The Mourinho Thread

[DDA 9,570]

Why do people insist on mentioning other teams and there managers?. What happened under Moyes at Man United or Wenger or Rodgers is totally irrelevant. We are in a massive crisis on and off the field I couldn't give a flying fuck about anyone else accept Chelsea.

Well unfortunately Football is a sport where you are competing against many other teams to be the best. So it is undeniably inevitable that we will be held in comparison to those other teams. Which is making Jose look shocking for a man who has achieved soo much in world football.

[Clockwork 1,764]

I agree with everything you said except the bolded part about Brendan Rodgers.

Rodgers is a mid-table manager, nothing more, he was just lucky to have Suarez at Liverpool.

The year they finished 2nd they were firing on all cylinder attacking wise. Not only he got the best out of Suarez, so did he out of An aging Gerard and got the best out of Sturridge, Sterling, and Coutinho. He made that team click. That is a mark of a good manager, getting the best out of your players is all you can ask for.

His biggest issue were the following:

1. Losing his best players. Suarez aside, but Sturridge has constantly been injured in the last two season. That is a lot of goals and quality to lose. Also Gerrard declined massively due to age. Imo I rank those 3 as Liverpool best players when they finished 2. I think it is immensely flawed when people look at that team, as only minus Suarez.

2. Poor transfers. Whether it was him or the clubs guru mathematicians, they failed in reinforcing their squad. They have signed a lot of mediocre players.

3. They conceded a lot of goals, that is on him and only.

Ultimately he is not a bad manager, and gave Liverpool their best chance at winning the title in almost 30 years.

[Tomo 21,681]

United under David Moyes played better than we have. Mourinho is not a long term coach, this is becoming more and more apparent. He needs to go!

It is,.but in reality, who is a long term coach these days? People are too invested in the romantic picture of Fergie and too a lesser extent Wenger to see the realities of the modern game.

Dortmund looked shot in Klopps last season and a different team since he left, Pep himself admitted he would have had to have left Barca after a few years because players would tire of his ideas.

No more than 5 years is really possible for managers at top clubs these days for a variety of reasons.

[Jase 43,479]

Would anyone take Ronald Koeman if we got rid of Mourinho? Curious.

[DYC. 7,542]

Would anyone take Ronald Koeman if we got rid of Mourinho? Curious.

Me. One of my fantasy world candidates. He's impressed me a lot in the past 4, 5 years.

[Spike 12,049]

Would anyone take Ronald Koeman if we got rid of Mourinho? Curious.

Would the club get first dibs on Ajax and Feyeenord stars?

[Tomo 21,681]

Would anyone take Ronald Koeman if we got rid of Mourinho? Curious.

His last big job was with Valencia when he didn't last the season, had them fighting relegation and alienated and froze out key figures like Canizares and Albeda.

[Jase 43,479]

His last big job was with Valencia when he didn't last the season, had them fighting relegation and alienated and froze out key figures like Canizares and Albeda.

C'mon Tomo. Are you like always going to dismiss managers/coaches because of one bad job in their careers? Granted, some aren't/won't be good but not all are bad.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

His last big job was with Valencia when he didn't last the season, had them fighting relegation and alienated and froze out key figures like Canizares and Albeda.

If every manager was perfect then they would coach Real/Barca/Bayern. The key is not whether a manager is perfect or not, but whether THEY KNOW HOW TO GET OUT OF AN IMPERFECT SITUATION. In this sense why we all laugh at Wenger for many years but he is a manager that consistently get his team to be that 'nearly' team in the worst of the worst situation without combusting himself like LVG, Mourinho...etc. If he had a PSG/Chelsea squad I really think he would have added a lot more league titles to his CV instead of having to rebuild the team all the time for nearly 10 years.

Basically a good reputation coach is acceptable atm, doesn't need to be a super star big name. What about that Valencia coach now that no one heard of before last season?

[FabHazard 655]

NO to any other manager except guardiola

[DYC. 7,542]

His last big job was with Valencia when he didn't last the season, had them fighting relegation and alienated and froze out key figures like Canizares and Albeda.

True. He flopped, he also flopped at AZ. He went through a dark patch back then. That was a long time ago though. He recovered strongly after. His work at Feyenoord was phenomenal. No funds and he had to make due with youth players. But he managed to turn that team in a title challenging team, punching well above his weight for three years. He did good work at PSV and Ajax as well with the pressure to win, although at a far lower level.

The thing is, you can present any manager in the world and you can point out flaws and failures. That goes for Mourinho post-Inter as well. He's been quite ordinary since then. That's why I don't understand the obsession with big name managers.

