sutro 1,026 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 This discussion has nothing to do with hazards talent which is undeniable. it is about whether people are overrating his importance and contribution to chelsea a tad and making bold judgement based on potential i,e what could be rather than what is hence the Ronaldo (man utd) and Bale (spurs) comparison. when I read statements to the effect of he's worth more than those 2 players transfer fee, then question has to be raised.You have some valid points, i wont deny that but let me ask you this question.Where do you think Chelsea would stand in the epl table right now without Hazard?Some games like Sunderland, Swansea and liverpool come across my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1chelsea 864 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Do u know I will rob whatever paper/money they bring forward for hazard in my ass and won't even bother I did it. What do u think of Messi when come transfer windows like this for years no body try to look up Barca face and say I really want to buy Messi off u guy why because your money what nothing to them so I believe is a value piece for Chelsea at the moment so I guess will do the same by giving them the finger didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Sheva. 5,373 Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted January 8, 2014 You have some valid points, i wont deny that but let me ask you this question.Where do you think Chelsea would stand in the epl table right now without Hazard?Some games like Sunderland, Swansea and liverpool come across my mind Not just games he has scored in, but there are games he doesn't even play well and still plays a vital part in the creating of chances with his dribbling and vision.For me, selling Hazard is not even worthy of a discussion. Top clubs for the most part do not sell their best player, especially not when this said player has not expressed any desire to leave, and is still just at the tender age of 23. Barbara, Shane, Stingray and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutro 1,026 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Not just games he has scored in, but there are games he doesn't even play well and still plays a vital part in the creating of chances with his dribbling and vision.For me, selling Hazard is not even worthy of a discussion. Top clubs for the most part do not sell their best player, especially not when this said player has not expressed any desire to leave, and is still just at the tender age of 23.Agree but to my feeling in the games i mentioned he really carried us. Sheva. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 You have some valid points, i wont deny that but let me ask you this question. Where do you think Chelsea would stand in the epl table right now without Hazard? Some games like Sunderland, Swansea and liverpool come across my mind Not just games he has scored in, but there are games he doesn't even play well and still plays a vital part in the creating of chances with his dribbling and vision. For me, selling Hazard is not even worthy of a discussion. Top clubs for the most part do not sell their best player, especially not when this said player has not expressed any desire to leave, and is still just at the tender age of 23. Exactly. It would make no sense tbh. Not from a players point of view, a trainers/managers point of view or even a policy point of view .... The financial point of view ... That would be weird considering Abrahimovic is our man, you would need to spend heavy to replace him + you risk dislodging the team again just now that we are gelling. Also: Hazard was/is that kind of youngster that doesn't come around to often. If you would replace him with a player in his prime - same quality: what would that cost us? Mufassir08 and sutro 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1chelsea 864 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 It is what it is: Take the stats for example. Hazard: 9 epl goals (3 european goals as well), 11 assists, 5 mom in a team like Chelsea, 7.3 on whoscored (whatever that means - just to compare) Michu: 18 epl goals (being a striker), 2 assists, 6 mom in Swansea, 7.13 on whoscored Walcott: 14 epl goals, 10 assists, 1 mom in Arse, 7.21 on whoscored. What consistency do you base it on then? Hazard was also younger, his first season, played in a much more demanding team in transition, the trainer stuff, .... You can debate it, but it is nowhere near as clear cut as you seem to imply. You are missing one very key information and factor here, appearances. Chelsea played more competeive games than Swansea and arsenal lasts season which skews the figure considerably given Hazard featured in more games. and moreover stats doesn't always tell the whole story. for example willian in that carling cup game against arsenal was brilliant and did everything perfectly well other than score or assist a goal. does that mean he has had an inferior performance to someone who has an underwhelming game but pops up with a goal or assist? as it very often happens in football. There was no way on the evidence of last season that hazard deserved that award. Well I fuck your option this "There was no way on the evidence