Chelsea Transfers

[Superblue 6,372]

16 minutes ago, Jas said:

Isn't that kinda worse, in that the club want him now on the back of a good season as opposed to basing on proper scouting, regardless of personal/team success? 

Possibly but then it's also possible that they had reservations to certain aspects of his game that they've now seen improve and develop over the last 12 months.

For me, I'll sit on the fence with Rice. He's clearly not as comfortable on the ball in a progressive team as Jorginho is but he does offer a different skillset which we don't have within the squad, i.e. an old fashioned holding midfielder with good pace and a good engine and a big physical presence. Tuchel maybe looking at having that alternative option to sometimes change the way we play. For example some have mentioned about the possibility of changing to a back 4 at times to help with the offensive side of the team and Tuchel may be thinking the same, but feels he needs a more defensive presence then in midfield to balance things.

There is also the possibility that he can be viewed as an option for the defence which means we may be able to move someone like Zouma on to help towards funding a move. Or he does provide an option to change mid game between a back 4 to back 5 with him on the pitch, without needing to make sweeping substitutions. 

So he does bring a number of options and possibilities with him. It's a lot of money though for someone who I think still has areas of his game on the ball which need to continue to improve.

[Superblue 6,372]

4 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Think it’s all a moot point. Why would WH accept anything less than £100m or something? Unless Tammy is involved in the deal.

We’d be raving mad to spend that kind of cash straight up for a DM.

My brother in law is a hammers fan and is adamant the owners would find it hard pressed to reject anything in the £60m bracket. 

[NikkiCFC 8,369]

If we didn't sign Havertz I would be at least 40% less excited for this squad. 

I see many want Rice. His partner in double pivot in WH scored double digits last season. Isn't he better player? He didn't finish last 5 games at EURO for England. 

At one point we will move to 4atb and 3 midfielders. Rice and Mount would play. If we are committing to that MF for next decade we are also committing to no attractive, attacking, progressive football for the next decade as well. With pragmatic football usually everything falls apart after a year or two. 

[Fernando 6,590]

Lampard wanted Rice, and all the target he was aiming for have come good. 

So I trust Lampard in that. Not as good as manager but good at spotting talent. 

I mean if it wasn't for Lampard we wouldn't have Mount. 

If Lampard, the club and now Tuchel are on board with Rice then I'm happy with that. 

[DDA 9,983]

Apparently Timo Werner is open to a move away with being part of the deal to secure Haaland. 

🤔

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

 

[Clockwork 1,794]

I really don’t care for the loss of academy players, the chances they become great players are rare. Just hope the club has mitigated their risk; you don’t want cases like Salah,KDB, Lukaku(even thought I don’t rate him), etc. where they become fantastic players elsewhere.

Wonder what is causing them to all leave in unison.

[Styl1994 188]

29 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Lampard wanted Rice, and all the target he was aiming for have come good. 

So I trust Lampard in that. Not as good as manager but good at spotting talent. 

I mean if it wasn't for Lampard we wouldn't have Mount. 

If Lampard, the club and now Tuchel are on board with Rice then I'm happy with that. 

Tbf to Frank I think he is good at spotting players and helping them improve he just needs to work on the tactical side of his management. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

11 minutes ago, DDA said:

Apparently Timo Werner is open to a move away with being part of the deal to secure Haaland. 

🤔

This new? Or this continuing on from last weeks MARCA article? 

Edited July 22, 2021 by MoroccanBlue

[ZAPHOD2319 4,823]

2 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

This new? Or this continuing on from last weeks MARCA article? 

It is old reporting rehashed that was debunked.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,823]

This is getting some legs

 

[Jase 43,479]

16 minutes ago, DDA said:

Apparently Timo Werner is open to a move away with being part of the deal to secure Haaland. 

🤔

 

4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

This new? Or this continuing on from last weeks MARCA article? 

 

1 minute ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

It is old reporting rehashed that was debunked.

And ESPN went and talked about it like it's some sort of true story...

Werner literally spoke at length in May on why we doesn't want to leave, despite his struggles last season. 

If anything is gonna change, it'll be from the club side but nothing has come from the club side, nothing has been said by Matt Law, Simon Johnson etc. It also doesn't make sense wanting to sell him when the club and Tuchel are actively trying to get rid of Abraham. 

[Special Juan 28,187]

Talking over 100M in players sales if Tammy goes for 40M that includes 15M ish for Emerson

Time to spend.

[Jase 43,479]

7 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

This is getting some legs

 

It's only getting legs if someone is gonna actually make a move. Right now, we're in an "interesting" scenario with Abraham.

