The Mourinho Thread

[Essien19 1,415]

First things first, thanks for your response.

he stats that you have shown, mata has the highest pass%, 2nd highest key passes, highest crosses, 2nd highest long balls and 2nd highest through balls. mata played as an attacker in valencia and under AVB. under jose, mata was playing to cover for iva. the person who got the freedom was hazard, not mata. there is a massive difference in that aspect. so obviously this has to be taken into consideration. for example - playing mata as a right winger against luke shaw and lallana who were probably the best left wing combo in PL at that point of time, made no sense. most of us on here knew that mata should not start that game as a RW. there was no way in hell that mata was going to have a good match. why? was it because lack of effort or lack of motivation. no. he simply is not a player who can be played on the wings for defensive purposes. it is one thing to play a CAM on the wing and totally another to play a CAM on the wing and expect him to be defensive. obviously its the managers fault.

KDB had said something like "you dont talk to jose, only jose talks to you". jose is our manager. he is as much responsible for the tactics as he is for keeping the players happy and in the loop of why things have been done the way they have been done. if there was no dialogue, then it is only the manager's fault. also, again - it cant be mata's, kdb's, lukaku's, bertrand's, luis' etc etc fault. i would rather look at the one person common in all of this as the guilty party. if chelsea wanted to be FFP compliant, we should have sold hazard. 100mil pounds easy. if chelsea wanted to be FFP compliant, we should not have bought willian (who looked like a luxury signing with hazard, mata, schurrle, oscar, kdb, moses) already in the squad. we sold mata, kdb, lukaku, bertrand, luis etc etc.. because these players were unhappy under jose and wanted to leave. getting good money for them was a good job by the board.

An assessment of Mata is difficult because of his new role under Jose Mourinho.
I can agree with that, but that's how life is, one has to make difficult decisions and i think your highlighted sentence says it all, Mourinho said it himself, he put his faith in Hazard and in my opinion, it has turned out to be the right judgement call, imo,
even today i don't have a problem with it.

Before this season, Mata didn't live up to his price tag at United (imo), then after some very good games this season it was difficult to welcome the departure, but since the recent international games Mata has been poor (again), my opinion, whoscored backs it up.

At United there isn't a Ivanovic for whom he has to work for, but it's still not that special, imo.
Mata is and has always been (sometimes) an inconsistent and frustrating player (like a surprise bag, you never know what you will get and his overall play is questionable), a good second striker, imo, Van Gaal isn't his biggest fan either.
There we have two guys, Del Bosque never ever used him very often, no matter what form David Silva was in, still the man.

Three coaches, i found a pattern, i think.

You have condemned Cesc Fabregas and marked him as a liability, what about turning the tables and ask why Chelsea have become an immediate title contender for winning the league since Juan Mata has left?
Mata pulled off great stuff at Chelsea, but he couldn't lead the team to the biggest title in England, in contrast to Hazard.

So, i stated why i think it's been the right call to give Hazard more space and freedom.

Fairplay to you for outlining Mata's positive aspects, his passing was still there.

As much as you don't rate our number 8, back in 2013/2014 not only his heat map sets the direction,
overall he performed, imo.
Whoscored backs it up, again.

At that time i very tough call to make, because on the one hand there was a promising prospect who lived up to the hype imo
(you have a different opinion) and on the other hand we had the current player of the year who had to play in a different position which didn't work out that good.

Yes, you complain about the lack of comunication between Mourinho and some of the players.

Apparently Mourinho is a bit distant, but others like Fabregas are speaking highly of Mourinho.
I think the truth lies somewhere between, in the end it's all speculation.

