Erling Haaland

[King Kante 1,643]

9 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

I don't know what's up with this Dortmund said Haaland is not for sale and won't sold for any price, they said the exact same thing with Dembele and the moment Barca came up with a massive offer a few weeks later, he was gone.

Yeah, but they also said Lewa and Sancho weren't for sale and neither moved. Tbh, I think Håland will have to kick up a bit of a fuss to get a move, as I thibk Dembele really pushed for that Barca move. 

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, King Kante said:

To be fair, the window has only just opened. It will take for a few transfers to happen to grease the wheels. 

Still. A major reason why we went bonkers with the spending last summer because we already got the money from the sales of Hazard and Morata in the bag. 

We haven't heard many, if any, rumors about the others so far. So god knows if there's any interest or not.

[R2D2 368]

3 minutes ago, Jas said:

I don't remember what Dortmund said exactly back then but you left out a key part here - Dembele went AWOL, boycotted training etc to force the move.

Ok they said the same thing with Mkhitaryan they said he won't be sold and after got sold same summer, just face it mate if an 150 mil offer comes in there is almost no way any sane club refuses it, if you read through the Dortmund forum all are in agreement that if a 150 mil offer comes in he will be sold for certain.

Edited June 8, 2021 by R2D2

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1 minute ago, R2D2 said:

Ok they said the same thing with Mkhitaryan they said he won't be sold and after got sold same summer, just face it mate if an 150 mil offers comes in there is almost no way any sane club refuses it, if you read through the Dortmund forum all are in agreement that if a 150 mil offer comes in he will be sold for certain.

Did they say that with Mkhitaryan? The difference is he had only a year left on his contract then, which forced Dortmund to sell him as Watzke later admitted - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36693832.

But on the flip side, there are examples where Dortmund stood their ground with Sancho and Lewandowski. 

And what does fans' views have anything to do with this?

[Pizy 18,952]

26 minutes ago, chippy said:

There's also other factors that would make this a bad move.

The pressure on TT to win the league would be enormous. Basically, it would be a  'win it, or else' level of demand.

Way higher level of expectations on all the players.

Unprecedented level of expectation on one particular player. Just imagine the media frenzy if he failed to score in his first couple of games. There'd be radio phone-ins  just on Haaland. 

Being Champs of Europe + Haaland will get every other team extra fired up when they play us.

It could very quickly turn into a bit of a circus and end up  rather messy.

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe in years past this all would be true. But everyone expects our rivals to go big in the market too. City and United will both easily spend £150m. We may be considered favorites by many if we sign Haaland but as long as this City team is here there’s no way anyone can call it “title or bust” for us. Likewise if Liverpool have their CB’s fit. These are sides that are capable of getting 90+ points as they’ve shown.

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1 minute ago, Pizy said:

Maybe in years past this all would be true. But everyone expects our rivals to go big in the market too. City and United will both easily spend £150m. We may be considered favorites by many if we sign Haaland but as long as this City team is here there’s no way anyone can call it “title or bust” for us. Likewise if Liverpool have their CB’s fit. These are sides that are capable of getting 90+ points as they’ve shown.

You think Roman and the board really care what the others do? With that kind of money being spent, they would expect a proper ROI back - e.g. winning the league title. After all, you have people saying Haaland is the missing piece, the difference between us winning the league and not...

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Just now, Jas said:

Did they say that with Mkhitaryan? The difference is he had only a year left on his contract then, which forced Dortmund to sell him as Watzke later admitted - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36693832.

But on the flip side, there are examples where Dortmund stood their ground with Sancho and Lewandowski. 

And what does fans' views have anything to do with this?

That was never the case for Sancho, United simply refused to pay the price needed otherwise would've left last year. Lewa its true but they had offers of 20-30 mil for him and in the end took the loss, here the loss could be close to 100 mil, isn't not even close in terms to that of Lewa, no way they shitting 100 mil away just for another season of Haaland, as a matter of fact without Sancho they likely wouldn't even had qualified for CL, they can take the 150 mil and even make CL next season without him, or lose him next season for 70 mil and possibly even miss out on CL.

Of course fans views are important they know the Dortmund board better than we do, if most of them believe he will leave if a massive offer comes in means they are well aware how their board operate or handle it.

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9 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

That was never the case for Sancho, United simply refused to pay the price needed otherwise would've left last year. Lewa its true but they had offers of 20-30 mil for him and in the end took the loss, here the loss could be close to 100 mil, isn't not even close in terms to that of Lewa, no way they shitting 100 mil away just for another season of Haaland, as a matter of fact without Sancho they likely wouldn't even had qualified for CL, they can take the 150 mil and even make CL next season without him, or lose him next season for 70 mil and possibly even miss out on CL.