1. If Arsenal want him, they will have to sell players first - e.g. Lacazette - or otherwise, they won't be able to afford him. It's said that they want Abraham on loan but the club want to sell for £40 million.

2. Instead of selling to a direct rival, the club may use Abraham in a cash + player swap deal instead for Rice.

3. Matt Law said that the club don't want to sell Abraham without knowing that we will be able to sign a striker first and they also don't want to commit to a big deal for a striker without someone will take Abraham of us. 

It feels like something needs to happen for the domino pieces to fall...

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

I’m not trusting Law at the moment. He is the only one stating we are interested in Rice. 

[Pizy 18,985]

Bayern would sort of be in a similar position as we are if they sold us Lewa. All of the strikers you would imagine they’d want to replace him with are £100m+ players and they never spend that sort of cash.

Makes zero sense for them to let him go this summer. They’re most certainly positioning themselves for Haaland next year where they can sign away a German rivals best player like they always do.

[Jase 43,479]

12 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I’m not trusting Law at the moment. He is the only one stating we are interested in Rice. 

Err, Simon Johnson has also said it? Nizaar Kinsella for Goal? Jacob Steinberg for Guardian? That ExWhuEmployee fella? 

[Jase 43,479]

The Telegraph said we're also looking at Sergio Romero for the 3rd choice keeper role. Marcus Bettinelli is the other mentioned target.

[King Kante 1,643]

3 hours ago, Jype said:

Batshuayi, Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Zappacosta and Emerson all have just a year left on their high wage contracts though.

While those players are not good enough to play for Chelsea they are still good enough to play for many top flight clubs around European leagues. 

Assuming there are clubs who consider them good enough to play for them and are willing to pay market value transfer fees for these players with reasonable wages, Chelsea should only really have to subsidise the wages for the first year at their new club so in other words till the end of their current deals.

Surely the players themselves know they're not going to get wages like that anywhere else now that their stock has plummeted in recent years, so let's say they accept a 5 year deal at £50K/wk at their new club. Chelsea will pay the difference (£50-70K/wk) for the first year and after that they only receive the lower wage from their new club. That way the buying club will get the players on wages they're happy to pay and can even pay a fair transfer fee for the players (most should vary from around €5M-15M).

The real problem are players still on long-term deals like Kepa who still has four years left. No one is going to pay him as much as he currently makes and it's also difficult for Chelsea to subsidise the high wages for four years without getting anything in return. Most of the others on the list (especially Zappa, Drinkwater, Bakayoko) have been such problems before but are currently nearing the end of their contracts so it should be getting a lot easier to shift them.

Emerson and Zappa are slightly different, which is why I had them on a separate list. Those two may get a fee and a sale. The other three, no chance. 

I mean let's look at them: 

Drinky - possibly and alcoholic with mental health issues. No one is touching him.

Batsh*t - A CF that cannot do anything bar put the ball in the net. However, last season he only scored one goal for Palace and was behind Benteke and Ayew. Who is touching him at even £5m? Another problem is where he wants to go. Brugges apprantly offered us a fee and he rejected it as he thought he was to good to go there. 

Baka - One of the single worse seasons in Chelsea history and then has not convinced three teams to take him. No chance he leaves. 

[Jype 6,398]

29 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Emerson and Zappa are slightly different, which is why I had them on a separate list. Those two may get a fee and a sale. The other three, no chance. 

I mean let's look at them: 

Drinky - possibly and alcoholic with mental health issues. No one is touching him.

Batsh*t - A CF that cannot do anything bar put the ball in the net. However, last season he only scored one goal for Palace and was behind Benteke and Ayew. Who is touching him at even £5m? Another problem is where he wants to go. Brugges apprantly offered us a fee and he rejected it as he thought he was to good to go there. 

Baka - One of the single worse seasons in Chelsea history and then has not convinced three teams to take him. No chance he leaves. 

Yeah Drinkwater I definitely agree on. Nobody is going to take him, and the best we can hope for is a loan that covers even a portion of his salary.

Bakayoko on the other hand, despite being a total train wreck at Chelsea (3-4 years ago) has been a regular starter at all his loan clubs Milan, Napoli and Monaco who are all UEL-UCL level clubs in top leagues. Previous years he might have been unsellable because the club still had too much amortisation value left (so club couldn't afford to take a big one-off hit) and his contract may have been too big for potential buyers but I would be really surprised if there are no takers for him at €10-15M. During his loans he's not been anywhere near as bad as that one season in a Chelsea shirt, and in fact I've even heard he's been actually quite decent most of the time.

Edited July 22, 2021 by Jype