That's what leaders do, they decide, instead of De Bruyne/Mata we have Oscar.
The loss of de Bruyne is bad, you can pin it a bit on Mourinho, but a tango requires two, never forget that.^^

Instead of Mata having Willian around does it for me.

i am sorry, but again. that just shows how wrong jose is. hazard had nothing to do with KDB. kdb is a CAM. we lost KDB because oscar was jose's "undisputed" no.10 with no merit. why? will he take the blame for this? playing for belgium is one thing and playing for chelsea is another. the world cup is a stage where a lot of big games have not lived upto their expectations. but i am still sure KDB and hazard would do something together in the coming years. barca2014/15: no cesc: CL, liga, copa barce 2013/14: cesc: nothing barca 2012/13: cesc: la liga (but mainly because jose screwed it up with RM) barca 2011/12: cesc: copa barca 2010/11: no cesc: CL, liga barca 2009/10: no cesc: liga barca 2008/09: no cesc: CL, liga, copa. xavi was regressing last year too. cesc was their xavi replacement just like rakitic. cesc was horrid in his time at barca. also, why dont you think they had any stability? the barca 4-3-3 under pep was changed to 3-4-3 just to accomodate cesc, which ultimately led to his downfall. cesc became an arsenal player from 04/05 season. he consistently featured in arsenal from that season even though he was bought in 03. is it surprising that arsenal did not win jack squat since then? i am not saying cesc should be the only one to blame, but he just is not a player around whom a title winning team can build a team. and he is also not a player who can play without the team being built around him. he just cant do the bit-part stuff like seen at barca.

Why didn't Granovskaia put a buy-back clause in the contract with Wolfsburg?

Yes, Mourinho has to take some of the blame too.

Again, i think the highlighted sentence hits the nail on the head. Fabregas can't dictate play, he can't structure nor do his defensive duties in a struggling squad properly. For me, he is an accuracy player, who gives you very few good passes, which can decide the match, but you have to handle the handicaps carefully.

When playing in an in-form team, he can give you good moments, remember Spain, but funnily he played most of the time as a striker, i think.
Irrelevant, i get your point on this one, finally.

the lesser about oscar, the better. simply dont think he is worth the time and effort. as for RLC, he will get more engaged in a game IF he gets to play a game. how can he improve sitting on the bench doing nothing. what is a player's motivation when he sees the team getting beaten so badly, players like cesc, matic, oscar underperforming match after match and yet he cant get a game to save his life in any of the positions he can play (10, 8, 6). i know these players are "professionals" and should act like one, but they are also human. how long can a player keep "training" knowing he is never going to get a chance. forget RLC, lets talk remy. we fought tooth and nail to keep him here and look at how we are using him. atrocious. as for the kids comment. i will talk about it when does do it. jose simply likes to speak, speak and speak. when it is time for him to actually walk the walk, he shows no balls.

At least Loftus-Cheek is training, i think you underestimate a daily training day, that will work some wonders.
Yes, playing time is better, but come on, the boy is just 19 years old and without professional experience, a total freshman.
If we had a Bertrand done to him, i would have understood you better, but it's a bit early, isn't it?

Loftus-Cheek should have played more in pre-season, i give you that.

Mourinho stated that Costa could have been dropped some time ago, but he didn't do it.
Maybe there is some remorse, don't know.

For me Remy is an average striker, he scores some, but he misses some too (for example Stoke), gives you some runs,
but he isn't offering much more.
Is he currently better than Costa?
Maybe, but imo Costa is a much better player and there is hope he will hit his form again.

The situation seems delicate, but if i'm absolutely honest, i prefer Pedro upfront instead of Remy, more intelligent, offers more.

a small squad thinking is a "short term" way. look at SAF and his squads. he always had 22/23 players and kept them happy. and i know, SAF too made a lot of mistakes, but compared to the things he did right, it was a drop in the ocean. jose seems to have got as many right, as wrong. his approach of a "small squad" is a very short term thing in my opinion. it is not lasting, and over the course of time, players will drop off due to exhaustion or the lack of motivation seeing that they are never going to be played irrespective of the situation. fair point on stones. and if we had played him as a RB, i dont think we would be in this poor a condition. also, fair point about willian. i can look at azpi and say the same thing. BUT, each player is different. and it is the manager's responsibility to mould himself a bit. i dont think jose EVER does that. also, buying kondogbia would never come under the "buying without consideration" philosophy. everyone knew that we needed a quality CM. lets just hope we can get one soon. no need to apologize dude. been a pleasure talking to you and looking at your perspective. just wish things were a bit different.

