The Mourinho Thread

[Rhino's Skin 972]

They prefer PL because it is more attainable. People with low standard will say PL.

Btw why isn't it surprising Mou hardcore defendants are the one saying PL>CL.

Incredibly wrong on all 3 counts especially the last one because it doesn't matter who the manager is and it might have escaped your attention but hardly anyone is saying the PL is greater than the CL....just saying that to most fans its the one to win year in year out and then worry about a CL.

And I also bet that if we were near or at the top of the PL this season......we wouldn't even be having this debate at this present time of the season

[Adnane 1,101]

Btw why isn't it surprising Mou hardcore defendants are the one saying PL>CL.

Indeed, because Mourinho has been awful in the CL throughout his carrer

Normally taking the Premier League over the Champions league, but it's a cycle, our previous one felt so special because of all we had to endure in the decade before to get it.

But you can't keep winning the league every year and pretend you don't want to win the CL, that's ridiculous, I just believe the club owes it more to be dominant ( or at least there up top ) in the league every year than in the sem finals of the CL, not because getting to the semis is harder, but because it depends on a lot of random stuff in addition to your performance per se.

[stroey 2,525]

the ''anti-Mourinho crew'' would say the same things if we won the Champions league last season with Jose and failed in the league.

They would find other excuses to diminish the achievements of Jose, I can imagine:
'' he parked the bus all day long and won on away goals'', '' CL is more about luck, the EPL is a marathon'' , '' the final was luck, we were actually outplayed''.

You guys try everything to diminish Jose's achievements, some stupid examples:

- Transfers were bad, Jose asked for them and didn't get them - and it was Jose's fault only.
- Players came back overweight as professionals with million salaries - but it is Jose's fault.
- He is destroying Eden Hazard - yes that's why Eden won all the player of the year awards last year?
- He treated John Fearn and Eva the same way while Eva made a stupid post on FB and is suing the club - Jose is a sexist and Eva a goddess.
- We actually played full strength Liverpool and Spurs in the COC - but the league cup doesn't count as a real trophy.
- The media always makes jokes of us and Jose defends us - Jose is embarrassing the club.
- Many FA/ref decisions were against us in the last few seasons and Jose speaks out - Jose is embarrassing the club.
- Guardiola got outplayed 2 times by Barca and Real while Jose lost on away goals - Guardiola is god, he was fighting and Jose is a pussy.
- Jose is having the first bad spell in his career - Jose is a fraud.
- He can only park the bus in big games - what about Arsenal (6-0), City away (0-1), United (3-1) for example and his tactics at Real, Inter (beat Bayern 2-0 in final), and Chelsea (first spell)?
- Right now it is CL >>>> EPL for the Anti Jose Crew - both are the biggest trophies you can win, the Premier league is seen as the best league in the world because it's the most competitive one.

If you guys don't know so much, just shut up, you guys are embarrassing yourself. Come with facts, no made up history stories based on your hate for him or statements based on tactics of 1 game you have ever seen in his career.

This manager has a 12 year long career, 8 league titles, 2 CL titles + reached 6 more semifinals + more other cups. He never finished outside the top 2 till 2013/14 where he finished third in the league. Holds many records, including our league records of 2004-05, the records of Real Madrid 2011-12, and made some new records in his last season with us.



12 year of continuous success and you guys are bashing him and calling him a fraud after 12 games in the league? Man just save yourself.

[Miki-Liki 405]

12 year of continuous success and you guys are bashing him and calling him a fraud after 12 games in the league? Man just save yourself.

FFS, no matter how many times you mention all the problems, you guys will just keep on saying "oh, you want him out after one-two-three (the number keeps rising btw.) bad months, but he's the best coach ever, he said so himself".

[BlueLion. 21,491]

They prefer PL because it is more attainable. People with low standard will say PL. but you don't see Barca or Real fans saying the same thing, because their standard is higher. CL is the biggest club competition in the world, best of the best.

The PL has incredibly declined over the years, it is not a great league anymore. We were the runaway Champion, and we got outplayed by a 10 men PSG side. Not to mention they had a lot of injuries heading into the tie. PSG is not the standard of European football, they got demolished by Barca. It was really shocking how easy it was for Barca, it was really a reality check for me. That we are going comfortably win the league, but we are far from being one of the best in Europe.

