Super Frank Thread

[DDA 9,690]

Can somebody tell me what Tuchel has achieved? Do not list any Ligue 1 merits either... they don't count when managing PSG.

[Clockwork 1,794]

53 minutes ago, DDA said:

Can somebody tell me what Tuchel has achieved? Do not list any Ligue 1 merits either... they don't count when managing PSG.

Who do you prefer?

[Blues Forever 1,232]

1 hour ago, DDA said:

Can somebody tell me what Tuchel has achieved? Do not list any Ligue 1 merits either... they don't count when managing PSG.

Only DFB Pokal with Dortmund.

[Jase 43,479]

5 hours ago, ZaynChelsea said:

https://m.bild.de/sport/fussball/fussball/thomas-tuchel-nach-abfindung-sofort-frei-fuer-neuen-klub-74642036.bildMobile.html

Tuchel a possibility for Chelsea. Sources near Tuchel saying he doesn’t want to take a break and prefers to take charge of a new team asap. Also stating he would love to work with Werner, Havertz and Rüdiger.

What obvious writing.

Naturally if we were to lose our next 2 games, one assumes Lampard's neck would really be on the chopping block then but I would rather believe an English source rather than a German source when it comes to that.

People have been widely talking about potential replacements but the funny thing is we haven't heard a single thing about Lampard getting the sack (yet), certainly not from the English media. If we go back to winning ways today and beat City for example, then Lampard will definitely be nowhere near getting the sack and all the talk will be moot. 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Lampard's whole tactics seems to be switch to the fullbacks and cross it into the box. That's why he cant bench Abraham/Giroud to play Werner through the middle, because Lampards tactics is to cross only (David Moyes Style) and hope something happens so he needs a tall striker there. He can't play attacking football like Klopp, Guardiola and Brenden rodgers who use smaller strikers, No single link up plays through the middle, no one twos, no dribbles through the centre, just pass between our centrebacks, switch to the fullbacks, cross into the box and hope someone gets there  

The moment Ziyech got injured (our only player that can play through the middle) and James started playing with an injury (our best crosser) Lampard's true tactical naivety has been exposed. 

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

How about those signings though like Morata, Bakayoko, Rudigar, Drinkwater, Kepa, and Jorginho? 

Rudiger was a legit contributor in the FA Cup final and Europa league wins. Was man of the match in the FA final too.

You're right of course, especially Conte. He did exceptionally well with the dross at his disposal and that coaching success isn't mitigated in the slightest by poor transfers on his part

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[Special Juan 27,429]

Lampard is on the edge of a cliff, lose today and I think he's gone.

You can bet good money the club have begun 'looking' possibly even speaking with potential candidates.

[Milan 17,854]

There really should be just one basic and genuine question we should be asking ourselves - is there some other coach that would get out of this current team more? Much more? Do we believe that?

Because honestly, not unlocking the potential of the current squad FULLY, that would be a criminal disaster and a collosal fuck up.

[Special Juan 27,429]

1 minute ago, Milan said:

There really should be just one basic and genuine question we should be asking ourselves - is there some other coach that would get out of this current team more? Much more? Do we believe that?

Because honestly, not unlocking the potential of the current squad FULLY, that would be a criminal disaster and a collosal fuck up.

if we are talking about getting the maximum from players and would a new coach help then I say the answer is yes. Currently we have FL playing Timo Werner out wide, that in itself is a total fuck up for a start. What comes with that is having chase back and do more fucking donkey work, no wonder he look dead on his feet. That's another point, he's not rested Werner and game managed him, take for example Salah, Klopp did this with him v Palace, benched him and fetched him on to score.

Frank also played Reece James and Chilwell injured against Arsenal, that is another huge fuck up and adds to the list of questions that need to be asked...what the fuck is FL doing and why is he pushing players into the ground.

And maybe if a new coach arrives he would give instructions from the sidelines rather than stand motionless and idealess like a complete waste of space.

[killer1257 3,282]

There really should be just one basic and genuine question we should be asking ourselves - is there some other coach that would get out of this current team more? Much more? Do we believe that?
Because honestly, not unlocking the potential of the current squad FULLY, that would be a criminal disaster and a collosal fuck up.

Depends. Man management wise, probably yes because some players play every match without showing any sign of improvement and they still are untouchable.

But if our next coach plays Kovacic, Mount and Kante, I don't think the next coach can turn any of them into Xavi or Iniesta type of players.

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[DDA 9,690]

8 hours ago, Clockwork said:

Who do you prefer?

Nagelsmann

Hasenhuttl

Bielsa 

And contrary to most on here who reject the idea of Simione, I think he would be great to have here. His passion and drive would ensure we never see performances like the one we had to endure the other day.

