Chelsea Transfers

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

We want both Rice and Tchouameni? Thought it was one or the other?

Surely that means Jorginho is off?

[Pizy 18,552]

  On 15/02/2022 at 17:07, MoroccanBlue said:

We want both Rice and Tchouameni? Thought it was one or the other?

Surely that means Jorginho is off?

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You can completely write that tweet off because of that. No chance we’d be after two players who have the exact same role.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

  On 15/02/2022 at 17:07, MoroccanBlue said:

We want both Rice and Tchouameni? Thought it was one or the other?

Surely that means Jorginho is off?

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Only one of them not both.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

  On 15/02/2022 at 17:11, Pizy said:

You can completely write that tweet off because of that. No chance we’d be after two players who have the exact same role.

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Yes, in reality we need 2 DMs (starter and backup) in order to play the back four. Personally i would sign Kamara for free and save the money for other positions. Rice can wait until next year when his price would be cheaper than this summer.

Edited February 15, 2022 by Blues Forever

[chelsea_4_eva 1,167]

Sell Lukaku please.

[Vesper 29,448]

  On 15/02/2022 at 16:52, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

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Marquinhos was #CFC dream but PSG won’t sell him.

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[Superblue 6,372]

  On 15/02/2022 at 17:07, MoroccanBlue said:

We want both Rice and Tchouameni? Thought it was one or the other?

Surely that means Jorginho is off?

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I believe we need one but I think it would be silly to buy both when you're likely looking north of £150m for the two.

I think to add one of the two to Kova, Kante and Jorginho we'd have an incredible blend of different midfield types that Tuchel could utilise. 

I wouldn't be prepared to let Jorginho or Kante be moving on any time soon. Firstly and especially when we have players on big contracts who are contributing far less at present. Saul will leave and Barkley and RLC I think would be moved on before the likes of Jorgi and Kante are considered.

I also think people are far too quick to write players off nowadays once they hit 30. We only have to look at the incredible output we've had from Thiago Silva who will be going into his third year next season having joined at nearly the age of 36. Who would have expected this to last that long? But his big game experience to the squad as a whole is just as crucial as his performances on the pitch. 

Players like Fernandinho at City and Henderson at Liverpool may not play every game any more and become more managed as they get older, but the experience for their clubs is vital and we have to be careful that we don't lose that. Yes our younger players have won a couple of trophies now which is massive for the future, but if we're going to mount a sustained title bid we need some of those experienced heads around the squad. With the future of Rudiger and Azpi still up in the air, it would be silly to let too much of that experience leave at the same time.

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

You mention Fernandinho and Henderson but neither of which are utter liabilities off the ball as Jorginho is. If one of Kante or Kovacic aren't at 110%, we are vulnerable in midfield. 

[NikkiCFC 8,122]

  On 16/02/2022 at 21:05, MoroccanBlue said:

You mention Fernandinho and Henderson but neither of which are utter liabilities off the ball as Jorginho is. If one of Kante or Kovacic aren't at 110%, we are vulnerable in midfield. 

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Do you remember us conceding any goals last couple of years because of Jorginho liabilities off the ball? 

[King Kante 1,563]

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[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

  On 16/02/2022 at 21:58, NikkiCFC said:

Do you remember us conceding any goals last couple of years because of Jorginho liabilities off the ball? 

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Yes. 

[NikkiCFC 8,122]

  On 16/02/2022 at 22:08, MoroccanBlue said:

Yes. 

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I don't. 

[King Kante 1,563]

  On 16/02/2022 at 21:58, NikkiCFC said:

Do you remember us conceding any goals last couple of years because of Jorginho liabilities off the ball? 

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Honestly Nikki, I do not know a more Crack smoking m'fecker than you when it comes to Chelsea player's. 

Firstly, when it comes to niché/ loaned out players; you seem to have a pretty good grip on who will make it or not (apart from Mount who is twice any player who try to compare him against; bar James/Broja and CHO.

Honestly, you could be the best poster on here by an absolute mile; if only you could just get over your opinion and politics. 

Edited February 16, 2022 by King Kante

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

  On 16/02/2022 at 22:17, NikkiCFC said:

I don't. 

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I’d say get your eyes checked but I remembered who I’m speaking to. We play with a bloody back 5 in the first place because Jorginho is useless off the ball. We are unable to put more attackers in the box in fear of getting carved open. 

Edited February 16, 2022 by MoroccanBlue

[Vesper 29,448]

I know this is so not a 'Vesper' thing (older (just turned 33yo) player, and a semi-desperation move)

but shit, it would have been nice to pick up Ivan Perišić in January for LWB

he was one of the few Inter players who gave Pool some serious trouble at times

he has been reborn at that position, and he is deffo a winner ( 9 topflight trophies (3 league titles and a CL included) and counting, plus WC runner up where he played a monster role) and an old head who doesn't get rattled

Edited February 16, 2022 by Vesper

[NikkiCFC 8,122]

  On 16/02/2022 at 22:27, King Kante said:

Honestly Nikki, I do not know a more Crack smoking m'fecker than you when it comes to Chelsea player's. 

Firstly, when it comes to niché/ loaned out players; you seem to have a pretty good grip on who will make it or not (apart from Mount who is twice any player who try to compare him against; bar James/Broja and CHO.

Honestly, you could be the best poster on here by an absolute mile; if only you could just get over your opinion and politics. 