Am sure they would have thought all of that before coming out to insist they won't sell Haaland this summer. If they are open to do so this year, they would have set a price with him like they did with Sancho but all their stance up till now is "he's not for sale". As I said earlier, we would have to make a batshit crazy offer for them to maybe consider it. 

9 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

Of course fans views are important they know the Dortmund board better than we do, if most of them believe he will leave if a massive offer comes in means they are well aware how their board operate or handle it.

Just because they know better doesn't mean anything. They don't control what their board do, just like we here on TC or any other fans on other forums.

I know you are VERY desperate for us to buy Haaland but chill.....

[Pizy 18,952]

8 minutes ago, Jas said:

You think Roman and the board really care what the others do? With that kind of money being spent, they would expect a proper ROI back - e.g. winning the league title. After all, you have people saying Haaland is the missing piece, the difference between us winning the league and not...

Of course Roman will expect a title. But if we have a great season, take a big step up, but fall a few points short to a brilliant City/Liverpool/United side who all also invested heavily I don’t think it should be considered an abject failure or disaster.

Failure would be buying Haaland and others and having a PL season like we’ve just had i.e flailing around for 4th until the last day.

Next seasons goal for me personally is to completely bridge the gap between us and City. To maybe be in a title race similar to the one they had with Liverpool a couple of years ago where it looked like either could win it.

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1 minute ago, Pizy said:

Of course Roman will expect a title. But if we have a great season, take a big step up, but fall a few points short to a brilliant City/Liverpool/United side who all also invested heavily I don’t think it should be considered an abject failure or disaster.

Failure would be buying Haaland and others and having a PL season like we’ve just had i.e flailing around for 4th until the last day.

Next seasons goal for me personally is to completely bridge the gap between us and City. To maybe be in a title race similar to the one they had with Liverpool a couple of years ago where it looked like either could win it.

If we don't get Haaland, it's not the end of the world. Haaland or not, I expect this team to do better next season and based on the trajectory and points gained under Tuchel, I'd say we're more than capable of achieving it. We don't have to throw money at every problem, not when we have a squad that can improve and be worked further.

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13 minutes ago, Mana said:

We need a clinical striker. We create so many chances last season and 90% of those chances are wasted because of what happens in front of goal. 

I'm slightly worried that if Haaland's going to be that striker for us IF he joins us. We all thought Werner will be clinical but look how that turned out...

Before Werner had kicked a ball for Chelsea, i saw a good number of posts on forums from people who'd watched a lot of his games in Germany. They were all saying the same things - he's not top quality and misses tons of chances.

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hace 1 hora, Jas dijo:

Yes, those players were willing to go abroad from English clubs but it also doesn't change the fact that circumstances played a part in that. Why do you think so many of the young players would be willing to go to the Bundesliga for example? Because clubs in Germany have a reputation of playing young players, academy players, giving them opportunities. Clubs in England generally don't do that, especially in the Premier League where there's too much at stake with the money etc. While there are success stories like Sancho and Bellingham, there are unsuccessful stories like Lookman, Ampadu and Smith-Rowe. Take Lookman for example. He went to Leipzig on loan in 2017/18, made 11 appearances. He was then bought by them in 2019, made 11 appearances but spent this past season on loan at Fulham. 

Yes but I mean if its playing time at a Newcastle/Crystal Palace/Burnley on loan/permanently or a Hertha Berlin/Hoffenheim/Stuttgart or something on loan/permanently, what do you think most will go for?

Thats taking the bit hitters out of it. Or where do you think clubs would probably try encourage people to go more actually? I think 10 years ago the PL loan would be a cert but now its almost more the foreign leagues by looks of it. Not just the playing part but the challenge of being in another country, another language, another culture, all these things are always forgotten with about how they can contribute towards player development because its not just the footballing aspect that can change or improve, its the mental aspect or the psychological aspect of someone going over to a new country and getting immersed into all that.

Yes some PL clubs don’t loan young players/try their young players but even then the ones you’d hope would/think they’d be more likely (the relegation fighting clubs, the ones who were probably better sides when they first came into the league, or the ones who didn’t have the Big Sam to Tony Pulis transitions/cycles or the ones on shoestring budgets etc), your probably never going to see a huge improvement in a player compared to some of these foreign leagues because a high % of them are either bad footballing sides or below average coaches.

I mean its no shock that Leeds, Sheffield United (last season), Aston Villa (one of the most improved teams this season by a mile) and Wolves (first poor season in the PL with Nuno) have came up in recent seasons with good managers and have leapfrogged at least 6 or 7 different clubs who been in the PL consistently for close to however many years. It is because the others are, to put it bluntly, basically poor sides who do their bit and get to 40 points, celebrate and then say okay lads lets go for 41 points next year despite having a good chunk of money that they’ve pissed up the wall on a Joelinton or a Benteke or whoever.