The squad already consists of >20 players.

Some players have been out of form, others hurt, that will decimate the available numbers.

Would have Kondogba blocked the development of Loftus-Cheek in the long-term?
I player like Pogba who is more suited to play a bit more upfront not?
One can speculate, but if Kondogbia were in the squad, it would have been a lot more difficult for Loftus-Cheek, imo.

Maybe Mourinho and the board made the wrong call...

Yes, i think you got a point with the fatigue, but i think most of the players don't lack motivation, rather they are helpless,

but that does reflect badly on Mourinho.
For example before the third goal from Pool, i think the players panicted and no one were there to bring calmness to team.
Leaders like Cech or Drogba should be in the squad, even Courtois isn't there, who imo is a better leader than Begovic, who can't safe a penalty -or make a good goal kick to safe his life. His coordination of the defence has been quite shocking so far, imo.

I also wish that things were a bit different.

Cheers, mate!

[Johnnyeye 7,445]

http://www.espnfc.us/club/chelsea/363/blog/post/2738185/mourinho-managing-chelsea-diego-costa-better-than-expected

This is why ESPN is one of the biggest piece of horsesh*t there is, nothing but hate, bashing and trolling towards Chelsea, actually this article is not that bad, but many are plain awful, anyway we just went trough November undefeated, which in the past was our worse month of the season and minding the season so far, it´s progress anyway you look at it. It´s very rare to find a decent article about Chelsea without something negative, always stirring things up, conspiracy theories, etc. They never give it a rest. Don´t even get me started on the idiots who work there: Hislop, Burley and co. Just stay away from the comment section in Chelsea articles, many idiots and trolls there. Daily Mail it´s another one i dislike. I know it´s the media doing what they love, making bullsh*t up most of the time to try and destabilize us. Cheers

[didierforever 7,349]

First things first, thanks for your response.

An assessment of Mata is difficult because of his new role under Jose Mourinho.

I can agree with that, but that's how life is, one has to make difficult decisions and i think your highlighted sentence says it all, Mourinho said it himself, he put his faith in Hazard and in my opinion, it has turned out to be the right judgement call, imo,

even today i don't have a problem with it.

Before this season, Mata didn't live up to his price tag at United (imo), then after some very good games this season it was difficult to welcome the departure, but since the recent international games Mata has been poor (again), my opinion, whoscored backs it up.

At United there isn't a Ivanovic for whom he has to work for, but it's still not that special, imo.

Mata is and has always been (sometimes) an inconsistent and frustrating player (like a surprise bag, you never know what you will get and his overall play is questionable), a good second striker, imo, Van Gaal isn't his biggest fan either.

There we have two guys, Del Bosque never ever used him very often, no matter what form David Silva was in, still the man.

Three coaches, i found a pattern, i think.

You have condemned Cesc Fabregas and marked him as a liability, what about turning the tables and ask why Chelsea have become an immediate title contender for winning the league since Juan Mata has left?

Mata pulled off great stuff at Chelsea, but he couldn't lead the team to the biggest title in England, in contrast to Hazard.

So, i stated why i think it's been the right call to give Hazard more space and freedom.

Fairplay to you for outlining Mata's positive aspects, his passing was still there.

As much as you don't rate our number 8, back in 2013/2014 not only his heat map sets the direction,

overall he performed, imo.

Whoscored backs it up, again.

At that time i very tough call to make, because on the one hand there was a promising prospect who lived up to the hype imo

(you have a different opinion) and on the other hand we had the current player of the year who had to play in a different position which didn't work out that good.

i dont think those stats are right mate.

mata made 13 appearances in PL for us, and just 2 in CL.

and as you said, assessment of mata is difficult because of his new role. which was my earlier point.

