Tomo 21,751 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I don't understand the whole Hodgson thing no offense but regarding Drogba you clearly talked about his last two seasons. He was 3rd choice in 13/14 and he was the second choice under AVB in 11/12 before Di Matteo took over. In 2011 Drogba had malaria problems he couldn't perform after that so we decided to buy Torres who was absolute horsehit and when Didier decided to step up and perform you know what happened. He didn't get a free way pass he earned his spot over Torres.I said last two seasons off hisfirst spell, which was 10/11 and 11/12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamad138 190 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I want him sacked if he dtarts ivanvic again didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul 1,615 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I said last two seasons off hisfirst spell, which was 10/11 and 11/12.I misunderstood but I fail to understand your point though. I'm clearly saying that when players or managers do not perform regardless of their stature in the club they should be criticized. Is criticising even forbidden nowadays? Jose is making huge mistakes by putting Ivanovic in and starting Mikel etc don't you agree? Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,952 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I want him sacked if he dtarts ivanvic againit's a 100% certainty that he starts against Maccabi. Baba will still be "injured" I would think. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I want him sacked if he dtarts ivanvic againIvanovic can handle maccabi small team. But if he starts against arsenal however, one on one with Sanchez and we concede again from his wing, I'll lose all my remaining hope in Mourinho and turn to MrBlueGuy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Ivanovic can handle maccabi small team.I would not be so sure nowadays i'll cross my fingers kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Is losing to Arsenal going to be the final straw? After arsenal, we have southampton, newcastle, villa and west ham which should be all wins...Honestly, in those 4 game stretch, if we drop more than 6 points, Jose should be sacked,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I misunderstood but I fail to understand your point though. I'm clearly saying that when players or managers do not perform regardless of their stature in the club they should be criticized. Is criticising even forbidden nowadays? Jose is making huge mistakes by putting Ivanovic in and starting Mikel etc don't you agree?I'm not saying he shouldn't be criticised, its when you said if it was Benitez, that's the part I challenged, of course he would have got a lot harsher criticism, Mourinho no matter what happens from now is a legend in this club, Benitez ain't. The same way Zola could return to manage us, relegate us, yet the fans will still love him, compared to if some randomer came in and did the same then he would be universally despised for taking us down.The bit about Hodgsdon/Dalglish is the former got chased out of Anfield for a poor spell at the club, Dalglish has an even worse spell in 2012 and is still a hero, point being if you have already built a legacy at a club like Mou and Kenny has here and in Scouseville respectively, there will be people that cut him some slack when they hit the skids. Essien19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! BXL70 396 Posted September 14, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted September 14, 2015 Hi guys, I am new to the forum. First post.Let me introduce me: I was a regular follower of Chelsea away games in the 90s and had to give up because of relocation abroad. Having said that, I am watching all matches.My opinion is the following:1. José Mourinho: he has lost the dressing room. He also lost the medics since this outburst with Eva. It is all very linked. That was a major mistake he made: any disagreements should be discussed internally, not publicly disclosed as he did during the press conference, and as ugly and disrespectful as it was. Besides, he should stop saying that the team deserved better. No, we are just dreadful to be honest. Besides, he fails to introduce new young talented players, he just sticks to his (old) favorites. Zouma is an exception. But Rémy, for example, will remain forever the third choice, even if he plays at his best. How to motivate the players under these circumstances? 2. Quality of the players: some Chelsea players are over-rated. Hazard is a case in point. Very inconsistent. He is under-performing for Chelsea currently. But he also does for his national team, Belgium. The coach of Belgium made it clear that he was the worst player on the pitch during the national duties and that he wanted to substitute them. After two matches. Why the hell is that guy still on the pitch after 5 dreadful displays for Chelsea? Same for Ivan and Fabregas (who was btw kicked out of Barca) among others.3. Transfer policy: Chelsea brought in some 'high profile' players ... that will never get back to the levels they had before their (recurrent or major) injuries. Examples? Diego Costa and Falcao. First one has to cope with recurrent injuries; second had his leg broken in France; was subsequently kicked out of Monaco, and kicked out MU. Still, he was hired by CFC. Sorry for him, but what to expect from a broken leg? And Pedro was just a substitute at Barca. Problem is that although we do not sign top-rated players, we are selling ... our top players to our main competitors: Cech, Kevin De Bruyne, Mata, etc. lionsden, laura90, Muzchap and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid Angel 2,130 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Exactly. Somehow I do not want him to get axed, because I dread the club to be once again in a managerial merry-go.Even though, the time will come — probably sooner than later — when we will have to part our way with him. And to be honest, I think he just has a few games to get things right. Unlike Manchester United, we cannot afford to undergo a few dark years. We neither are a major brand nor have we that "history" to fall back upon. To stay at the top, we are heavily dependant to successful results. A year without CL football could prove to be catastrophic for us — especially if that happens after a season dotted with fiasco such as what happened with Carneiro, i.e. a very bad publicity for the club. Moreover, comes May, Manchester City will most certainly have as many PL trophies in their cabinet as us... Just let that sink in... Our rank within English football could take a huge damage...We clearly have to make things happen — and quickly. However all the odds are against Mourinho here. First off, his past history advocates against him : his first stint at this club, and his spell at Real... and as for Inter one could say he left the ship before it sank. Furthermore, our troubles are not new. They are visible since the start of the calendar year — and I put emphasis upon the notion "visible", as they existed long before that. Though, nothing has been done last season ; the situation was not addressed this summer, quite the contrary ; and nothing is being done to change things right now, i.e. same line-up and mentality/tactics over and over again.Bearing that in mind, one could certainly wonder is the right manager for the futur. And by that I mean both the end of the seasons and forthcoming seasons. Whether you like it or not, his position at the club has to be questionned. Regardless of the results, if he is not even able to change his intents, whether it be the strategy, the style of play, the tactic or the starting line-up... Then he does not left the club with many choices but to sack him...It's quite telling about Football fans to be honest and how short-sighted we can be. From January to the end of the season we played rubbish Football, Cesc was atrocious, Ivanovic was at blame for plenty of goals and we had horrible tactics for plenty of important games, like Psg at home. Now, nothing has changed, except the results. Most of our fanbase keeps on talking about long-term plans and such, but even we are a problem in this crisis. Peace., lionsden and Styles 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I'd imagine that Ivanovic will start against Maccabi and how he performs will set his fate in stone. If he's shit on Wednesday and then plays against Arsenal on Saturday then I think I'll change my stance.If RLC doesn't start this one I will also be annoyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,536 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Is losing to Arsenal going to be the final straw? After arsenal, we have southampton, newcastle, villa and west ham which should be all wins...Honestly, in those 4 game stretch, if we drop more than 6 points, Jose should be sacked,.crystal palace should've been a win..Newcastle away I doubt it..who knows about the others.At the moment West brom was a shock result so I can see us dropping points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samzilla 517 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 2 seasons ago: Little horseLast season: Thoroughbred horseThis season: Glue factory horse? Muzchap, Bluelsthecolour and Styles 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabHazard 655 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Hi guys, I am new to the forum. First post.Let me introduce me: I was a regular follower of Chelsea away games in the 90s and had to give up because of relocation abroad. Having said that, I am watching all matches.My opinion is the following:1. José Mourinho: he has lost the dressing room. He also lost the medics since this outburst with Eva. It is all very linked. That was a major mistake he made: any disagreements should be discussed internally, not publicly disclosed as he did during the press conference, and as ugly and disrespectful as it was. Besides, he should stop saying that the team deserved better. No, we are just dreadful to be honest. Besides, he fails to introduce new young talented players, he just sticks to his (old) favorites. Zouma is an exception. But Rémy, for example, will remain forever the third choice, even if he plays at his best. How to motivate the players under these circumstances? 