I am kinda slowly but surely realizing that we have lost our ambition to be elite. First with our summer transfer window, now sticking with Mou in spite of being 16 with almost 1/3 of football being played.

Btw why isn't it surprising Mou hardcore defendants are the one saying PL>CL.

I'm not a 'Mou hardcore defendant' but I do back our manager. However I maintain CL>PL,

[manpe 10,861]

I want to know TC members opinion on the following

1) do you accept the assertion that Chelsea under Jose are always too cautious when facing any team as good or better than Tottenham!?

2) do you thhink Jose will ever change?

3) do you not mind Chelsea being so passive all the time in big games ? do you want that to be part of chelsea's identity?

1) Not always, but quite often.

2) No.

3) I do mind, you can't win anything by being passive. No I don't want it to be part of the itentity, it's for losers. And by passive I don't mean cautious or defensive, I mean lazy.

We also get gloryhunters for winning the league.

A gloryhunter is a gloryhunter. Whether he/she's a local, non-local or a living in a different country. I can easily say Chelsea's real fans are the fans living in South London (which isn't true, but you should get the point).

In fact IMO it's more embarrassing for someone who lives in London, supporting Manchester United or Man City (unless they moved to London but was a Manchester boy). I live in London and when I was in high school, there were a lot of United fans.

You can't escape gloryhunters.

I think after this season there will be no gloryhunters left. Being bottom of the barrel in some sense cleanses the club.

[stroey 2,525]

FFS, no matter how many times you mention all the problems, you guys will just keep on saying "oh, you want him out after one-two-three (the number keeps rising btw.) bad months, but he's the best coach ever, he said so himself".

You are guys acting like the media, putting so much importance on every single game. Why can't Jose have a bad season like Klopp had last season?

Let's do a simple math and say missing the CL is failure. He's had 12 full seasons and the current one will be his 13th.

Let's assume he will finish the season and won't make top 4. That's a failure rate of 1/13= 7.7%. I'd hire a manager with a success rate of 92.3% any day.

Or maybe we should look at the 12 league games this season. He's never had a run of games like this before in his career.

He's had 12 seasons, that are 10 * 38 games + 2* 34 (Portuguese league) = 448.

12 games + 448 are 460 in total. 12/460 games = in 2.6% of his league career he's having such a bad run. Not that bad, is it?

Based on what do you think he can't make us win again? Based on history, based on pure speculating, or based on your hate towards him?

[Clockwork 1,794]

isn't it only the quality, of the top PL teams that has declined? the midtable and lower teams are better than ever, and all can bring in good players.

Buying better players does not always equal better product on the pitch.

What good is a Ferrari if you use it like a fiat?

I can't say if the mid table have gotten better, the drop off at the top gives a perception it has. It is not reality.

[Essien19 1,415]

Buying better players does not always equal better product on the pitch.

What good is a Ferrari if you use it like a fiat?

I can't say if the mid table have gotten better, the drop off at the top gives a perception it has. It is not reality.

I don't think the likes of Payet, Cabaye, Cedric, Van Diyk and so on are currently used as a fiat.

They dominate and and their teams are playing to their strengths.

For me the so called small teams have stepped up big time and no other league has that amount of competition in their league!

[Miki-Liki 405]

You are guys acting like the media, putting so much importance on every single game. Why can't Jose have a bad season like Klopp had last season?

Let's do a simple math and say missing the CL is failure. He's had 12 full seasons and the current one will be his 13th.

Let's assume he will finish the season and won't make top 4. That's a failure rate of 1/13= 7.7%. I'd hire a manager with a success rate of 92.3% any day.

Or maybe we should look at the 12 league games this season. He's never had a run of games like this before in his career.

He's had 12 seasons, that are 10 * 38 games + 2* 34 (Portuguese league) = 448.

12 games + 448 are 460 in total. 12/460 games = in 2.6% of his league career he's having such a bad run. Not that bad, is it?

Based on what do you think he can't make us win again? Based on history, based on pure speculating, or based on your hate towards him?

And you've done it again. Impressive.

It's quite amusing how you can easily disregard and ignore any argument against Mou. We are NOT talking about 12 bad games, we are talking about our shit and cowardly football, empty promises to promote youth (Loftus Cheek to get a run of games, does anyone remember that?), awful squad management etc.