i think you have put a very weird spin on it. even without cesc and costa we were PL contenders. even without cesc, costa, KDB, mata we were PL contenders. infact, if mata had stayed, we would most probably have won the league. we did not need cesc for it. in 13/14, towards the end of the season, we played a 1-0 to palace, 1-0 to villa and 0-0 to norwich. 3 games where we could not even score and could not break a deep defence. tailor-made for mata. cesc and costa were additions to a team which without half a season with a proper DM(matic), which without a proper striker should still have won the league. i dont think you can say that mata's departure has made us a PL contender. i have to massively disagree on this point.

overall in 13/14: mata - appearances - 32, goals - 7, assists - 8, minutes - 2330, 155 minutes/goal-assist.

overall in 13/14: oscar - appearances - 47, goals - 11, assists - 10, minutes - 3113, 149 minutes/goal-assist.

hardly any difference, and do not forget how pathetic oscar was at the end of the season. i remember people saying "oh his mind is on the world cup, he is only a kid, its bound to happen". another poor excuse.

Yes, you complain about the lack of comunication between Mourinho and some of the players.

Apparently Mourinho is a bit distant, but others like Fabregas are speaking highly of Mourinho.

I think the truth lies somewhere between, in the end it's all speculation.

That's what leaders do, they decide, instead of De Bruyne/Mata we have Oscar.

The loss of de Bruyne is bad, you can pin it a bit on Mourinho, but a tango requires two, never forget that.^^

Instead of Mata having Willian around does it for me.

Why didn't Granovskaia put a buy-back clause in the contract with Wolfsburg?

Yes, Mourinho has to take some of the blame too.

Again, i think the highlighted sentence hits the nail on the head. Fabregas can't dictate play, he can't structure nor do his defensive duties in a struggling squad properly. For me, he is an accuracy player, who gives you very few good passes, which can decide the match, but you have to handle the handicaps carefully.

When playing in an in-form team, he can give you good moments, remember Spain, but funnily he played most of the time as a striker, i think.

Irrelevant, i get your point on this one, finally.

if a player is not dropped after a performance he put in against city - obviously he is going to praise the manager. do you remember that 3-0 thrashing and how absolutely shit cesc was? 15 seconds and he let silva turn and put aguero through. by the way, if i am not wrong, whoscored gave cesc the highest rating among chelsea players for that game. just tells, you how random their ratings are. on the other hand, you have players like KDB and mata, who are benched for no good reason. schurrle was played ahead of lukaku at the OT. bertrand and luis were not even given a chance. well, you get why these players would say the things they do.

fair enough, a buy back should have been included. but do you think KDB would even consider working under jose again? i dont think so.

At least Loftus-Cheek is training, i think you underestimate a daily training day, that will work some wonders.

Yes, playing time is better, but come on, the boy is just 19 years old and without professional experience, a total freshman.

If we had a Bertrand done to him, i would have understood you better, but it's a bit early, isn't it?

Loftus-Cheek should have played more in pre-season, i give you that.

Mourinho stated that Costa could have been dropped some time ago, but he didn't do it.

Maybe there is some remorse, don't know.

For me Remy is an average striker, he scores some, but he misses some too (for example Stoke), gives you some runs,

but he isn't offering much more.

Is he currently better than Costa?

Maybe, but imo Costa is a much better player and there is hope he will hit his form again.

The situation seems delicate, but if i'm absolutely honest, i prefer Pedro upfront instead of Remy, more intelligent, offers more.

i was just replying to you saying that RLC needs to engage more in the game. for me that can only happen on the field.

also, i feel, youth players have to be handled very carefully. 2 years ago chalobah was considered to be our brightest youth propspect. today, no one even talks about him? one bad year and all the hype is down the drain.

yes, training with the team is important, but the growth can only happen with hands-on experience. not just in football but almost every other field of career.

also, if remy misses oppurtunities, pedro misses more than him. pedro is a very poor finisher. also, i think you underestimate remy's movement, which i feel is very good. not surprising that he can get goals so easily. his movement along with his anticipation is actually quite good. the old saying "right moment at the right time" fits for him. as for costa, there is no "maybe" here. in the present form remy is a better option. infact, i would even put in falcao ahead of him. i remember that goal against palace. a cross in the box, and a well placed header along with a good run. with the amount of crosses we have put in, in the last 3/4 games, i feel if we continue playing this way, falcao can be a bigger threat than "THIS" costa.