 

[lucio 5,418]

8 minutes ago, Mana said:

In all honesty, what are we waiting for. It is clear Lamps is out of his depth and the more we stick with him, the less chance of making top 4.

Either he’s out of his depth or the players no longer believe in the coach.

We may win today, but another defeat will be shortly coming.

The next game after is city and we will almost certainly be heavily defeated 

[Johnnyeye 7,441]

I love Lamps as a player and person, he's a legend, always will be, but i think this job is too much for him to handle, no disrespect.

[killer1257 3,282]

What obvious writing.
Naturally if we were to lose our next 2 games, one assumes Lampard's neck would really be on the chopping block then but I would rather believe an English source rather than a German source when it comes to that.
People have been widely talking about potential replacements but the funny thing is we haven't heard a single thing about Lampard getting the sack (yet), certainly not from the English media. If we go back to winning ways today and beat City for example, then Lampard will definitely be nowhere near getting the sack and all the talk will be moot. 

I just made a quick research. Apparently, Tuchel and Leonardo didn't like each other because Tuchel said in interviews that he needs more transfers and Leonardo did not like that.
Based on their current injuries, they might have needed a new left back. But their midfield and offense is still crazy.
We have a far worse midfield and offense than PSG on paper. He will probably ask for better players here too.

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[11Drogba 2,000]

PSG lost against Monaco, Lyon, Lens and Marseille this season. 4 losses and 2 draws in 17 games in Ligue 1.

I watched most of their games and they are so boring like sarriball.  Center back gives the ball to left back, left back gives the ball back to the same center back, the center back gives the ball to left back, then they repeat this betwen center backs or with right back. Tuchel is one of the most overrated managers.

[killer1257 3,282]

 

 

 

PSG lost against Monaco, Lyon, Lens and Marseille this season. 4 losses and 2 draws in 17 games in Ligue 1.

I watched most of their games and they are so boring like sarriball.  Center back gives the ball to left back, left back gives the ball back to the same center back, the center back gives the ball to left back, then they repeat this betwen center backs or with right back. Tuchel is one of the most overrated managers.

 

I agree. He is very overrated. His team has so many great offensive players and guys like verratti and Herrera are much better than Mount/Kova/Kante from an offensive point of view and they still play like shit. Without Mbappe, Di Maria and Neymar, they are nothing.

 

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[Atomiswave 6,072]

Tuchel will be another stop-gap, enough with that shit already. Poch has agreed to coach PSG rumours claim now.

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, Special Juan said:

if we are talking about getting the maximum from players and would a new coach help then I say the answer is yes. Currently we have FL playing Timo Werner out wide, that in itself is a total fuck up for a start. What comes with that is having chase back and do more fucking donkey work, no wonder he look dead on his feet. That's another point, he's not rested Werner and game managed him, take for example Salah, Klopp did this with him v Palace, benched him and fetched him on to score.

Frank also played Reece James and Chilwell injured against Arsenal, that is another huge fuck up and adds to the list of questions that need to be asked...what the fuck is FL doing and why is he pushing players into the ground.

And maybe if a new coach arrives he would give instructions from the sidelines rather than stand motionless and idealess like a complete waste of space.

He's been out of the side and no one is talking about him but the Havertz situation also needs to be addressed. Just like Werner, I don't think Lampard knows how to use Havertz either. Granted, Havertz got COVID-19 but that aside, he has been used in so many different positions and despite his potential, we have yet to really see a game where he has shown what he can do or maybe even offer glimpses of it. It's almost as if Lampard bought them to just abuse their versatility without any actual idea how to get the best out of them. I seriously want to know what Lampard told those two when trying to persuade them to join us.

2 hours ago, killer1257 said:

But if our next coach plays Kovacic, Mount and Kante, I don't think the next coach can turn any of them into Xavi or Iniesta type of players.

Maybe not but do you think we can at least play better football than what we're seeing now? Ever since the turn of the year, a lot of our attacking play has boiled down to sending balls out wide for players to just dump crosses onto the head of Abraham or Giroud. There's very little variation, creativity and ingenuity in our style. And not to mention, we had to heavily rely on a 21-year-old last season to carry us into the Top 4. Given Lampard has been able to spend way more than any Chelsea manager could - since Mourinho 1.0 IIRC - and that we are 18 months into his regime, I don't think it's wrong to expect more than what we're seeing. There were reports earlier this year saying that this is a 3-year project to get us back to challenging for the league title and Champions League and assuming if true, do we even close to getting to that stage halfway through the 3 years?