The Mourinho Thread

[Thendo 1,088]

Great to see the club backing the manager in times like these. If we finally want to keep a top manager around for the long run and not be seen as the club with the revolving door philosophy as we have before, we should'nt pull the trigger so soon after he guided us to a long awaited PL title even if we do look like a mess atm.

But I really hope he uses this break to work on some fresh ideas, maybe try some new formations/tactics. Something really needs to happen, but sacking José at this very moment is not the best solution in my opinion.

[Pizy 19,377]

Get outta here. We're 16th not battling for 5th. Even Messi wouldn't solve this mess.

Bullshit.

If we had Stones (or any top CB) and a star midfielder like Koké/Pogba etc from day 1 and played Baba in place of Ivanovic so he'd gel with the team we wouldn't be anywhere near as bad.

People placing the huge majority of blame on the manager are blind. An equal amount or more goes on players performing embarrassingly. Take out a couple of them and replace them with other (better) ones and we'd be better off. He had the opportunity and the desire to bring those players in and we failed to do so.

[MetsajCFC 1,255]

Get outta here. We're 16th not battling for 5th. Even Messi wouldn't solve this mess.

You're saying it like it's April or May already, its early October. Get a grip, seriously. We have a realistic chance of turning it around and even winning something.

[Jase 43,479]

   

The post match games and the late start to the summer training are correlated ... and Jose has a say in that, I blieve

Not when it comes to post-season tours. No manager in their right mind would agree to having the players travel abroad and play against some random teams after a long season. It's because the club care so much about $$$$$ that we have had post-season games twice in 3 years.

Well this is only the first step.

The problem I mentioned before as well is that if the club is going to back him like Wenger, then they need to give him more power like Wenger.

The reason why SAF and Wenger have stayed a long time is because they have total control.

Will never work with any manager to stay a long time if he is limited in control.

Well, if Mourinho wants to get more power, then he needs to earn it. He needs to show the willingness to change, adapt and be flexible because right now, his stubbornness and management style are not convincing many people.

[Azul 1,615]

We wanted RLC but he drops Matic for him ffs. What's wrong with this guy? Matic needs to be in the pivot with RLC! FABREGAS NEEDS TO BE DROPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!! It also looks like he is using excuses to back Ivanovic smh! I've lost all the confidence I've had after I read his interview............ Something always has to be wrong with his selections ALWAYS

[Jase 43,479]

Of course Jose won't be sacked! This mess isn't his fault! He is the best manager on the planet, hopefully the plastics will pipe down now! Jose and the players will turn this around and the clueless people who have been embarrassing themselves having meltdowns will be left feeling very stupid.

Seriously people, if you want to make a point about something, just make it. Don't need to go around calling other fans 'haters', 'fanboys', 'plastics' etc. Like I said yesterday, such posts only serve to create a toxic atmosphere, which we do not want to see on TalkChelsea. If you don't agree with the opinion of others, then argue, debate, discuss in a polite manner. Otherwise, agree to disagree and/or learn to ignore them!

[didierforever 7,349]

No no I agree with you but stop with your negativity mate. Try to think in different way. It's like your club is your enemy right now.

the club is not my enemy. but the person making the wrong decisions for the club is.

[didierforever 7,349]

Liverpool are without a manager NOW, though. Are you going to go to Klopp and say "wait until the end of the season and we MAY sack Mourinho?" He strikes me as a guy who will be romanticizing about the "history and prestige" of Liverpool and will jump at the chance to manage them.

And you really think a player manager with no experience can do a better job than one of the best in football history? Come on, mate.

did not pep do exactly that with bayern?

we wanted him and he told us to shove it up our asses.

so if we give him a pre-contract or fire jose NOW. why would not he take the job?

the player manager will make decisions for the benefit of the club. not for himself.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

You really think that if we had landed Stones (who was superb until he got injured) and a top class midfielder we'd be in this position now? They would've made a huge difference.

It has been proven time and time again that new, top class signings energize and raise the morale of the current players.

Yeah, we'd probably be all the way up in 11th had we gotten them!

I'm sorry, but I despise this nonsensical mentality. Individual quality is obviously a factor but our problems run A LOT deeper. If it were solely on individual quality then how in the world are we in 16th when we have better individual quality than every team in the EPL apart from 2 or 3?! This is basically the same XI that walked the league last season!!

Oversimplifying the issues to one or two buys is running away from the real problems in my eyes. We have to realize that confidence, motivation, mentality, tactics, physical readiness...etc. have all been equally important if not more so than one or two signings.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

The club got credit for buying the players he wanted last summer, and getting them early. Both he and the club got rightful praise for it.

Now the club should get stick for not buying the players he wanted, and they have to get stick for buying players he didn't want and in the case of Papy, has never even seen play!

[Pizy 19,377]

Yeah, we'd probably be all the way up in 11th had we gotten them!

I'm sorry, but I despise this nonsensical mentality. Individual quality is obviously a factor but our problems run A LOT deeper. If it were solely on individual quality then how in the world are we in 16th when we have better individual quality than every team in the EPL apart from 2 or 3?! This is basically the same XI that walked the league last season!!

Oversimplifying the issues to one or two buys is running away from the real problems in my eyes. We have to realize that confidence, motivation, mentality, tactics, physical readiness...etc. have all been equally important if not more so than one or two signings.