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There are only 2 players from day one that was clear will be big players for Chelsea. James and Gallagher. All others would put in lower level. Can be in Chelsea squad but not for highest level as starter to fight for title.

What my opinion is controversial?

  On 16/02/2022 at 22:31, MoroccanBlue said:

I’d say get your eyes checked but I remembered who I’m speaking to. We play with a bloody back 5 in the first place because Jorginho is useless off the ball. We are unable to put more attackers in the box in fear of getting carved open. 

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Would you say same thing if he was playing for City? Systems can protect players liabilities. I know this is not his strength but like I said we dont suffer because of that so it is irrelevant to even mention it.

DM should never be isolated in runs in transition. It should be prevented by system.

Italy barely conceding goals and won EURO and they play 433? Jorginho does not seems liability there, in fact he was voted for 3rd best player in universe.

Also do I need to google that he had most tackles and interceptions and recoveries during CL last season and EURO? This is essential defensive stat for any player even defenders and yet you focus on some imaginary situation that happens once in 2 years? Even if we concede a couple of goals every season only because of this it would still not be a problem. Jorginho being bad defensively is big myth.

And I suppose you want to replace him with Rice player who could not touch the ball in EURO final because of Jorginho...

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

  On 16/02/2022 at 23:28, NikkiCFC said:

Would you say same thing if he was playing for City? Systems can protect players liabilities. I know this is not his strength but like I said we dont suffer because of that so it is irrelevant to even mention it.

DM should never be isolated in runs in transition. It should be prevented by system.

Italy barely conceding goals and won EURO and they play 433? Jorginho does not seems liability there, in fact he was voted for 3rd best player in universe.

Also do I need to google that he had most tackles and interceptions and recoveries during CL last season and EURO? This is essential defensive stat for any player even defenders and yet you focus on some imaginary situation that happens once in 2 years? Even if we concede a couple of goals every season only because of this it would still not be a problem. Jorginho being bad defensively is big myth.

And I suppose you want to replace him with Rice player who could not touch the ball in EURO final because of Jorginho...

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So I imagined Jorginho getting absolutely bullied against Brighton’s midfield on two occasions? I imagined Leeds running circles around Jorginho for 90 minutes? I imagined both Soucek and Rice taking the mickey out of Jorginho back in December? I imagined in literally almost every match day thread, posts saying we lost the midfield? You are fooling, comically fooling yourself to suggest Jorginho’s liabilities off the ball are a fabrication. We are so defensively solid because of our backline and Mendy. This system protects our midfield but becomes a trade off as it restricts our attack when we lack creative players on the pitch. 
 

Hard to be a defensive liability for Italy when you have Bonucci, Chiellini. Barella, and Verratti all in the same team. And let’s be real, this is the same individual award that had Salah outside the top 10. 
 

I can say for an it utmost certainty you are alone in your analysis. Football isn’t solely based on statistics and anyone with 20/20 vision can see Jorginho is incredibly weak off the ball. Sarri recognised this and opted for a conservative possession approach after Arsenal carved us open in midfield. Lampard took Jorginho out the team entirely and Tuchel reverted to a back 5, and is now utilising Kante + Kovacic more. 
 

 

 

[NikkiCFC 8,122]

  On 17/02/2022 at 01:20, MoroccanBlue said:

So I imagined Jorginho getting absolutely bullied against Brighton’s midfield on two occasions? I imagined Leeds running circles around Jorginho for 90 minutes? I imagined both Soucek and Rice taking the mickey out of Jorginho back in December? I imagined in literally almost every match day thread, posts saying we lost the midfield? You are fooling, comically fooling yourself to suggest Jorginho’s liabilities off the ball are a fabrication. We are so defensively solid because of our backline and Mendy. This system protects our midfield but becomes a trade off as it restricts our attack when we lack creative players on the pitch. 
 

Hard to be a defensive liability for Italy when you have Bonucci, Chiellini. Barella, and Verratti all in the same team. And let’s be real, this is the same individual award that had Salah outside the top 10. 
 

I can say for an it utmost certainty you are alone in your analysis. Football isn’t solely based on statistics and anyone with 20/20 vision can see Jorginho is incredibly weak off the ball. Sarri recognised this and opted for a conservative possession approach after Arsenal carved us open in midfield. Lampard took Jorginho out the team entirely and Tuchel reverted to a back 5, and is now utilising Kante + Kovacic more. 
 

 

 

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I remember we had more possession in all these games. As far as I know, he got MOTM against Leeds. But even if what you are saying is true did we concede any goals because of him?

Brighton set pieces both goals, go watch highlights from Leeds and WH games you will not find Jorginho responsibility in any goals expect that back pass for Mendy but again you are speaking about off the ball and that goal is 99% on Mendy. So where is the damage?

Also it would suit him more to play 433 than this system. Only Rudiger, Mendy and Azpi played more minutes this season and last season if you count only TT games I am sure he is in top3.

What Lampard did tells more about him than Jorginho as proven later. He wanted to sell Rudiger as well - now best CB.

Sarri definitely did not do that because of Jorginho but because of other players who did not know how to play Sarriball.

4 named Italian players vs Silva, Rudiger, Kovacic and Kante. Dont see much difference in quality.

If you look for what TT said about Jorginho you will find only praise. In fact, he tried to get him in PSG, just like Pep did in City.