The squad already consists of >20 players.

Some players have been out of form, others hurt, that will decimate the available numbers.

Would have Kondogba blocked the development of Loftus-Cheek in the long-term?

I player like Pogba who is more suited to play a bit more upfront not?

One can speculate, but if Kondogbia were in the squad, it would have been a lot more difficult for Loftus-Cheek, imo.

Maybe Mourinho and the board made the wrong call...

Yes, i think you got a point with the fatigue, but i think most of the players don't lack motivation, rather they are helpless,

but that does reflect badly on Mourinho.

For example before the third goal from Pool, i think the players panicted and no one were there to bring calmness to team.

Leaders like Cech or Drogba should be in the squad, even Courtois isn't there, who imo is a better leader than Begovic, who can't safe a penalty -or make a good goal kick to safe his life. His coordination of the defence has been quite shocking so far, imo.

I also wish that things were a bit different.

Cheers, mate!

blackman/amelia, aina, Papy Djilobodji, Bertrand Traoré, RLC, kenedy - atleast 6 players who barely have a shot of starting a PL game ahead of the first teamers if they are fit, irrespective of HOW they are playing. i would even put in baba, remy in that bracket considering ivanovic simply walked into the team and despite baba putting in a MOTM performance in CL, iva still started against spurs. so as i see it, we have 17 players to choose from, out of which 4 are cesc, oscar, rambo and mikel, who should not be more than squad players for chelsea. hardly surprising that we are in a situation we are in, considering our squad strength. and before you say it, NO, the board is not to blame. JOSE is.

as for kondogbia, i have to simply ask a question, what DEVELOPMENT? where is it? i would rather have a 22 year old player blocking RLC's development than 3 28 year olds like cesc, ramires and mikel. all of whom, imo, should be here next season.

fair enough, about the leadership point, but jose was trying to clear the old guard - cole, cech, lamps. this problem was bound to arise. as for begovic, he is a very good 2nd keeper. most of the teams in this world would love to have begovic as a backup to thibo. yes, he has some shortcomings, but that is nothing compared to some of the shortcomings of our first teamers like oscar, cesc, rambo, mikel.

at the end of the day, i have to ask this question. do you think jose is the right man for the next season. do you think he can drop of the "experienced" players even if it is mikel and give pasalic a shot in the team. or drop oscar and give RLC a shot. mould in baba, kenedy, traore. and atleast use some of the talent at our disposal in the form of musonda/boga/baker. expecting ALL of them to be a part of CFC is a major ask. but with jose, except for kenedy (maybe), i dont see a future for ANY of those youngsters at chelsea, which is a shame.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Mourinho confirms Matic playing with a mask tomorrow after getting a double fracture on nose and cheek.

JT, Ramirez and Falcao still injured.

Courtois in squad and will play if ok....if not tomorrow then against Porto.

Jose seems relaxed and happy enough with recent progress

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Sounded good until I read 'football expert' under his name.

Trading standards should be informed ;-)

[kmk108 1,186]

Mourinho confirms Matic playing with a mask tomorrow after getting a double fracture on nose and cheek.

JT, Ramirez and Falcao still injured.

Courtois in squad and will play if ok....if not tomorrow then against Porto.

Jose seems relaxed and happy enough with recent progress

Please no Courtois in the Porto game. He's been out for so long, they can't bring him back in such an important game.

[didierforever 7,349]

say what you want about him, atleast he knows what players to play!!!

