The Next Manager?

[Cosmin 2,484]

8 hours ago, LAM09 said:

European experience is one thing, but the bolded is pure ignorance. Had you heard of Scaloni prior to him doing the double with Argentina (they've only lost five games out of 59)?

To the surprise of many, football exists outside of Europe, and River Plate are amongst the biggest clubs around. 

That aside, I wouldn't personally advocate for him; we know what happened with Scolari.

I reckon @Pizy meant that Gallardo never managed a big European club. Which is true. While River are a historic club in South America, the culture there is totally different from the one in Europe, especially in England. You don't hear about River spending hundreds of millions of pounds on one or two players, they are usually a feeder club for European teams. And it's usually the 2nd or 3rd tier teams that buy from them, not even the elite. They deserve respect and are a huge footballing institution. But bringing to Chelsea a manager who had a 53,77% winning ratio with River would be a crazy thing to do, in my opinion.

Gallardo is actually a free agent now, after quitting the River job in November 2022. Everybody would be put under huge pressure once they decide to take over at Chelsea, but at least you know that people such as Enrique or Nagelsmann were put in similar situations in the past. For Gallardo, it would be something completely new. In my opinion, Gallardo should only be taken into account if Boehly & Co. buy another club (e.g. Strasbourg), and only once he proves that he can handle himself well there, then he can become an option for Chelsea. 

Edited April 12, 2023 by Cosmin

[Pizy 18,953]

11 hours ago, LAM09 said:

European experience is one thing, but the bolded is pure ignorance. Had you heard of Scaloni prior to him doing the double with Argentina (they've only lost five games out of 59)?

To the surprise of many, football exists outside of Europe, and River Plate are amongst the biggest clubs around. 

That aside, I wouldn't personally advocate for him; we know what happened with Scolari.

Meh. Not impressed with Scaloni. Or any manager that’s coaching international football, really. Especially one that had the greatest player in history putting in Man of the Match performances every single game and had other world class performers as well. 
 

And I wasn’t trying to belittle River. I know they’re massive in South America. But I still think it would be a massive risk to appoint someone who has never managed in Europe. I’d say the same thing if we were linked with the manager of some mega club in Brazil. Yes, they may be at the pinnacle of the sport in South America, but the quality of the competition is nowhere near the PL.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

I am actually surprised we have bee  linked with Gallardo and not Jorge Sampaoli - although he just got linked to the Nottingham Forrest job today. He is someone who again I think would be incredibly risky though. His career has went averagely a bit though

[LAM09 7,062]

7 hours ago, Cosmin said:

I reckon @Pizy meant that Gallardo never managed a big European club. Which is true. While River are a historic club in South America, the culture there is totally different from the one in Europe, especially in England. You don't hear about River spending hundreds of millions of pounds on one or two players, they are usually a feeder club for European teams. And it's usually the 2nd or 3rd tier teams that buy from them, not even the elite. They deserve respect and are a huge footballing institution. But bringing to Chelsea a manager who had a 53,77% winning ratio with River would be a crazy thing to do, in my opinion.

Gallardo is actually a free agent now, after quitting the River job in November 2022. Everybody would be put under huge pressure once they decide to take over at Chelsea, but at least you know that people such as Enrique or Nagelsmann were put in similar situations in the past. For Gallardo, it would be something completely new. In my opinion, Gallardo should only be taken into account if Boehly & Co. buy another club (e.g. Strasbourg), and only once he proves that he can handle himself well there, then he can become an option for Chelsea. 

The comments below have nothing to do with Europe in the slightest, and they are what I had issue with.

16 hours ago, Pizy said:

never mind a TOP club 

16 hours ago, Pizy said:

As I said here in the days right after Potter was sacked, a manager with BIG CLUB experience should be the first prerequisite.

 

4 hours ago, Pizy said:

Meh. Not impressed with Scaloni. Or any manager that’s coaching international football, really. Especially one that had the greatest player in history putting in Man of the Match performances every single game and had other world class performers as well. 
 

And I wasn’t trying to belittle River. I know they’re massive in South America. But I still think it would be a massive risk to appoint someone who has never managed in Europe. I’d say the same thing if we were linked with the manager of some mega club in Brazil. Yes, they may be at the pinnacle of the sport in South America, but the quality of the competition is nowhere near the PL.

Messi didn't win the WC singlehandedly. Additionally, Scaloni won the Copa America the year before. Whether or not you consider these accomplishments deserving is solely on you.

As I stated above, my issue was with your description of the club. Discussing each candidate's credentials based on their history is valid.

[Cosmin 2,484]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

The comments below have nothing to do with Europe in the slightest, and they are what I had issue with.

I am not trying to play lawyer or anything, but he said “a dude who has never even managed in Europe, never mind a TOP club“. 

