The Tuchel Thread

[NikkiCFC 8,285]

If Tuchel won all PL games we would have same points as City but 2nd on goal difference. For me 2nd, 3rd and 4th place is the same. No title but CL.  So he possible could not do any better in the league even if we got that 10+ points we stupidly lost. Would not make any difference.

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He's going to have to start setting us up differently next season. His current approach will be enough to grind out narrow wins but far too many games we're walking on a tightrope.  That will mentally wear players down over a whole season.

Keeper, three at the back, two wingbacks and two holding midfielders is way too negative and leaves us with just three attack minded players, which clearly isn't enough.

Anything can happen in the Cups, but in the league I would only just about give him a pass, and I have to add that I haven't enjoyed watching many of our games under him.

He's got a year left on his contract, so I think they should let him see that out and have another talk this time next year. Also, i honestly cant see us putting up a title challenge next season either, so I don't see him lasting more than another year anyway. Just too much work  needed on this squad over the next couple of years, but we know Roman don't give him that time.

If he can start clearing out the deadwood and maybe win a trophy along the way, then it'll be a decent job done. The clearing should start with Jorgi and Kovacic asp this summer. As with Kepa, I dont care how much of a hit we take, just sell them for whatever we can get. 

 

[Jase 43,479]

An interesting piece on our chance creation problem, particularly from midfield...

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/features/2021/5/14/22435783/why-arent-Chelsea-scoring-more-goals-and-how-can-we-fix-that

[Superblue 6,372]

4 hours ago, Jas said:

An interesting piece on our chance creation problem, particularly from midfield...

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/features/2021/5/14/22435783/why-arent-Chelsea-scoring-more-goals-and-how-can-we-fix-that

It is something that definitely needs addressing. 

It's ironic that under Tuchel, we've pretty much made the top 4 by taking points off everybody around us to make the ground up. It's easy to be critical of the last week or two but ultimately we're in the top 4 because Tuchel's record against the other big teams has been exceptional, and that form has also extended to Europe too. I believe the only team in the top 7 that we didn't beat was United who we drew with, and 4 of the 6 were away games.

Our problems seem to be against teams lower down the table which is actually where Lampard was excelling, but couldn't seem to beat anybody in the top half of the table. Home draws with Brighton and Wolves, home loss to West Brom, away draws to Southampton and Leeds. These are the games we need to be picking 3 points up if we're to challenge for the title. 

I don't know whether that means a different approach to games against teams like this compared to teams towards the top of the table. For example is this group flexible and competent enough to regularly change between a back 4 and back 5? I think when we've been chasing games and changed to a back 4 at times we've not looked great. But maybe this is simply Tuchel needing more time on the training pitch to fine tune this. and our attacking patterns.

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These corrupt bastards did their best to take away our CL in the run in didnt they, the whole season for that matter. We have been absolutely turned over by the officials in this run in.  VAR it's not a tool for righting wrongs it's a tool for manipulating results, I've seen the Villa penalty numerous times, their player kicks Jorginho on the leg. It's a scandal. So so soft, a pen we would never get. Azpi gets a red for a nothing incident, same incident that Villa did but the ref saw nothing as usual. That cunt grealish can behave how he wants, 2 soft ass pens for LC just incase Chels does something. Im glad TT came out and said his piece, you could see he has had enough already, any manager coming to us will have the shock of their lives for sure. How much longer will fans care about this corrupt charade? 

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

It is something that definitely needs addressing. 

It's ironic that under Tuchel, we've pretty much made the top 4 by taking points off everybody around us to make the ground up. It's easy to be critical of the last week or two but ultimately we're in the top 4 because Tuchel's record against the other big teams has been exceptional, and that form has also extended to Europe too. I believe the only team in the top 7 that we didn't beat was United who we drew with, and 4 of the 6 were away games.

Our problems seem to be against teams lower down the table which is actually where Lampard was excelling, but couldn't seem to beat anybody in the top half of the table. Home draws with Brighton and Wolves, home loss to West Brom, away draws to Southampton and Leeds. These are the games we need to be picking 3 points up if we're to challenge for the title. 

I don't know whether that means a different approach to games against teams like this compared to teams towards the top of the table. For example is this group flexible and competent enough to regularly change between a back 4 and back 5? I think when we've been chasing games and changed to a back 4 at times we've not looked great. But maybe this is simply Tuchel needing more time on the training pitch to fine tune this. and our attacking patterns.

Agree with the point against bottom half sides under Tuchel but the ironic thing is, we ended up picking only 3 points less against those sides under Tuchel than under Lampard (18 v 21). The biggest disparity and unsurprisingly comes with the points gained against top half sides. Under Lampard, we got only 8 points but under Tuchel, we gained 20 points! And we ended up picking only 2 more points against top half teams than bottom half sides under Tuchel.

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, Jas said:

Agree with the point against bottom half sides under Tuchel but the ironic thing is, we ended up picking only 3 points less against those sides under Tuchel than under Lampard (18 v 21). The biggest disparity and unsurprisingly comes with the points gained against top half sides. Under Lampard, we got only 8 points but under Tuchel, we gained 20 points! And we ended up picking only 2 more points against top half teams than bottom half sides under Tuchel.

I'd be surprised if any of the other teams around us have a similar record where they've picked up more points against top half sides than bottom half sides, like Tuchel has done.

Personally I'd rather be in our position of having to fix a record against the teams lower down the table, than a record against the bigger teams. In theory it should be a problem easier to address.

[Beigl 1,387]

23 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I'd be surprised if any of the other teams around us have a similar record where they've picked up more points against top half sides than bottom half sides, like Tuchel has done.

Personally I'd rather be in our position of having to fix a record against the teams lower down the table, than a record against the bigger teams. In theory it should be a problem easier to address.

Reminds me a little bit of our 13/14 season. We threw the title away against teams like Villa, Norwich or Newcastle while winning pretty much every big game. 

With a wise transfer window we can play for the title next season. 

[Superblue 6,372]

13 minutes ago, Beigl said:

Reminds me a little bit of our 13/14 season. We threw the title away against teams like Villa, Norwich or Newcastle while winning pretty much every big game. 

With a wise transfer window we can play for the title next season. 

It's a good reference point, and with arguably one of the best transfer windows during Roman's tenure we then went and romped the league the following season.

The problem is this time, I'm not sure world class players like Fabregas and Costa were, are ready and available currently.

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[NikkiCFC 8,285]

Such a charismatic and intelligent guy. 

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Really fun interview. His favorite player as a kid was a big sweeper

[Jase 43,479]

Anyone still doubt Tuchel now?

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[NikkiCFC 8,285]

This guy! What a man 💙💙💙💙