It's only nonsensical to people who want to put this all on the manager. Most of those factors you listed are down to the players.

Confidence? How the hell can they not be confident after strolling the league? Motivation? The club has talked of creating a dynasty and emulating the great teams of the past. What more motivation do they need? Physical readiness and mentality? We were MILES better than ANY other side in the division last season in this respect.

Tactically, yes, José needs to be FAR more progressive and frankly needs to open his eyes and see the bloody obvious. But to blame him for professional athletes who were fantastic a season ago just going to shit overnight is wrong to me. He definitely deserves flak but the players deserve MUCH more.

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

[DYC. 7,542]

Yeah, we'd probably be all the way up in 11th had we gotten them!

I'm sorry, but I despise this nonsensical mentality. Individual quality is obviously a factor but our problems run A LOT deeper. If it were solely on individual quality then how in the world are we in 16th when we have better individual quality than every team in the EPL apart from 2 or 3?! This is basically the same XI that walked the league last season!!

Oversimplifying the issues to one or two buys is running away from the real problems in my eyes. We have to realize that confidence, motivation, mentality, tactics, physical readiness...etc. have all been equally important if not more so than one or two signings.

Two or three teams? That's harsh. Only City. Utd and Arsenal don't possess more quality.

Fact is Chelsea have been declining since Jan but the manager failed to find a way to combat the issue. That's my issue with Mourinho. What's happening now is extreme but it doesn't change the fact that this side is one-dimensional and that's unacceptable at this level.

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

[DYC. 7,542]

It's only nonsensical to people who want to put this all on the manager. Most of those factors you listed are down to the players.

Confidence? How the hell can they not be confident after strolling the league? Motivation? The club has talked of creating a dynasty and emulating the great teams of the past. What more motivation do they need? Physical readiness and mentality? We were MILES better than ANY other side in the division last season in this respect.

Tactically, yes, José needs to be FAR more progressive and frankly needs to open his eyes and see the bloody obvious. But to blame him for professional athletes who were fantastic a season ago just going to shit overnight is wrong to me. He definitely deserves flak but the players deserve MUCH more.

We saw a similar occurence under Ancelotti. For a long while the entire team looked like crap in 10/11. Ancelotti was blamed (thank God for that late run to finish 2nd). He also won the double the season before.

This is even worse (Tomo disagrees with me). Why not blame Mourinho?

[cfcs most wanted 657]

[CHOULO19 24,332]

It's only nonsensical to people who want to put this all on the manager. Most of those factors you listed are down to the players.

Confidence? How the hell can they not be confident after strolling the league? Motivation? The club has talked of creating a dynasty and emulating the great teams of the past. What more motivation do they need? Physical readiness and mentality? We were MILES better than ANY other side in the division last season in this respect.

Tactically, yes, José needs to be FAR more progressive and frankly needs to open his eyes and see the bloody obvious. But to blame him for professional athletes who were fantastic a season ago just going to shit overnight is wrong to me. He definitely deserves flak but the players deserve MUCH more.

Absolutely no idea how you got from that I'm putting all on the manager.

Confidence and mental readiness are incredibly complex things. We can all have theories why they seem to be low with the team right now but watching us play I don't think anyone can argue that those two factors are not obviously lacking. When Matic on several occasions can't make simple 10 yard passes, or when Hazard hesitates every time he gets into the final third to give just two examples those are not down to lack of individual quality but mental solidness.

Jose is a great motivator, you can argue even the best, but his 'Us vs The world" technique has never been tested long term and we could well be seeing the down side of it. In terms of confidence, none of those players have ever experienced a run like this, it's only normal that their confidence is so obviously down. The mood around the club also plays a huge role. The issues with Eva, Costa...etc. are certainly not having a positive impact.

You've also left our physical readiness, which Jose himself admitted that he knew would be way behind everyone else's because of the late and terrible preseason we had. But we still went ahead with it anyway. So yes, there are obviously a lot of people responsible for the various factors that are causing this shambles. It's incredible simplistic to attribute to the lack of one or two signings.

[Adnane 1,101]

We saw a similar occurence under Ancelotti. For a long while the entire team looked like crap in 10/11. Ancelotti was blamed (thank God for that late run to finish 2nd). He also won the double the season before.

This is even worse (Tomo disagrees with me). Why not blame Mourinho?

Ancelotti had lost squad depth and various important players, Ballack, Deco and so on.

This is a totally different case where the same personnel are performing awfully.

[Pizy 19,377]

We saw a similar occurence under Ancelotti. For a long while the entire team looked like crap in 10/11. Ancelotti was blamed (thank God for that late run to finish 2nd). He also won the double the season before.

This is even worse (Tomo disagrees with me). Why not blame Mourinho?

Mourinho isn't on the pitch playing, the players are. The same ones that walked the league. Mourinho isn't on our left wing, he isn't in midfield, and he isn't a defender.

He sets them out and prepares them just has he did last season when they were good. They're not performing to standard.

[kmk108 1,186]

Good. This is as much a test for Abramovich and the board as it is for Mourinho.

Mourinho must change his tactics and selections to make a difference.

Abramovich and the board must learn trust and patience.

If we get out of this (just play better. Don't focus on "we must get here or win this") it'll go a long way for everyone involved.