Kai Havertz

[shrenshah 186]

Bye havertz thread

 

Moving to Benrahma thread for future discussions

[Dimitr 488]

Ok havertz wants ChL football to come here . Werner didn’t want CHL football? Because we signed him without  a guaranteed Chl spot . 
havertz is very young so why not to come here without Chl football? 

[Dimitr 488]

I think we will get Chl football next year .  
for these reasons :

1. We want 7 points in 3 matches ( Norwich win , Liverpool draw , wolves win ) 

2. Leicester have difficult program . They wil play against Bournemouth ( want deadly 3 points) , Sheffield,Spurs ,Manchester United . So probably we will finish 4th 

so we have chances to get havertz 

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

All too good to be true

[Special Juan 27,422]

Sounding good, and I don't believe the CL thing is of any importance at all. Werner and Ziyech are already here so that notion doesn't really stack up.

[Laylabelle 9,351]

Guess not having Champions League for one season doesnt mean won't have it for the next..or the other way round. Or get past the groups.. 

Probably not thought of like that mind..then again Europa League is super fun..sure he'll love it.

[Vesper 28,768]

7 hours ago, Jason said:

Feel like Mount's game has suffered from Lampard's constant tinkering of the midfield. We have seen that Mount can score goals, can provide assists at Vitesse and Derby - okay, different leagues and all that but still. Rather than let a player - a young player - have a fixed role or a fixed position to develop, Lampard has been asking Mount to do, A B C D etc. Lampard was talking about wanting fluidity in midfield the other day and based on his quotes, not sure if he has a clarity of what he wants his midfielders to do. Being versatile and flexible is one thing but it sounded almost as if Lampard wants them to do everything. 

Lampard is too smart for his own good at times

he overthinks things too often

that said, he is also intelligent enough to realise this I so hope

when he gets it right, he is a genius, but he is bollocksing it up too much atm

it is a rookie steep learning curve

[Vesper 28,768]

5 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

Guess not having Champions League for one season doesnt mean won't have it for the next..or the other way round. Or get past the groups.. 

Probably not thought of like that mind..then again Europa League is super fun..sure he'll love it.

lol

you surely must be having a laugh sis!

nothing like a winter trip to Uzbekistan to lift the soul

[Jase 43,479]

7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Lampard is too smart for his own good at times

he overthinks things too often

that said, he is also intelligent enough to realise this I so hope

The midfield trio of Jorginho-Kovacic-Mount was arguably the best one this season and yet every time Kante is available, Lampard will break up that trio just to force Kante in and break up whatever synergy and the trio had. So...

9 minutes ago, Vesper said:

when he gets it right, he is a genius, but he is bollocksing it up too much atm

it is a rookie steep learning curve

It's a case of the blind leading the blind at the moment.

[Special Juan 27,422]

Lampard has to start sticking to his guns and stop all this chopping and changing...

I've just been on the phone to someone who is an Everton fan and even he said "How the fuck does Tammy Abraham start over Giroud" and it's right, it is like FL doesn't want to rock the boat with his young lads.

He needs to grow a set and quickly.

[Laylabelle 9,351]

11 minutes ago, Vesper said:

lol

you surely must be having a laugh sis!

nothing like a winter trip to Uzbekistan to lift the soul

Exactly! All the places you can go to..the final venues where you have to take a train and plane and stay for a week...what more could you want lol.

Without Champions League guess case of being convincingly and showing the club is heading back or is in the right direction..which is debateable at times this season..

[Vesper 28,768]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

The midfield trio of Jorginho-Kovacic-Mount was arguably the best one this season and yet every time Kante is available, Lampard will break up that trio just to force Kante in and break up whatever synergy and the trio had. So...

It's a case of the blind leading the blind at the moment.

the MF has been so injured this season

worst hit of all the positions

no wonder we have continuity issues

we need to sell Kante as his injury path is only going to get worse

he is like Hazard in a way

years of brutal play are catching up

he just is not built like a little tank like Makélélé was

[coolhead23 1,146]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

the MF has been so injured this season

worst hit of all the positions

no wonder we have continuity issues

we need to sell Kante as his injury path is only going to get worse

he is like Hazard in a way

years of brutal play are catching up

he just is not built like a little tank like Makélélé was

 

We keep saying that we need to sell Kante ... the thing is who is going to defend if he is gone ... No one in the midfield is capable of doing it not even Kovasic... , Under Sarri and Lampard he was pushed into an advanced role which actually screwed us. 

