The Tuchel Thread

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wrong forum

Edited May 25, 2023 by Vesper

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schoolboy defending

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Fofana has been HORRIFIC the last 2 games

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Abramovich is laughing his arse off I wager

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On 21/05/2023 at 01:13, NikkiCFC said:

Will be remembered as a guy who failed to win titles with both Bayern and PSG. Must be the most embarrassing thing ever. 

You defo spoke too quickly...

[lucio 5,418]

Never doubt the king 👑 

[Fernando 6,484]

Awesome, he wins a Bundesliga and we are stuck in 12. 

Awesome job Todd. 

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10 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Awesome, he wins a Bundesliga and we are stuck in 12. 

Awesome job Todd. 

It's done now. 

Let's just hope his second season act is far better.

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20 hours ago, Fernando said:

Awesome, he wins a Bundesliga and we are stuck in 12. 

Awesome job Todd. 

he was poor at Bayern

he flopped across the finish line due to Dortmund's choke

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20 minutes ago, Vesper said:

he was poor at Bayern

he flopped across the finish line due to Dortmund's choke

Tbf though the flopping at Bayern this season began with Nagelsmann. Some iffy results- nothing major but I think theres been something there for a while in terms of the squad.

By the time Tuchel was appointed the titles usually done based on previous seasons so credit to Dortmund but the background changes at Bayern would assume that they blame their transfers/recruitment over the past 24 months for their regression as opposed to directly being Nagelsmann and Tuchel‘s doing. Obviously there was something with Nageslmann but on the bigger picture, theres a big job on there for them this summer.

Edited May 28, 2023 by OneMoSalah

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A title is a title even if it is a tinpot one and not even Bayern themselves feel like they deserve it.
Still, Bayern are ruthless enough to take drastic steps  after winning the golden pineapple. Kahn, Salihamdzic sacked before the game at Köln, announced 5mins after kick off, players once again learned it from the press. Only Tuchel stays out of the triumvirate . 
this means even more power to TT and that is where he can show if he really has developed. Will he advocate for shit buys again and stay a short term manager or find the solutions that have avoided him here. 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Magic Lamps

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33 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

A title is a title even if it is a tinpot one and not even Bayern themselves feel like they deserve it.
Still, Bayern are ruthless enough to take drastic steps  after winning the golden pineapple. Kahn, Salihamdzic sacked before the game at Köln, announced 5mins after kick off, players once again learned it from the press. Only Tuchel stays out of the triumvirate . 
this means even more power to TT and that is where he can show if he really has developed. Will he advocate for shit buys again and stay a short term manager or find the solutions that have avoided him here. 

sell him Lukaku

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39 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tbf though the flopping at Bayern this season began with Nagelsmann. Some iffy results- nothing major but I think theres been something there for a while in terms of the squad.

By the time Tuchel was appointed the titles usually done based on previous seasons so credit to Dortmund but the background changes at Bayern would assume that they blame their transfers/recruitment over the past 24 months for their regression as opposed to directly being Nagelsmann and Tuchel‘s doing. Obviously there was something with Nageslmann but on the bigger picture, theres a big job on there for them this summer.

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On 25/05/2023 at 18:12, NikkiCFC said:

Nagelsmann had 3 defeats in 37 games this season. Tuchel 4 in 11. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Vesper said:

 

That’s including the 2 vs city ? 

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6 hours ago, Vesper said:

 

Yeah but their form and results tailed off after the World Cup also with JN - dropping 12 points from first 10 after it ended. Compared to 10 straight wins before. So they blew their lead under him. 

Not to mention Nagelsmann had Bayern in second before he was dismissed. Was a point yes but it seems likely that despite where they were, they would of dropped more points with Nagelsmann as opposed to Tuchel.

A huge % of their players were fed up of him, his antagonising nature and training sessions.

But yeah Tuchel ultimately got the job done and will undoubtedly ring changes. I think Nagelsmann maybe a great tactician but not got that niche when it comes to managing the big egos

Edited May 29, 2023 by OneMoSalah

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4 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Yeah but their form and results tailed off after the World Cup also with JN - dropping 12 points from first 10 after it ended. Compared to 10 straight wins before. So they blew their lead under him. 

Not to mention Nagelsmann had Bayern in second before he was dismissed. Was a point yes but it seems likely that despite where they were, they would of dropped more points with Nagelsmann as opposed to Tuchel.

A huge % of their players were fed up of him, his antagonising nature and training sessions.

But yeah Tuchel ultimately got the job done and will undoubtedly ring changes. I think Nagelsmann maybe a great tactician but not got that niche when it comes to managing the big egos

TT did not get the job done. Job done for Bayern means win the double, which he failed at the first hurdle. TT got the bare minimum and only bc he got a huge helping hand by Mainz and Bochum. Nags left Bayern one point off the top with plenty matches to play inlcuding one at home against BVB but TT took the hand off the title on the penultimate matchday. I think it's pretty clear which position is better. Surely Nags was probably the wrong fit for them but we are yet to see if TT has learned from past mistakes. Only bc Todd was stupid to sack him does not mean Bayern were smart to make their switch nor that TT has been a success there yet.

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11 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

TT did not get the job done. Job done for Bayern means win the double, which he failed at the first hurdle. TT got the bare minimum and only bc he got a huge helping hand by Mainz and Bochum. Nags left Bayern one point off the top with plenty matches to play inlcuding one at home against BVB but TT took the hand off the title on the penultimate matchday. I think it's pretty clear which position is better. Surely Nags was probably the wrong fit for them but we are yet to see if TT has learned from past mistakes. Only bc Todd was stupid to sack him does not mean Bayern were smart to make their switch nor that TT has been a success there yet.

Yes the double would of been their main target. But out of the cup and the league, their main priority would be the league 100%. Clubs like Bayern, Madrid, Barca - they always target the league first. 

Lets be honest, Nagelsmann started them on the rut after the WC. Not saying Tuchel has done excellently at Bayern, far from it, but he did what he had to do and that was win the league. But sitting 2nd on a potential downward spiral with a negative atmosphere in the dressing room (12 points dropped in first 10 after WC) or actually winning the league be it one point or due to someone else taking their eye off the ball - I think its clear which position most would go for (confirmed winning the league….)

I mean people talk about Tuchel having to learn from his past mistakes but he is the only coach to get PSG to a CL final. He won the CL here. He’s won league titles in France and now Germany. Yes its hardly as if he’s been successful completely at Bayern but he’s been there like 3 months.

I’ll be honest there is a lot of strange strange opinions on here regarding Tuchel - it is absolutely baffling if I am honest 🤣 I mean he could of won the treble with Bayern and there would still be some sort of throw away comment or dig or something ridiculous said.

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Bayern in 2nd in a one team league and now beat by a third tier team. The heat is going to get more intense if BVB beat them this weekend.