players or the manager or anything. One loss and the whole thing explodes with people laying into the players, the manager and the fans. Then the people that dare say something nice or positive and not just knee jerk with rage after a defeat get shouted down by "told you so" merchants who take so much joy in being right about things going badly wrong you can almost hear their laughs as they bash away at their keyboard.

Now please note that this isn't a comment towards you, I have no idea what kind of poster you are as I haven't seen any of your posts as I've not been around recently due to aforementioned reasons, this is due to you replying and I think misconstruing what I meant.