The Tuchel Thread

[NikkiCFC 8,285]

5 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

 

 

Some players are starting to see through a few things. You can’t have one rule for some and different rules for others. Some look at players who are starting, not playing well and still keeping their place.

People are going to get more annoyed about it, especially now the Premier League isn’t in touching distance. When everything is still on and going well, you can accept it more. Players who are in and out of the side are going to think about whether they need to go somewhere else to play more.

 

THIS!

We all know who they are. Lukaku and Mount.

It must be frustrating for Werner, Havertz, Pulisic, Ziyech...

I am glad respectable journalist wrote this. Truth needs to be told.

For example Mount now has 10 games without open play goal contribution. With anyone else if they start 2 or 3 games without having that, boom they are back on bench and this is how it should be. 

This is Chelsea, if you dont deliver 2 or 3 games as an attacker what is your purpose on the pitch? Rules are not the same, this is one big truth.

Lukaku also. 5 starts (not counting 5th division team) without doing anything. WTF?

Havertz scored in last start for example. And I think not playing him as a number 10 at all in 18 months here is mental decision.

Losing him and maybe some others will go into Salah, KDB territory.

But hey, maybe these guys should appoint interview and bitch about club and manager or show burning eyes when not selected...

 

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

THIS!

We all know who they are. Lukaku and Mount.

It must be frustrating for Werner, Havertz, Pulisic, Ziyech...

I am glad respectable journalist wrote this. Truth needs to be told.

For example Mount now has 10 games without open play goal contribution. With anyone else if they start 2 or 3 games without having that, boom they are back on bench and this is how it should be. 

This is Chelsea, if you dont deliver 2 or 3 games as an attacker what is your purpose on the pitch? Rules are not the same, this is one big truth.

Lukaku also. 5 starts (not counting 5th division team) without doing anything. WTF?

Havertz scored in last start for example. And I think not playing him as a number 10 at all in 18 months here is mental decision.

Losing him and maybe some others will go into Salah, KDB territory.

But hey, maybe these guys should appoint interview and bitch about club and manager or show burning eyes when not selected...

 

Its swings and round abouts though, lets be honest. You’d think all the attackers haven’t had plenty of opportunities the last year under Tuchel barring maybe Pulisic reading your post and even then that’s debatable isn’t it? The links to players such as Raphinha, Dembele and even Hazard aren’t happening purely by chance for me. Obviously there are subplots, be it personal links to personnel and the club or contract situations or not playing regularly elsewhere but if the current attackers had all done better these links 90% wouldn’t exist, simple as that. You don’t fix what isn’t broken urgently. You fix what is broken immediately. 

The Mount lack of goals/assists point as valid as it may be is the same as Timo or even Kai. If Timo doesn’t get goals or assists people come with “when he plays his runs stretch teams or his movement is useful” or if Kai doesn’t score or assist “he links up the play better and our combination play is better” which, granted, are valid points but again, if its the same precedent for one it has to be the same precedent for all of them. If your going to criticise Mount, Lukaku, Timo or whoever for no goals or assists then the other attackers have to get it too because they aren’t doing it. Simple as that. 

Granted Mase hasn’t been great the last wee while but again are we as a team doing well from open play? Are we really creating a huge amount of chances? How many goals have come from corners and freekicks? How many have been scored by central defenders or the wingbacks? Obviously set plays and a good spread of goals from other positions are huge bonuses but ultimately you take these goals away and we would be a lot lot worse off. So are some of the attackers really not getting a chance or does Tuchel just not count on or fancy some of them like he does with some of the others over the last 12 months? 

Also would say its laughable to say losing the likes of Ziyech, Pulisic or Werner could potentially end up like a Salah or KDB situation. There are levels and they aren't that level. Havertz is potentially the only one who is likely to become an actual elite level player of the ilk that Mo and Kevin are. And even then that level is hard to get to for a lot of players.

Edited January 26, 2022 by OneMoSalah

[quickpassnmove 924]

Ideas: Dump the Jorginho MF setup, play forward faster w/o fear of losing the ball.... etc. etc. Our centre midfield has options other than Jorginho, but not much strength except in Barkley and RLC. 

Ideas: Tuchel plays an imitation of the Barca way with inferior squads and no Messi. Why does he keep doing this and why does he not try something else 100% instead of half-ass attempts to deviate from the possession-based gameplay? Every variation/deviation/change is only ever partial and never ventures to interplay/attacking that abandons obsession with possession.