[Essien19 1,415]

i dont think those stats are right mate. mata made 13 appearances in PL for us, and just 2 in CL. and as you said, assessment of mata is difficult because of his new role. which was my earlier point. i think you have put a very weird spin on it. even without cesc and costa we were PL contenders. even without cesc, costa, KDB, mata we were PL contenders. infact, if mata had stayed, we would most probably have won the league. we did not need cesc for it. in 13/14, towards the end of the season, we played a 1-0 to palace, 1-0 to villa and 0-0 to norwich. 3 games where we could not even score and could not break a deep defence. tailor-made for mata. cesc and costa were additions to a team which without half a season with a proper DM(matic), which without a proper striker should still have won the league. i dont think you can say that mata's departure has made us a PL contender. i have to massively disagree on this point. overall in 13/14: mata - appearances - 32, goals - 7, assists - 8, minutes - 2330, 155 minutes/goal-assist. overall in 13/14: oscar - appearances - 47, goals - 11, assists - 10, minutes - 3113, 149 minutes/goal-assist. hardly any difference, and do not forget how pathetic oscar was at the end of the season. i remember people saying "oh his mind is on the world cup, he is only a kid, its bound to happen". another poor excuse.

Mata had been bought back in 2011.

2011/2012 25 points behind City.

2012/2013 14 points behind United.

(I have seen you doing it, couldn't resist... )

Since 2013 Mourinho has taken over and tweaked the system, gone are the days of having Mata as the number 10.

You got me, it's not about the departure of Juan Mata, but rather the change of position of some players and different tasks.

Everyone could see the immediate improvement, more and more consistent, compact and competitive.

I think Mata would have been a good option to have around, surely it would have helped us lot in the end of the 2013/2014 campaign, especially in the games you mentioned, but Mata wanted to play more and that wasn't possible.

World-Cup was ahead of us, similar to Kevin's case.

I'm sorry, but after shit went bananas it's a lot easier to re-evaluate the situation.

Yes, you are right with your criticism of Oscar's decline since Mata and de Bruyne left, but who could have seen that one coming?

Maybe you...

In the next season i think Mata and Oscar weren't that wide apart.

The first spell of 2015/2016 goes on Mata, not even a competition (sadly).

Oscar's decline before the world cup was used as a simple excuse, sometimes people need hope,

don't think anyone really believed that.

if a player is not dropped after a performance he put in against city - obviously he is going to praise the manager. do you remember that 3-0 thrashing and how absolutely shit cesc was? 15 seconds and he let silva turn and put aguero through. by the way, if i am not wrong, whoscored gave cesc the highest rating among chelsea players for that game. just tells, you how random their ratings are. on the other hand, you have players like KDB and mata, who are benched for no good reason. schurrle was played ahead of lukaku at the OT. bertrand and luis were not even given a chance. well, you get why these players would say the things they do. fair enough, a buy back should have been included. but do you think KDB would even consider working under jose again? i dont think so.

Fabregas should have done better, he didn't want to deal with the situation properly or realised it too late, don't know.

Such moments are decisive, set the direction of the match. Mourinho said it himself after the match, most of the people knew that Chelsea were in big trouble after that chance.

The whole team was really bad, no one deserves a good mark, imo.

Yes, whoscored gave Fabregas the highest rating among all Chelsea players. At least there was a long shot at goal, but overall, your right, the mark is way too high imo. But i don't want to discredit whoscored, they are the professionals

who do it day in, day out, it is how it is.

Back in the day, Chelsea had Hazard, Mata, Willian, Schurrle, de Bruyne and Oscar.

All of them weren't out of form, they wanted to play. They all wanted to participate in the upcoming World-Cup.

Which big club has (had) so many fit and class attacking players in their squad?

Can't see one in the last years.

So there has to be some rotation, which Mourinho did, but imo de Bruyne wanted to play most of the time and Mata wasn't comfortable on the wing and with his new tasks.

Big money offers arrived, instead of waiting too long (United are specialists in getting less money) Chelsea granted their wishes and sold them.

In contrast to Everton, if you want out, Chelsea will find a way to make it happen.

the lesser about oscar, the better. simply dont think he is worth the time and effort. as for RLC, he will get more engaged in a game IF he gets to play a game. how can he improve sitting on the bench doing nothing. what is a player's motivation when he sees the team getting beaten so badly, players like cesc, matic, oscar underperforming match after match and yet he cant get a game to save his life in any of the positions he can play (10, 8, 6). i know these players are "professionals" and should act like one, but they are also human. how long can a player keep "training" knowing he is never going to get a chance. forget RLC, lets talk remy. we fought tooth and nail to keep him here and look at how we are using him. atrocious. as for the kids comment. i will talk about it when does do it. jose simply likes to speak, speak and speak. when it is time for him to actually walk the walk, he shows no balls.