of last season that hazard deserved that award" why? Because I know you just don't pick whoever u want to give that award you merit large part which is see across league but don't need to say mush in defending hazard here he alway the threat all manager put into consideration when setup their team. Damn man don't u see 2,3 on him all the time he still try to give a decent pass even under pressure. I really hate this topic u brought up but I love u please no homo but we can use soap if u like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouletje 82 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 On a Side note, the hazard and Ronaldo comparison, it's bs imo, i know when i look at a compilation video of both and the things i see hazard doing is magic imo. Ronaldo scores the goals i know, but purely on who i enjoy watching the most hazard is the winner.Don't know if it's the fact I'm belgian or the fact that Ronaldo is an arrogant asshole that makes My choice, it's like the Ronaldo Messi comparison i enjoy watching Messi alot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishBlue 426 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I really love to watch Ronaldo I have to admit. But the the best thing is to see our Hazard playing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Ignoring defenders and midfielders. was Hazard ahead of players like Michu and walcott on the basis of consistency week in week out last season?. which is the criteria any award should be based on anyway.Lol Walcott is possibly the most inconsistent player to ever grace this earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 On a Side note, the hazard and Ronaldo comparison, it's bs imo, i know when i look at a compilation video of both and the things i see hazard doing is magic imo.Ronaldo scores the goals i know, but purely on who i enjoy watching the most hazard is the winner.Don't know if it's the fact I'm belgian or the fact that Ronaldo is an arrogant asshole that makes My choice, it's like the Ronaldo Messi comparison i enjoy watching Messi alot more.Well, Ronaldo used to do magic when he was younger. At Lisbon and at Man utd, lots of step overs and sick goals, was a pleasure to watch, even as a rival. Now he's different though - he plays like a striker and scores tap ins or headers every game. Not as fun to watch as before, but his consistency is absolutely amazing. Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Barbara 15,149 Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted January 8, 2014 I don't know where the idea of discussing how much he's worth starts (well I do, with someone that thinks the rightful star of this squad is Mata).Eden Hazard carried this team on his back at the start of last season when he's assisted and scored and the reason why we led the league back then. Then the last three-four months of the season it was him who shone as well.This season - as usual - it took him a while to be at the top of his game and then he's started influencing our matches like he did last season. most important of all, although he's younger than Mata and by definition more raw and less experienced and mature, still he's proved to be more willing to adapt. Hazard's game depends on his freedom much more than Mata's does (Eden is a counter-attack catalyzer, the less freedom he has, the less lethal he'll be), still the kid worked it around and now he tackles, recovers possession, help the FB, presses and still leads our attack. If anything I would have expected Eden to have more problems embracing the changes than Mata did, but the kid is proving his worth.He's not for sale and if anything Chelsea better work on his and Oscar's contract extension when they start their 3rd season with us and set some un-payable release clause on them (Eden even more so than Oscar). They've proved no matter who the manager or the system is, they're willing (and capable) of adapting and still offering a lot for the team. Not that I think Mourinho is going anywhere, any time soon... Keikoismad, MAF, darrus and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukakutoStamford 779 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 This thread seemed to take a left turn somewhere. The CIES football observatory ranked him 4th with a value of 55.5 -64.5 million Euros and that was as of this summer.Ronaldo was 3nd witha value of 102.2-118.7 million, Bale was 9th with a value of 43.5 to 50.6 million euros Despiadado.Maleante 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton 2,120 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Daily mail says €80m..They can forget it, we won't sell him for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 We're not going to sell our best player, bullshit story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Paris Saint-Germain will need to pay in the region of €60m to bring Eden Hazard to the club, according to Le10SportWe have got to be serious here, and say that if Gareth Bale is worth €100m, then Eden is, at the least, worth €90m. However I'd be happy to part with Eden for €80m, plus Lavezzi and Zlatan. It's a fair deal. Mouri_Matic, Korea and iceboy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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