2. Quality of the players: some Chelsea players are over-rated. Hazard is a case in point. Very inconsistent. He is under-performing for Chelsea currently. But he also does for his national team, Belgium. The coach of Belgium made it clear that he was the worst player on the pitch during the national duties and that he wanted to substitute them. After two matches. Why the hell is that guy still on the pitch after 5 dreadful displays for Chelsea? Same for Ivan and Fabregas (who was btw kicked out of Barca) among others.3. Transfer policy: Chelsea brought in some 'high profile' players ... that will never get back to the levels they had before their (recurrent or major) injuries. Examples? Diego Costa and Falcao. First one has to cope with recurrent injuries; second had his leg broken in France; was subsequently kicked out of Monaco, and kicked out MU. Still, he was hired by CFC. Sorry for him, but what to expect from a broken leg? And Pedro was just a substitute at Barca. Problem is that although we do not sign top-rated players, we are selling ... our top players to our main competitors: Cech, Kevin De Bruyne, Mata, etc.Great first post...where were you when we were winning the league?....lost the dressing room...if anything he loves his players so much that he keeps on playing his favourites again and again which is where he made mistake...what i guess is he is probably thinking that these players won the league last time...so it is obvious that he gives them time to improve and perform better because they deserve that atleast...which is one of the reason why i think he keeps on playing them despite their bad form..yes mourinho made some mistakes ...most important ones are ivanovic in starting xi and exiling remy....but i trust him to turn this around...and i trust the players to do better because everyone knows that this is not their level Essien19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Doonican 4,186 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 2 seasons ago: Little horseLast season: Thoroughbred horseThis season: Glue factory horse? Pantomime horse Mourinho at the front. Ivan at the back with the big rear end and his head up Mourinho's arse. zolayes and Styles 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Pantomime horse Mourinho at the front. Ivan at the back with the big rear end and his head up Mourinho's arse.are you sure its that way round ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmk108 1,186 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Is losing to Arsenal going to be the final straw? After arsenal, we have southampton, newcastle, villa and west ham which should be all wins...Honestly, in those 4 game stretch, if we drop more than 6 points, Jose should be sacked,.Newcastle away has been troublesome when we were good. I'm worried about how it would be if we're bad. West Ham thrashed Liverpool an have been a bit of trouble in the past.With our current form, I can see 6 points from those 4. I'm expecting anywhere between 3-7.What point total is so low that we drop further into crisis? Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Hi guys, I am new to the forum. First post.Let me introduce me: I was a regular follower of Chelsea away games in the 90s and had to give up because of relocation abroad. Having said that, I am watching all matches.My opinion is the following:1. José Mourinho: he has lost the dressing room. He also lost the medics since this outburst with Eva. It is all very linked. That was a major mistake he made: any disagreements should be discussed internally, not publicly disclosed as he did during the press conference, and as ugly and disrespectful as it was. Besides, he should stop saying that the team deserved better. No, we are just dreadful to be honest. Besides, he fails to introduce new young talented players, he just sticks to his (old) favorites. Zouma is an exception. But Rémy, for example, will remain forever the third choice, even if he plays at his best. How to motivate the players under these circumstances? 2. Quality of the players: some Chelsea players are over-rated. Hazard is a case in point. Very inconsistent. He is under-performing for Chelsea currently. But he also does for his national team, Belgium. The coach of Belgium made it clear that he was the worst player on the pitch during the national duties and that he wanted to substitute them. After two matches. Why the hell is that guy still on the pitch after 5 dreadful displays for Chelsea? Same for Ivan and Fabregas (who was btw kicked out of Barca) among others.3. Transfer policy: Chelsea brought in some 'high profile' players ... that will never get back to the levels they had before their (recurrent or major) injuries. Examples? Diego Costa and Falcao. First one has to cope with recurrent injuries; second had his leg broken in France; was subsequently kicked out of Monaco, and kicked out MU. Still, he was hired by CFC. Sorry for him, but what to expect from a broken leg? And Pedro was just a substitute at Barca. Problem is that although we do not sign top-rated players, we are selling ... our top players to our main competitors: Cech, Kevin De Bruyne, Mata, etc.so I take it you never watched Hazard play last season then? Stingray, Barbara and Essien19 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Arsenal hasn't really been playing as good as most predicted, including myself....I thought they would be more dominant team with the squad they have, but have been somewhat overrated...We could win, however, our team is on terrible form and they will most likely have the motivation to kill us all as domestic competitors for the title this year with the win... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,536 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Playing poor but still 6 points ahead..probably win and then go back to what so far seems normal for us this season.Surely can'make it 3 league losses in a row..The problems are clear and have been since pre season and yet seems unwilling to change anything.Needs to just take a sodding risk now maybe play a few youth.Our team at the moment is crap so can hardly make it worse by doing so.Just taken leaps backwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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