[Tomo 21,681]

C'mon Tomo. Are you like always going to dismiss managers/coaches because of one bad job in their careers? Granted, some aren't/won't be good but not all are bad.

I'm not dismissing him merely playing devils advocate and this would be a similar job to Valencia for him, he took over there at this time off the season.

Furthermore he seems completely dedicated to Saints.

[Jase 43,479]

I'm not dismissing him merely playing devils advocate and this would be a similar job to Valencia for him, he took over there at this time off the season.

Furthermore he seems completely dedicated to Saints.

Not sure about that - http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-boss-ronald-koeman-drops-6663816.

He has always flirted with the idea of taking over the Netherlands job and has been linked with Barcelona as well.

[Henrique 9,133]

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/the-match/60/post/2680983/pressure-grows-on-jose-mourinho-as-chelsea-problems-mount

"And expense, of course, is a major deterrent for Abramovich because if he did sack Mourinho, that would cost him dearly, too. A new four-year contract, thought to be worth as much as £30 million, was signed in the summer.

More than that, Chelsea's owner will not want to look stupid. We are led to believe that he wants Mourinho to turn this around and that he wants to avoid a repeat of the instability Chelsea experienced between 2007 and 2013. But how long can his patience hold out?

Before the next international break, Chelsea league and cup trips to Stoke and they will host Liverpool and Dynamo Kiev. It goes without saying that they can ill afford a continuation of this form.

For now, you suspect that Abramovich will wait and see but in the background, expect contingency plans to be drawn. This is now a genuine crisis. Something has to give."

Interesting article. Actually I like EspnFC articles, since they have the balls to write bad words about Jose and realized a long time ago that there is something wrong, while the likes of Daily Mail, Telegraph and Guardian are more interested in his silly controversies, and just keep saying he is the best ever, no matter what. Yesterday someone from Guardian, I think, said the players are letting Mourinho down.

About the article, it seems Abramovich will play the waiting game. The club put themselves in a situation they will look just stupid sacking Mourinho months after giving him an unnecessary contract extention.

To be honest, that contract extention was already stupid months ago, you just can search the forum and will find many members here saying it was not the right time for a new contract.

Right now it will be even more stupid to wait to do the inevitable. The club must act quickly and find solutions for a life after Jose Mourinho, short and long term.

There is no reason to believe Mourinho will turn things around. Well, perhaps the team won't end league in 15th position or even outside the top 10, but I genuinely believe the team won't get top 4 finish as long as Jose Mourinho is the manager.

Even if another manager arrive tomorrow, it would be really difficult to get a top 4 finish. Really, really difficult, but we might have a chance. Mourinho, no chance.

Thats not how football works. The team won't start to play a strong football out of nowhere. The team is not under a short crisis or getting a couple of unlucky results. There is something really wrong with team's structure and spirit. Its not even a team full of new players trying to discover the chemistry, its a team that looks decadent.

Think about Andre Villas Boas season. The team was not as bad as he was making it look, but even after he left, while the football improved, but the team finished no better than 6th.

RDM was sacked when the team was 3rd in the league, 4 points behind the leader (but the team wasn't looking a top 4 finish material, despite some exciting games), after he left the team ended 3rd, but 15 points behind leader.

The team is "only" 9 points behind the top 4, but there are 10 teams between Chelsea and United. I still believe both Spurs and Liverpool are more likely to end in the top 4 than West Ham and Leicester.

At this moment, Chelsea is 6 points behind Spurs, and 2 behind Liverpool (it might be 5 if they win today). Last season, as far as december, we were 15 points in front of Spurs and 20 of Liverpool. At the end of the season, we were 23 from Spurs and 25 from Spurs. It means, from late december to the end of the season, a period where Chelsea got more points than any other team during last season, we only got 8 more points than Spurs and 5 than Liverpool.

It means, if, the team suddenly become one of the best in the PL again, that might be not enough to end the season in the top 4.

The worst part of the season is not even here yet.

If Mourinho fail to get a top 4 finish, he will get the axe, thats beyond doubt, so, if there is a huge indication that he won't achieve that goal, I don't see any good reason to keep his job.

[zolayes 14,489]

C'mon Tomo. Are you like always going to dismiss managers/coaches because of one bad job in their careers? Granted, some aren't/won't be good but not all are bad.

there is ONLY Jose ,, there is no alternative

[Clockwork 1,764]

man i would love to see Jorge Sampaoli at Chelsea.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Unai Emery has been brilliant everywhere he's been but I'm not sure how good his English is.

[Jase 43,479]

Unai Emery has been brilliant everywhere he's been.

Except at Spartak Moscow, where he lasted only 6 months.