I would have loved to see more from Loftus-Cheek, can't be in denial.

But whatever the reasons are, i trust Mourinho. Varane recently praised him for being hard on him, in the end Mourinho has made him a better player.

I don't know what's going on with Remy.

Sometimes it's strange, why he didn't make the grade.

Maybe Remy isn't suited to this style of play, no one seems able to play decent through balls, in my point of view Loftus-Cheek isn't that good either in this department. Costa is better as the lone wolf, imo.

blackman/amelia, aina, Papy Djilobodji, Bertrand Traoré, RLC, kenedy - atleast 6 players who barely have a shot of starting a PL game ahead of the first teamers if they are fit, irrespective of HOW they are playing. i would even put in baba, remy in that bracket considering ivanovic simply walked into the team and despite baba putting in a MOTM performance in CL, iva still started against spurs. so as i see it, we have 17 players to choose from, out of which 4 are cesc, oscar, rambo and mikel, who should not be more than squad players for chelsea. hardly surprising that we are in a situation we are in, considering our squad strength. and before you say it, NO, the board is not to blame. JOSE is.

as for kondogbia, i have to simply ask a question, what DEVELOPMENT? where is it? i would rather have a 22 year old player blocking RLC's development than 3 28 year olds like cesc, ramires and mikel. all of whom, imo, should be here next season. fair enough, about the leadership point, but jose was trying to clear the old guard - cole, cech, lamps. this problem was bound to arise. as for begovic, he is a very good 2nd keeper. most of the teams in this world would love to have begovic as a backup to thibo. yes, he has some shortcomings, but that is nothing compared to some of the shortcomings of our first teamers like oscar, cesc, rambo, mikel. at the end of the day.

I think you're a bit too harsh.

Didn't get Kenedy the preference ahead of Willian against Everton?

I think Mouriho rates him highly.

About the others it's more difficult to disprove.

Who wanted to buy Papy?

It seems Papy didn't impress Mourinho and maybe it wasn't his idea to buy him either. For me, that's on the board.

However, the season is still young, maybe he needs more time to settle in.

Can't say anything against the likes of Loftus-Cheek and Traore, you do have a point.

It would have been interesting if Ivanovic had been dropped earlier, especially when the new guy Baba struggled with fitness.

Who would have been his successor, Zouma?

For me, that's the crux of the matter.

You need a guy who is able to take over and make it work.

Finally, Ivanovic has upped his game since his return imo, maybe he can continue like that.

I think Baba will get more and more playing time, Mourinho recently said that the contract extension of Brane isn't that important for now.

Could be a possibility, that the end is near, then the way will be open for Baba.

With all due respect; there is a difference between some older guys who are higher up the food chain or some expensive young guy, whose career has just started and he is here for the long run.

A guy like Kondogbia would have been some cock block for Loftus-Cheek, imo.

But i can agree with you on this one, one more midfielder should be in the squad.

The question is why not get someone who is more attacking?

Begovic did make some good saves, no question.

But the whole defence is a mess right now and maybe Courtois is better in sorting this out, don't know.

Have to look for some hope, i think. Getting desperate, lol.

i have to ask this question. do you think jose is the right man for the next season. do you think he can drop of the "experienced" players even if it is mikel and give pasalic a shot in the team. or drop oscar and give RLC a shot. mould in baba, kenedy, traore. and atleast use some of the talent at our disposal in the form of musonda/boga/baker. expecting ALL of them to be a part of CFC is a major ask. but with jose, except for kenedy (maybe), i dont see a future for ANY of those youngsters at chelsea, which is a shame.

Why do i believe Jose Mourinho is still the man?

Back in 2004 he worked wonders and decisions like making a 23 year old milk face the permanent captain, continuing to help Lampard reaching his potential, getting the best out of Joey and so on shows what he's capable of.

