The Tuchel Thread

[Superblue 6,372]

2 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Stats aside, you can see with your own eyes there is so much more pattern to the way Pool and City attack.

It may well be a different philosophy to squad building. Pep and klopp both came in and immediately focused on their teams attacking play. It left both very susceptible defensively for a while (took pep a full season and a number of keeper and defensive additions and klopp struggled for first couple of years before bringing van dijk then Alisson in).

Tuchel's first steps were creating a solid defensive base and I'd say that was fully vindicated with the champions league win which we looked nowhere near capable of under Lampard.

Maybe Tuchel needs the same opportunities afforded to pep and klopp where he's given time and resources to adjust and improve the attacking elements to our game. City and Liverpool looked pretty ordinary with a number of the players klopp and pep inherited.

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

The only thing that's concerning for me is when Tuchel publicly states he doesn't train the players in attacking phases. You can see it ever so blatantly when we look clueless up top and always force to recycle. 

With Liverpool and City, you can clearly see patterns of play and specific instructions the wide and middle players are doing. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,519]

 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

Apparently Tuchel is in Italy with his ex-wife. 

[Hashishi 148]

On 01/06/2022 at 16:13, MoroccanBlue said:

The only thing that's concerning for me is when Tuchel publicly states he doesn't train the players in attacking phases. You can see it ever so blatantly when we look clueless up top and always force to recycle. 

With Liverpool and City, you can clearly see patterns of play and specific instructions the wide and middle players are doing. 

This is so obvious I cannot believe he publicly stated it. If he won't do it, the club should bring in a coach to do it. To me it just looks like the team hasn't trained at all.

[manpe 10,861]

On 01/06/2022 at 18:13, MoroccanBlue said:

The only thing that's concerning for me is when Tuchel publicly states he doesn't train the players in attacking phases. You can see it ever so blatantly when we look clueless up top and always force to recycle. 

With Liverpool and City, you can clearly see patterns of play and specific instructions the wide and middle players are doing. 

What? Can you link to where he said it? If true then this is the same as Mourinho - all about defending, zero fucks given about the attack. IF this is true then his career here won't be very long. You need ultra-talented and smart attackers for that to work and we don't have those.

Edited June 11, 2022 by manpe

[Blue Armour 4,312]

11 hours ago, manpe said:

What? Can you link to where he said it? If true then this is the same as Mourinho - all about defending, zero fucks given about the attack. IF this is true then his career here won't be very long. You need ultra-talented and smart attackers for that to work and we don't have those.

Not really the link you're looking for but here's something from a month ago:

 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[Blues11 213]

To me TT is part of the problem ATM. He will always deserve credit for picking up after Frank and winning us a CL title. I've said it before, he may have been the only manager who could have achieved that feat with how bleak things were at the time. 

He noted that the same issues are happening because we have the same players, I do believe some of that is true but aren't a lot of these the same guys you won the CL with? You can't take all the credit when it goes well and throw all your players under the bus when the morale is low. He's deflecting blame, not taking any kind of accountability for our struggles last season into this preseason. 

Why do some of his former players not want to come here to play with him? Guys like Dembele and Kimpembe were available but both adamantly said no. Now of course there are other contributing factors but why do so many current players also want to leave? Rudi, AC, Azpi, Alonso, etc. Call them bums if you want but Rudi and AC played key parts defensively. To me it's alarming and TT wants to blame everyone but himself. The manager has a big part on why a player wants to sign or resign here and he doesn't seem too popular at the moment. 

Name one player you can really say has been elevated offensively under Tuchel? Mount was already on his way to being a star but yeah go ahead and give TT credit for his rise. We started off last season looking like title contenders and eventually we struggled against everyone. Sure you had injuries but some of those losses/draws were against bottom table teams with half the talent. All our attacking players seem to lack confidence with Tuchel, like they're walking on eggshells each time they're out there. With how shitty the creativity in our midfield is, these attackers have to come back for the ball and barely get to just focus on making runs and positioning. 

TT decides to finally change the formation and try something new but he uses Chalobah and Emerson in a back four and wonders why it didn't go well? We are way too predictable until we improve the midfield and find a proper striker but also because of TT. I don't believe he has the mind to elevate an attack like we want to believe he can....I mean I hope I'm wrong but there's a lot of alarming evidence that there isn't even belief in the locker room he can improve the team in that department. 

I believe he deserves patience and given a whole season to see how we perform, but he also deserves to be criticized when things aren't going well. I see everyone get blamed except TT, it's the sanctions, it's the injuries, it's the players, it's the ownership.... In my opinion he has a lot to prove. 

 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

Where is @Jase?

[Special Juan 27,439]

4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Where is @Jase?

Hiding under a rock because Werner is shite

[Fernando 6,488]

I think this season he will not be at pressure under anything. 

I think the owner will keep him like Arsenal did with Arteta despite the result. 

 

[DDA 9,691]

3 hours ago, Fernando said:

I think this season he will not be at pressure under anything. 

I think the owner will keep him like Arsenal did with Arteta despite the result. 

 

Agreed. Everyone seems to have forgotten Clearlakes vision for our future. They intend to build on similar principles Liverpool have which takes time and I'm pretty sure they said TT is the man to do so. 

I think TTs presser after the Arsenal game was almost asif he was talking under the pressure of the Roman Reign. 

It would be calming to believe TT has the allowance of time considering what he has navigated us through in the past year. 

[DDA 9,691]

Just watching the presser, how can you not love this man.

I hope he wins something this year, he deserves it for the work he puts into this club.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

We don't create chances with through balls through the middle of the pitch from midfield.

We don't create chances through combination plays like one twos or one touch passes like mancity

We don't create chances through individual dribblers on the pitch since we lost Hazard

We don't create chances by pinging the ball into space to find runners like Liverpool

We only create from wingbacks.

This is why our attacking is dross. Until we mix things up and have other ways to attack opponents, we will continue to be boring to watch. I don't know if Tuchel has identified this problem because it's bad.

[lucio 5,418]

And when our wingbacks got injured, he had no plan b and just continued as if they were still there. 0 flexibility 

he didn’t use this 3 at the back shite at psg or Dortmund so why are we forced to watch it every week.

[DDA 9,691]

2 hours ago, lucio said:

And when our wingbacks got injured, he had no plan b and just continued as if they were still there. 0 flexibility 

he didn’t use this 3 at the back shite at psg or Dortmund so why are we forced to watch it every week.

I think he's hung his hat on this particular system because he saw how effective it was when winning the Champions League. 

But

Our attacking play is unbarrable to watch now. Something has to give.

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

What's up with Sterling at CF?