But still, your next post is going to be like:

[Essien19 1,415]

And you've done it again. Impressive.

It's quite amusing how you can easily disregard and ignore any argument against Mou. We are NOT talking about 12 bad games, we are talking about our shit and cowardly football, empty promises to promote youth (Loftus Cheek to get a run of games, does anyone remember that?), awful squad management etc.

But still, your next post is going to be like:

Lets use simple maths.

Which football manager has won more cups than Mourinho during the last 12 years?

Which manager tested himself in the 3 big countries?

Name me one, please!

[Fernando 6,743]

Lets use simple maths.

Which football manager has won more cups than Mourinho during the last 12 years?

Which manager tested himself in the 3 big countries?

Name me one, please!

I think this is distorted because of the teams he managed. They had money to spent.

Look at crappy Mancini how he did with the Inter before Mourinho got there and then City.

Now Pellegrini that never won much of anything win trophies with City.

You need to look at context as well my friend.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

They prefer PL because it is more attainable. People with low standard will say PL. but you don't see Barca or Real fans saying the same thing, because their standard is higher. CL is the biggest club competition in the world, best of the best.

The PL has incredibly declined over the years, it is not a great league anymore. We were the runaway Champion, and we got outplayed by a 10 men PSG side. Not to mention they had a lot of injuries heading into the tie. PSG is not the standard of European football, they got demolished by Barca. It was really shocking how easy it was for Barca, it was really a reality check for me. That we are going comfortably win the league, but we are far from being one of the best in Europe.

I am kinda slowly but surely realizing that we have lost our ambition to be elite. First with our summer transfer window, now sticking with Mou in spite of being 16 with almost 1/3 of football being played.

Btw why isn't it surprising Mou hardcore defendants are the one saying PL>CL.

I can't speak for they but in my case it has nothing to do with which competition is more attainable. This is a view I've held since 1968 and for most of that period neither trophy was attainable.

I can accept the argument that the CL is possibly the best competition but the biggest? How do you measure biggest? Perhaps your personal definition of biggest would be such that the CL comes out on top, but no doubt there are other definitions too.

It's clear that the PL has declined and is punching well below its weight. For too long clubs, particularly our own, have allowed themselves to be mugged off paying the highest average fees and highest average wages, for players who are not, on average, of the highest quality. We need to turn that around but it is tough because the super clubs on the continent can compete with ours financially and also benefit form the cultural factors we are all aware of.

We were indeed outplayed by PSG but don't forget that we were also outplayed by many sides domestically. Paris managaed to get the result they deserved because they converted from set pieces. Many of the teams that outperformed us domestically didn't get the same breaks.

I don't see how you can claim that we've lost our ambition. It's clear that we have not pursued them very effectively but I see no justification for your claim. Who knows what factors were considered at board level over the summer and which resulted in the squad building policy that was applied? Certainly not you or me. My own guess is that the club forgot who our manager is and perhaps believed that our squad was better than in fact it is.

In my opinion the slump we are suffering now is long overdue. Throughout Roman's time we have tended to recruit players with qualities rather than players of quality. It is why for almost all of that time our side has been clunky and has never established a reputation for high quality football. Until we fix that it won't matter who the manger is. Until we are cured of watching Suarez but deciding to buy Torres instead, of being offered Aguero but deciding to pass, of thinking it helps our club to extend Ramires's* contract we will be stuck with trying to win in the only way such a group can win. Even then but for Jose and Eden dragging this sub-standard group over the line, we would never have won the league last season.

*Unless of course this was done to secure a transfer fee.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

I want to know TC members opinion on the following

1) do you accept the assertion that Chelsea under Jose are always too cautious when facing any team as good or better than Tottenham!?

2) do you thhink Jose will ever change?

3) do you not mind Chelsea being so passive all the time in big games ? do you want that to be part of chelsea's identity?

1) If you're asking from the start of the game then YES, Jose always treats big game as the game of chess and try this to become as unwatchable, dire and stalemate as possible. That game against Atletico in 13-14 season at Calderon with 0-0 was the dullest game in the CL I have ever seen. Yet that was probably perfect game for Jose or almost perfect if we could nick one goal away from one of the few corners/freekicks.

2) If he will be kicked out of the club, then rejected by few big clubs who don't want his style of play at their clubs and takes sabbatical to rethink his old tactics then YES. I can't think of any other reason why would he change.

