Chelsea in pole position for Guardiola

[Rmpr 8,977]

He has 2 years in his contract to be amazing.

Henrique, you have some serious problems. I will try to explain in portuguese...

Eu falei que o RDM pode se tornar um tecnico brilhante daqui 4-5 anos, entendeu? O que isso tem a ver com o fato de ele ter que provar sua capacidade antes do contrato dele terminar ou antes dessa temporada terminar?

Claro que ele tem que provar que pode treinar o Chelsea para o Roman extender seu contrato, mas eu falei que acho que se o Di Matteo ficar por a longo prazo, ele pode acabar provando ser um excelente tecnico daqui uns 4-5 anos.

I am not saying your argument isnt right, but it has nothing to do with what I said.

[Tomo 21,681]

He doesn't have any credit for bringing out the talent in Barca's powerful trio,

He might not have promoted Xavi, Iniesta and Messi but he took them up an extra few levels, he made them what they are.

Xavi and Iniesta were reguarly on the bench under Rijkaard, including the 2006 CL final when only Iniesta came on.

Messi was a young talent under the Dutchman, but it was Pep who made him the worldbeater he is today.

Don't get me wrong i want us to stick with RDM, but this myth going around that Pep was an lucky passenger on the Barca train is worse than the myth that Drogba was crap in his first two season's at Chelsea, the guy is genius, period.

[Henrique 9,133]

Henrique, you have some serious problems. I will try to explain in portuguese...

Eu falei que o RDM pode se tornar um tecnico brilhante daqui 4-5 anos, entendeu? O que isso tem haver com o fato de ele ter que provar sua capacidade antes do contrato dele terminar ou antes dessa temporada terminar?

Tudo a ver (haver é errado para esse caso). O tópico era sobre o Guardiola, que supostamente está interessado em se tornar técnico do Chelsea em pouco tempo, então você disse que o RDM poderia se tornar um treinador brilhante em 4 ou 5 anos. O Chelsea poderia se dar ao luxo de deixar o Guardiola escapar apostando que o RDM vai ser um cara brilhante em 4 ou 5 anos?

No seu próprio post você citou uma filosofia de vida do seu professor, e a única maneira de você ter 100% de certeza que trocar o RDM pelo Guardiola seria um mal negócio, seria se o italiano fizesse um trabalho sensacional nesses 2 anos que ele tem de contrato. Aí sim teríamos um situação de trocar o certo pelo duvidoso. Atualmente RDM também é uma aposta, que mesmo tendo ganhado uma UCL ainda gera desconfiança em boa parte da imprensa e em boa parte da torcida. Guardiola por outro lado é um dos técnicos mais desejados do mundo. RDM tem essa temporada para mostrar que não é mera aposta, que é um cara em quem se vale a pena investir. Guardiola já provou que é.

[MetsajCFC 1,255]

Why do some posters insist on bringing Torres into every thread? We have a thread dedicated to him in the Player Database section, so if you want to criticise him, do it there.

I'm pointing out that it's ridiculous to even think about managerial changes if we've got players in the squad who don't give a damn if we win or lose, to put it lightly.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Tudo a ver (haver é errado para esse caso). O tópico era sobre o Guardiola, que supostamente está interessado em se tornar técnico do Chelsea em pouco tempo, então você disse que o RDM poderia se tornar um treinador brilhante em 4 ou 5 anos. O Chelsea poderia se dar ao luxo de deixar o Guardiola escapar apostando que o RDM vai ser um cara brilhante em 4 ou 5 anos?

No seu próprio post você citou uma filosofia de vida do seu professor, e a única maneira de você ter 100% de certeza que trocar o RDM pelo Guardiola seria um mal negócio, seria se o italiano fizesse um trabalho sensacional nesses 2 anos que ele tem de contrato. Aí sim teríamos um situação de trocar o certo pelo duvidoso. Atualmente RDM também é uma aposta, que mesmo tendo ganhado uma UCL ainda gera desconfiança em boa parte da imprensa e em boa parte da torcida. Guardiola por outro lado é um dos técnicos mais desejados do mundo. RDM tem essa temporada para mostrar que não é mera aposta, que é um cara em quem se vale a pena investir. Guardiola já provou que é.

1. Voce inverteu a citaçao do meu professor (que nao tem qualquer relaçao com a filosofia de vida dele), ele disse que nao é para se fazer uma troca se voce nao tem 100% de certeza que essa troca sera melhor do que ja existe.

2. Eu disse que o RDM, caso permaneça no CFC, se tornará um brilhante tecnico no futuro (4-5 anos).

3. O Di Matteo esta fazendo um otimo trabalho (até o momento).

4. Sucesso no Barcelona nao garante sucesso na Inglaterra. Guardiola só teve o Barcelona como teste. Nao da pra ter certeza de que ele prosperara de novo (ai que entra meu professor).

5. Eu acredito no Pep, mas ainda nao estou convencido que ele é uma melhor opçao que o RDM. Por isso, ainda nao acredito que o Pep é a escolha certa no momento. Teremos que esperar a temporada se desenrolar.