From here, I understood that he meant Gallardo never managed a European club, nevermind a top (European) one. But my logic might be flawed.

In any case, I don't think anyone here is disrespecting River Plate, it's just that that's a completely different world of football, compared to the European one.

And bringing a manager from there straight to an elite club in Europe would be a gamble to say the least. In my opinion, it would be completely idiotic and just another proof that our new owners are absolutely clueless.

By the way, the last time such a situation happened was when Barcelona appointed Gerardo Martino, because Messi liked him. That was a complete disaster. 

 

Edited April 12, 2023 by Cosmin

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

If we count only this season this is how I rate Chelsea managers:

1) Bruno 

2) Potter 

3) Tuchel 

4) Lampard

[Mário César 1,284]

hired lampard was so so wrong 

lets see what will happen next season but we need a total reboot 

[Tomo 21,751]

I can't believe I'm actually saying this but if we wanted a caretaker manager we should have asked Roy.

[robsblubot 3,595]

31 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I can't believe I'm actually saying this but if we wanted a caretaker manager we should have asked Roy.

Always thought Potter would make a great interim manager until a real manager arrived. 😅

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

Potter last 5 games after 3 wins we draw Everton and lost against Villa. Bruno draw with Liverpool. But in these 3 games we had xG around 2,5. Lampard couldn't reach that in 2 games. We are actually regressing. 

Edited April 12, 2023 by NikkiCFC

[Tomo 21,751]

2 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Always thought Potter would make a great interim manager until a real manager arrived. 😅

Don't really think that would have been fair on him, would mean many potential next jobs would come and go while he's here as a sitting duck.

Reason i namedropped Roy is because he was a good safe pair of hands for England in the Euro's when Cappello suddenly quit and you would hope we wouldn't have been stupid enough to give him the full time gig like the FA did.

[robsblubot 3,595]

28 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Don't really think that would have been fair on him, would mean many potential next jobs would come and go while he's here as a sitting duck.

Reason i namedropped Roy is because he was a good safe pair of hands for England in the Euro's when Cappello suddenly quit and you would hope we wouldn't have been stupid enough to give him the full time gig like the FA did.

I understand that we are talking about promise at times, which is subjective, but I just don't see enough tangible experience in Potter's prior work to warrant the opportunity he's got. Potter is still making more money than he ever made before--and likely he will make anytime soon, so could just have kept him doing whatever he was doing before. The prior work part notoriously affects the sway the manager has with the players.

Makes sense to keep an interim at this point until the "right" manager becomes available, or can be made available. I have no trust in the current owner tho... arrogant and lost at the same time--a pretty bad combo.

[DDA 9,941]

We are in serious trouble... Lampard as manager... what a fucking dumb decision that was. I have been backing these owners as I want it to work but this is one monumental fuck up. Its actually beyond embarrassing.

[Mário César 1,284]

35 minutes ago, DDA said:

We are in serious trouble... Lampard as manager... what a fucking dumb decision that was. I have been backing these owners as I want it to work but this is one monumental fuck up. Its actually beyond embarrassing.

I told a lot of times in shed forum the same

It was a abysmal decision

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

10 minutes ago, Mário César said:

I told a lot of times in shed forum the same

It was a abysmal decision

And you were probably in minority there. Most of the people there are deluded. 

[Blue Armour 4,448]

'We have an important game against Wolves on Saturday and then we will turn our attention to our Champions League quarter-final in Madrid next week. We are all going to give Frank our full backing as we aim to get the best possible outcome from all our remaining games.'

Just your regular reminder about what these morons said.

Probably sat down with Dr. Strange to see all the possible outcomes to make this shit decision.

Fuck off you twats. 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Blue Armour

[Laylabelle 9,536]

Mean its not like we were great before..maybe creating less but still weren't scoring so all is happening is its all carrying on which us expected to be honest...

[Strike 7,494]

We are devoid of any ideas on the pitch now. The last two games have been worse than any in the Potter run barring Spurs away. 
 

The board deserves this for hiring Lampard without so much as a recruiting process 

[Mário César 1,284]

14 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

And you were probably in minority there. Most of the people there are deluded. 

My problem with our board is that they said this "lampard was unfair fired"

wtf?

it will be long 10 years... I hope we enjoyed our recent sucess and thats it 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Mário César

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Chelsea invite Julian Nagelsmann to 'present his ideas' to club chiefs, as their search for a permanent manager goes on... as Blues 'offer the German coach and Luis Enrique to meet with them' before making a final decision

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11968779/Chelsea-invited-Julian-Nagelsmann-present-ideas-club-chiefs.html

https://m.bild.de/sport/fussball/bayern-muenchen/julian-nagelsmann-Chelsea-laedt-ex-bayern-trainer-zum-bewerbungsgespraech-83540504.bildMobile.html?t_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F