Who is going to leave a top club/academy and want to play for that, teams where you’ve got the revolving door of Big Sam/Roy Hodgson/Tony Pulis playing horrendous football which is reliant on kicking it 60-70 metres, getting a knockdown or playing off of set pieces, rinse and repeat nearly 40 games a season? Because the other clubs who actually play and can afford to buy players are buying from foreign leagues 75% of the time or ready made players from PL/championship clubs.

Also one bad loan doesn’t define someones career. These guys may have struggled in Germany that you listed but again the experience, the differences, all of that one way or another is something else that can be taken onboard for a player. I mean I doubt anyone thought that Emile Smith Rowe would go from Huddersfield to one of Arsenal’s main men in 6 months. Or nobody could have seen Reiss Nelsons good spell in Germany lead to how he’s barely a regular for Arsenal at all.  Same for the bloke Lookman as you said, good initial spell, signed and rarely featured, went to Fulham, looked meh. Fair enough its never always a guarantee a loan regardless as they can change a manager/get injured or sign someone else but there is invaluable experience to take from all aspects of it. 

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Ahh it's good to see Talkchelsea up and running with long healthy debates like the old days. 🍿

[LAM09 7,062]

1 hour ago, Jas said:

If we don't get Haaland, it's not the end of the world. Haaland or not, I expect this team to do better next season and based on the trajectory and points gained under Tuchel, I'd say we're more than capable of achieving it. We don't have to throw money at every problem, not when we have a squad that can improve and be worked further.

If we don't sign Haaland, who's going to hit 20+ goals? 

You could say, Werner will take a number of changes he missed last season, but we're so toothless in the final third as a team. 

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18 hours ago, Mana said:

You don't but Dortmund are in a very strong position with this player. Unless we are paying stupid amounts of money for him like £150m and give Haaland a huge wage bill, it's not going to happen.

Well judging by the reports which obviously can't always be trusted... it seems this may be the marquee signing Roman is desperate to make since the rumoured interest in Neymar. Even though Kai Havertz was a big signing.. obtaining Haaland would be on another level. 

[Jase 43,479]

7 hours ago, LAM09 said:

If we don't sign Haaland, who's going to hit 20+ goals? 

You could say, Werner will take a number of changes he missed last season, but we're so toothless in the final third as a team. 

City just won the league without a 20-goal striker and their top scorer was Gundogan with 13 goals. They also had only two players with 10 more goals and ended up scoring 25 more goals than us overall.

If our attackers chip in with additional 5-10 goals at the very least, if the midfielders and wingbacks can chip around 5 goals, then it's not impossible to challenge for the title at least. 

Even if we get Haaland, we can't expect him to be the only one to score the goals. Others also need to increase their output. And have said this long before, not sure how realistic is it as well to expect a 21-year-old to come to the Premier League and immediately lead a team to a title win/challenge, freak-of-nature or not.

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[Tomo 21,751]

13 hours ago, Mana said:

I still think this current squad will fight for 4th place until around the final day next season.

We lack that ruthlessness in front of goal and that is critical. Champions of Europe we are yes, but if we are thinking about challenging the league - you're having a laugh because there will be at least three handful of games that we will bang our heads against the wall because Werner or Mount scuffs it or Ziyech goes missing or Pulisic gets injured etc.

Unless these players majorly improve especially Mount, Ziyech, Havertz and Werner, I can't see us challenging next season.

Or what *if* one of them have a Drogba 06/07 esque improvement? I mean it's pretty strange you wouldn't factor in potential second season improvement, especially with Havertz.

What many are missing is we don't actually need one of them to turn into a 20 goal season striker we need all of them to improve by 5 goals in average which i think is quite easily doable. 

[LAM09 7,062]

5 hours ago, Jas said:

City just won the league without a 20-goal striker and their top scorer was Gundogan with 13 goals. They also had only two players with 10 more goals and ended up scoring 25 more goals than us overall.

If our attackers chip in with additional 5-10 goals at the very least, if the midfielders and wingbacks can chip around 5 goals, then it's not impossible to challenge for the title at least. 

Even if we get Haaland, we can't expect him to be the only one to score the goals. Others also need to increase their output. And have said this long before, not sure how realistic is it as well to expect a 21-year-old to come to the Premier League and immediately lead a team to a title win/challenge, freak-of-nature or not.

That's why I mentioned our team being toothless upfront. I can't imagine there being a drastic improvement from any of our wingers in terms of numbers and we don't exactly have a goal getting from midfield aside from Mount.

I agree with the fact that Haaland can only take some of the burden, but we can't (IMO) continue with just what we have in attack and expect a massive turnaround in numbers.