6. Haver está totalmente errado, culpe o Ipad que troca as palavras automaticamente...

[The Skipper 20,593]

I'm pointing out that it's ridiculous to even think about managerial changes if we've got players in the squad who don't give a damn if we win or lose, to put it lightly.

Not really a Torres defender but you're taking what he said out of context.

[MetsajCFC 1,255]

Not really a Torres defender but you're taking what he said out of context.

I'm sorry if I come across like that but it's not even what he has or hasn't said in his interviews, I also take into account his body language shown on the pitch and it says "I don't give a damn", for me he is a closed folder. There's nothing to make me re-evaluate that fact. Even if he does go on a goal scoring spree, the question for me will be "for how long?" I admit I might be biased but we are all entitled for an opinion. I respect yours, so no offence.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

@Henrique, @Rmpr, English ONLY please. If you want to discuss something in Portuguese, feel free to make use of the PM system.

[klopfzeichen 78]

This is just too much a discussion for a Marca "piece" that some spanish journo put together out of thin air while he was in between cigarettes.

[Reddish-Blue 2,226]

@Rmpr,

How do you know RDM will become a brilliant manager in 4-5 years? That's just estimation.

I'd never say no to Pep or Jose..but RDM won the UCL so deserves the chance to coach Chelsea until the end of his current deal.

If RDM does well enough, Abramovich will keep him on board...if he doesn't meet Abramovich's standards, then maybe we'll see a new manager at the helm.

[Rmpr 8,977]

@CHOULO19, relax...

I startaed it because I could express myself better in portuguese, since he was not understanding. It has ended already!

@Reddish-Blue,

However, I believe RDM can do an amazing job if he stays for 4-5 years. I like everything about him; knowledge, serenity, player management, etc. Di Matteo lacks experience and we never expereinced him under huge pressure, but that will eventually come.

I do not know, I believe he will...

[RamiCFC9 258]

The fact many are considering in actually having Pep over here over RDM is at the highest order cringe worthy and plastic.

There is no plastic only successful type personality and failure type personality, loser.

[Kezza 1,965]

There is no plastic only successful type personality and failure type personality, loser.

:doh: :doh:

Thats all I can put down..Just WOW.

[Azpinator 2,325]

He might not have promoted Xavi, Iniesta and Messi but he took them up an extra few levels, he made them what they are.

Xavi and Iniesta were reguarly on the bench under Rijkaard, including the 2006 CL final when only Iniesta came on.

Messi was a young talent under the Dutchman, but it was Pep who made him the worldbeater he is today.

Don't get me wrong i want us to stick with RDM, but this myth going around that Pep was an lucky passenger on the Barca train is worse than the myth that Drogba was crap in his first two season's at Chelsea, the guy is genius, period.

Xavi was regularly on the bench? Really? Wow. Apart from Xavi, after the 2006 final, all three players were regulars, particularly in Rijkaard's final season.

We'll see if he's truly a genius when he manages another club.. You might as well say that he was the one that invented Barca's style of playing, not Cruyff.

[RamiCFC9 258]

:doh: :doh:

Thats all I can put down..Just WOW.

Well u can fukoff aswel.

[didierforever 7,349]

pep over rdm!!! hmmm.... NOT FOR A FUCKING MILLION BUCKS....

[OneMoSalah 8,615]

Xavi was a regular on the bench? Really? Wow. Apart from Xavi, after the 2006 final, all three players were regulars, particularly in Rijkaard's final season.

We'll see if he's truly a genius when he manages another club.. You might as well say that he was the one that invented Barca's style of playing, not Cruyff.

This. If Rinus Michels (man known for creating the idea of Total Football) didn't go to Barca, Cryuff probably wouldn't have ended up there and then you could say neither would Van Gaal have or Rikjaard. Effectively meaning Pep's team wouldn't suit the philosophy as much as they wouldn't have been brought up playing that sort of football in their academy so yeah... the Dutch influence in that club was at least 20 years of work which gave Pep a set of players tactically and technically good enough to try and recreate Total Football. Barca don't even play total football, its tiki taka which has much more emphasis on keeping the ball moving rather than the players interchanging positions to confuse the other team whilst keeping a good solid shape.

[Tomo 21,681]

Xavi was regularly on the bench? Really? Wow. Apart from Xavi, after the 2006 final, all three players were regulars, particularly in Rijkaard's final season.

We'll see if he's truly a genius when he manages another club.. You might as well say that he was the one that invented Barca's style of playing, not Cruyff.

Speaking of his final season, look at Barca they were a mess, 3rd in the league, 10 points behind Villareal, nearly 20 behind Real, Deco, Ronaldinho and Eto'o's (Thuram and Zambrotta to lesser extent too) ego's going into overdrive.

Pep got rid of 4 of those 5 players, Eto'o only survived due to a change off attitude. Pep made the decision to build his side around Iniesta, Xavi and Messi, something that paid off handsomely, not to mention his decision to promote Busquets and Pedro.

Crediting anyone other than Pep for what he done at Barca is like giving Ranieri all the credit for what Mourinho did for us, just because he signed a few off the players.