I m glad that Lampard has moved him into his preferred position ... Yes  agreed there are those injuries issue but i hope it's just a phase ... still for me it makes no sense to sell the best DM (by a mile) we have ... 

[Stats 7,053]

2 hours ago, Special Juan said:

Lampard has to start sticking to his guns and stop all this chopping and changing...

I've just been on the phone to someone who is an Everton fan and even he said "How the fuck does Tammy Abraham start over Giroud" and it's right, it is like FL doesn't want to rock the boat with his young lads.

He needs to grow a set and quickly.

Before yesterday, Giroud started the last 2 league games and generally has been favoured over Abraham. I did expect Giroud to start yesterday myself and Abraham come in on Tuesday but I don't think FL is scared to rock the boat as Abraham has been benched quite frequently recently. He took Mount off at H/T yesterday and in the cup game and also has bought Werner and Ziyech where Mount and Abraham will know they have serious competition.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Bit of a derail going on here. Shouldn't this discussion be in the match section? 

[Special Juan 27,422]

2 minutes ago, Stats said:

Before yesterday, Giroud started the last 2 league games and generally has been favoured over Abraham. I did expect Giroud to start yesterday myself and Abraham come in on Tuesday but I don't think FL is scared to rock the boat as Abraham has been benched quite frequently recently. He took Mount off at H/T yesterday and in the cup game and also has bought Werner and Ziyech where Mount and Abraham will know they have serious competition.

My point is he keeps chopping and changing, and it's quite clear to anyone Giroud is the better of the two players and offers us so much more. Playing Sheffield United who are both physical and have some big players that Giroud should of been starting to give us that muscle and aerial threat, but he went with TA again. 

 

[Special Juan 27,422]

3 minutes ago, ulsterchelsea said:

Bit of a derail going on here. Shouldn't this discussion be in the match section? 

Agreed.

Please could all members now discuss this in the match section of the Sheffield United game please.

Thanks.

[Vesper 28,768]

45 minutes ago, coolhead23 said:

We keep saying that we need to sell Kante ... the thing is who is going to defend if he is gone ... No one in the midfield is capable of doing it not even Kovasic... , Under Sarri and Lampard he was pushed into an advanced role which actually screwed us. 

I m glad that Lampard has moved him into his preferred position ... Yes  agreed there are those injuries issue but i hope it's just a phase ... still for me it makes no sense to sell the best DM (by a mile) we have ... 

if we sell Kante we can buy Rice 

we do not have to move Rice to CB until we buy another DMF (probably next summer)

Kante's value will plummet after this window

and in Lamp's system, he is NOT capable of playing the sole 6 in a 3 man midfield

he is not technical enough, Rice is

Kante only is WC in 2 man pivot

who is going to be that 2nd MFer IF we do not buy Rice (and keep Kante, which WOULD work I am sure, but we truly are now talking about massive outlays and taking away massive sales)?

from what I recall Kovacic and Kante in a 2 man pivot did not work out well

Jorginho and Kante in a 2 man pivot is huge fail

not at all sold on Gilmour and kante in a 2 man pivot either

Barkley (who needs to be sold ASAP) and Kante? hard pass

Same for Mount and Kante or RLC and Kante

if we want to ru a 2 man pivot we need to buy a partner for kante

and the money is grim to do that, given all our other needs

I am NOT sold on Kante as the deep MFer in a 3 man MF

not with who we have atm, especially our TRASH CB's

they all are shit on the ball save for the woeful in all other areas AC

we need to liquidate on a grand scale and fill in the pieces

and Lamps is really wedded to a 3 man midfield, which makes Kante square peg, round hole

he is no Rodri or prime Busquets

if he was all that and a bag of chips as the deep mid

then why has he barely been played there?

Lamps always jams him in at RMF, which is and has been (same as Sarri did) a fail

buy Rice, 2 CB's, a LB, a GK and Havertz without selling kante and I am all in for a 2 man pivot

like I posted earlier this week

we could even run a 4 4 2 double 6 then

New GK

New CB (lawd knows there are 10 plus it could be)

New CB or if not, Rudiger as the other main CB

New LB (should be Theo Hernandez IMHO, or Digne or Telles)

RB Azpi/Reece

double 6 A Rice

double 6 B Kante

LW/LMF Pulisic

RW/RMF Ziyech

LCF Werner

RCF Havertz

then summer 2021 buy another great DMF (if we want to shift Rice to CB a bit more or IF we then sell Kante) and (if Reece is not working out) Nordi Mukiele at RB

plus fill in as needed

the cost is the issue to doing all that, it is insane outlays and we desperately need to raise revenue