There are too many variables at-play in CFC's predicament. The manager and the squad are not where they need to be. So, if we lay the blame at the feet of playing around Jorginho's MF, who just won the Euro Cup last summer and NOT having a good alternative setup.... I am not so sure this is all a good excuse. An excuse for WHAT? How about the fact that our squad has shown ZERO development this season under Tuchel? 

Where does this leave us? Muddling through more months of this?  Personally, I value Conor Gallagher, Armando Broja, Hakim Ziyech and the potential of some of the other players in our squad more than I value the current manager staying  at our club. Are we going to change our centre midfield under Tuchel by selling Jorginho and acquiring CMs that can physically dominate matches? Does this solve the attacking problems?

[milka 3,390]

 

[Mário César 1,231]

yes it is

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

15 minutes ago, milka said:

 

I see more than a few matches here that could easily be draws or even losses with how anemic our offense is.

[Mário César 1,231]

in fact, we've a easy upcoming games but 13 points its a big difference... if was 7 or 6 points I believe that we could fight till the end but with 13 points its impossible

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

Yes. Yes it is. 

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

20 minutes ago, milka said:

 

To put it bluntly, although mathematically it wasn’t (and still isn’t) quite over, since City went 6 points clear of us in December, it was as good as over in all likelihood. Or so I felt. I mean City now are what 13 clear again, if they win the game they’ve got on us? They aren’t dropping that many points in that position. No way.

If you look at our draws v United, Burnley and Everton especially around that period when City went 6 clear and then the other draws since, it is going to be nearly impossible to win the title, even if we win 90% of those games. We need to just focus on our own games too and take care of them as they come ws opposed to thinking City play team X or Y lets hope they do us a favour. I mean if City drop a lot of points, they drop a lot of points but thats a massive if and it isn’t as if we are exactly flying just now either so wouldn’t get overly excited.

Also never mind City, Liverpool have 2 games in hand on us and can go up to 54 points if they take all 6 points from them. We need to really not lose sight of them as opposed to City right now because we can maybe catch them if we get our shit together. 

Obviously most of our remaining fixtures are favourable which maybe does give people optimism and a chance to get a lot of points but in our current 8 league draws we have 2 v Brighton, 1 v Everton, 1 v Wolves and 1 v Burnley. Thats 5 points taken from 15 which we all would of been expected to get. 100%. So nothing is a given. 

Again, smaller teams have caused us more of an issue than bigger teams this season. 

Edited January 26, 2022 by OneMoSalah

[milka 3,390]

In view of the program until the spring, if we improve our form, I think we can even finish second in certain circumstances. 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

Simon Phillips reporting the attackers at the club have shown a distrust and are unsettled by Tuchel given how he treats them. They second guess their decisions and don't trust their instincts. Suggestions he is "too brutal" with them and at times selects lineup 'based on emotion'. 

 

[NikkiCFC 8,285]

6 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Again, smaller teams have caused us more of an issue than bigger teams this season. 

What? 

Against top10 teams on table we have 4 wins in 13 games. Arsenal, Spurs x2 and Leicester. 

Against teams from 11th to 20th place we have 9 wins and 2 draws in 11 games. 

[NikkiCFC 8,285]

6 hours ago, milka said:

 

City lost 12 points in 23 games. Even if we win all games we would not finish over them. When they win their game in hand they are 13 points over us with 14 games to go. 

[Mário César 1,231]

they need to lost 4 matches in 14 games and draw one game.

in the othet hand, we need to win all remaing games...

its impossible. no way

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Simon Phillips reporting the attackers at the club have shown a distrust and are unsettled by Tuchel given how he treats them. They second guess their decisions and don't trust their instincts. Suggestions he is "too brutal" with them and at times selects lineup 'based on emotion'. 

The Athletic reported it, not Simon Phillips. It's in the article BF shared hours ago. 

[NikkiCFC 8,285]

 

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

What? 

Against top10 teams on table we have 4 wins in 13 games. Arsenal, Spurs x2 and Leicester. 

Against teams from 11th to 20th place we have 9 wins and 2 draws in 11 games. 

Said smaller clubs, not top 10 or bottom 10 clubs. Our record v the big sides (Liverpool, City, United, Arsenal, Spurs) since TT took over has significantly improved from before. We’ve still dropped points v the Evertons, Brightons, Wolves etc.

Edited January 27, 2022 by OneMoSalah

[Blue Armour 4,436]

12 hours ago, milka said:

 

Don't see the Arsenal game on there? Is that one of the rearranged fixtures??