But the integration of young players, it's becoming a bigger problem every few months, most of the young guys get the impression too early that they are going to the top, can't wait aynmore, when things get tough, they bottle it.

Some would call this behaviour spineless.

When guys 18,19 years of age don't get regular playing time in a top team, the cunt in charge must be held accountable for it,

because it can't be their fault, almost always there is already an excuse in place, otherwise it's shisha time with some models.

Or some agent calls you and asks for a way out, because a lot of the current generation have become soft, no fight whatsoever,

but fake tears everywhere.

When you truly want something, you have to take it and sometimes it requires a fight, but what can you say to these dudes,

when the average salary of a footballer in the Premier League is about ~2,3 mio. a year?

Some 18 years olds are already earning around a million a year, before they even played a professional match in the leauge, lol.

What can you do against that shit?

Swallow or stand up but risking the sack?!

After choosing to fight, you desperately need character, because it's already a lost cause.

Cleary it's been a rough spell so far, but i have seen a lot worse.

But again, the stadium is crowed with people who had to pay serious money to get in and lot of them are expecting a particular style of play. Some of them may take pictures, but after watching on their mobiles the new wonder goal from Neymar or the latest powerplay from Bayern Munich. They won't be satisfied.

Jose Mourinho is a lot of things, but stupid ain't one.

He did drop player after player, Costa is the last one.

Most of the so-called top teams are dropping like flies, injuries or the "smaller" teams get the better of them.

Maybe i'm naiv but i think it's still possible to get a top 4 finish, but if not, so be it.

In my point of view we don't necessarly need expensive starlets, but some reconstruction has to happen.

You mentioned a lot of names, again maybe i'm naiv, but i think when they are truly good enough,

some of them might stand a chance.

Now we come to the next thing, it's not all about the performances, it's the overall impression, what kind of personality you have and so on. The atmosphere within the squad is important!

I think you disagree, each of us has his point of view, we'll see how it will turn out.

[Azul 1,615]

I've given up on this season to be honest. I'm just waiting until this horrible season is over, I can't wait to see Jose leave the club. He'll probably ruin the january transfer market aswell by selling/loaning the likes of Traore, RLC etc. Look at what Klopp did with Liverpool.... it could have been us ffs.

There is a dark cloud around this club and it's not because of results it's because Jose is doing almost everything negatively. Talks too much shit at the press, has fights with his players, sacks physio's, talks shit about Chelsea legends (even DROGBA!). This man is singlehandedly destroying this club, I don't even fucking care about results. I have not seen a legit good performance since Swansea last season.

[guddy69 174]

Who is a better manager than Jose ? I hope you admit you were wrong when we win things again..

[guddy69 174]

Our last 3 perfomances have been really good.. we are getting better every game.

[KevinAshburner 1,270]

you know what I would like to see happen is. José Mourinho the Manager of Manchester United when MUFC sack LVG at the end of this Season 2015/2016 and see what Jose can do at MUFC.

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

you know what I would like to see happen is. José Mourinho the Manager of Manchester United when MUFC sack LVG at the end of this Season 2015/2016 and see what Jose can do at MUFC.

get out! NOWWW!

[Sovieticus 743]

Don't take what he says seriously. 99% of his posts are not serious.

aka he is just shitposting

[KevinAshburner 1,270]

aka he is just shitposting

thank you for noticing my slave. i am the king of shitposting. i will spare you with my slaughtering my slave.

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[Parky 739]

Jose's love for Ivanovic is everlasting. Today playing at home to a lowly team like Bournemouth he benches our best RB Cesar and plays captain Ivanovic who has not made one decent cross out of all the great opportunities he was afforded. His lack of pace is embarrassing for a full back being caught out numerous times when they hit on the counter. His arms behind the back play makes me cringe everytime.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Jose's love for Ivanovic is everlasting. Today playing at home to a lowly team like Bournemouth he benches our best RB Cesar and plays captain Ivanovic who has not made one decent cross out of all the great opportunities he was afforded. His lack of pace is embarrassing for a full back being caught out numerous time when they hit on the counter.

Something is clearly going on between them.