3) NO, never. I hate when we're in submission. I don't care about result as I'm too frustrated to watch this (unless it's CL semi or final). I never demand that we control the ball etc. but when we're playing purely on the counter I like to see that we're pressing and attack with numbers.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

I'll defend Mourinho tooth and nail - Fabregas

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1862/premier-league/2015/11/13/17263052/ill-defend-mourinho-tooth-and-nail-fabregas?ICID=HP_HN_1

Get in the queue Cesc.

[Reddish-Blue 2,701]

You are guys acting like the media, putting so much importance on every single game. Why can't Jose have a bad season like Klopp had last season?

Let's do a simple math and say missing the CL is failure. He's had 12 full seasons and the current one will be his 13th.

Let's assume he will finish the season and won't make top 4. That's a failure rate of 1/13= 7.7%. I'd hire a manager with a success rate of 92.3% any day.

Or maybe we should look at the 12 league games this season. He's never had a run of games like this before in his career.

He's had 12 seasons, that are 10 * 38 games + 2* 34 (Portuguese league) = 448.

12 games + 448 are 460 in total. 12/460 games = in 2.6% of his league career he's having such a bad run. Not that bad, is it?

Based on what do you think he can't make us win again? Based on history, based on pure speculating, or based on your hate towards him?

I hate people that can't see the bigger picture. This isn't Mourinho FC, it's Chelsea FC.

For all the talk of Mourinho being the best manager and having the best record at Chelsea, he keeps on failing in the UCL, season after season.

[Reddish-Blue 2,701]

I'll defend Mourinho tooth and nail - Fabregas

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1862/premier-league/2015/11/13/17263052/ill-defend-mourinho-tooth-and-nail-fabregas?ICID=HP_HN_1

Rather than talking to the media, he should be fighting tooth and nail on the pitch and producing assists for Costa.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

I want to know TC members opinion on the following

1) do you accept the assertion that Chelsea under Jose are always too cautious when facing any team as good or better than Tottenham!?

2) do you thhink Jose will ever change?

3) do you not mind Chelsea being so passive all the time in big games ? do you want that to be part of chelsea's identity?

1. No. We are necessarily cautious.

2. I hope not.

3. I mind it very much but i) how many Barcelona players do we see standing about in front of the ball when they are out of possession and ii) take Pep back to Barca, give him the squad that Di Matteo took to the Nou Camp that night and see how he sets up.

Mikel plays too slowly and crucially, his passes lack pace often forcing the receiver to stop to collect them, Oscar can't pass, Ramires can't pass, our full backs can't pass, Willam slows the game and misses almost every time he tries a decisive pass, Costa has heart but lacks the technique of a top quality striker. Only an idiot would send our full backs bombing forward knowing there is is high degree of certainty that, by the time they get there, the opposition will have the ball.

[Clockwork 1,794]

I don't think the likes of Payet, Cabaye, Cedric, Van Diyk and so on are currently used as a fiat.

They dominate and and their teams are playing to their strengths.

For me the so called small teams have stepped up big time and no other league has that amount of competition in their league!

They are not Ferrari either.

You missed the point. There will always be standout players in every league, everything is given important in a relative way. Everything can not be monotonous, there is no such thing as reality only a perception of reality exist.

Are you still following me?

The players you listed are standing out in comparison to others. I can not say they are good players, but I can say they are good in comparison to other players in the league. This phenomenon exsist everywhere. They just don't get the hype and media attention players in the EPL gets.

The players you mentioned were almost in complete obscurity before arriving. They didn't become good or worse.

What I can conclude is that these great EPL teams are sucking in CL and EL, this as certain I can be.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

You are guys acting like the media, putting so much importance on every single game. Why can't Jose have a bad season like Klopp had last season?

Because Klopp took over club that was borrowing money from Bayern to not be relegated few divisions down or even ceased to exist. That's why he was given that final season even though every sign was that it was all over between him and players/club.

Jose is managing club with 5th biggest budget (or 7th if you include that fake Man City and PSG incomes) with young squad and yet he delivers the worst attacking performances from players of that caliber with no results either. Everyone knows that parting way with Klopp was great decision as Dortmund is one of the best sides at the moment. How would you say that it's not the same with our manager ?