Super Frank Thread

[Puliiszola 519]

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

But here's the thing, what happens if Ziyech comes back and has an off day, like against Spurs recently? Then what? 

Also considering how injury prone Pulisic is and the fact that people keep making fun of it, it's ironic to then see people are seeing him as our savior. Plus, FML if we become a one man team with Ziyech again!

Tbf, most teams tend to be one player FC

Arsenal was Auba FC, as soon as his goals dried up this season, they have become shit

City are KDB FC, his off form is severly impacting them

SPurs are Kane FC, with him playing as a goal scorer AND even play maker now.

Villa --> Grealish

CP --> Zaha

I mean each team tends to be reliant on their best playmaker. At least until the manager can find a system to get the best out of all the players (aka Pool). We have Kai and werner who are currently so off, Puli coming back and getting injured again etc etc. Once players settle in, we MIGHT not be so reliant on ziyech.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Puliiszola said:

Tbf, which team in the world is not a one-man team? 

Arsenal was Auba FC, as soon as his goals dried up this season, they have become shit

City are KDB FC, his off form is severly impacting them

SPurs are Kane FC, with him playing as a goal scorer AND even play maker now.

Villa --> Grealish

CP --> Zaha

I mean each team tends to be reliant on their best playmaker. At least until the manager can find a system to get the best out of all the players (aka Pool). We have Kai and werner who are currently so off, Puli coming back and getting injured again etc etc. Once players settle in, we MIGHT not be so reliant on ziyech.

If a team is a one man team, then that kinda means the rest of the team is shit and it's also not sustainable in the long run. 

[Azul 1,615]

47 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

Liverpool has 7 wins and Spurs have 7 wins. Which is 1 win more than us. The PL as a league has become such a powerful league where there are no free wins. Understand that. 
In the 17 game unbeaten run, how many did we win. Majority. 
And how do we have the same problems as last season. Last season we conceded 69 goals in 38 games, this season we have conceded 14 goals in 13 games. Thats the same to you? 
Oh wait, you are one of the entitled, plastic, short term social media "fans" looking for instant gratification. News FLASH: Life does not work that ways. Klopp took 2.5 years to make liverpool a force. FL so far has got 1.25 and the improvements are there for anyone and their dog to see if they actually have a brain.
Also, go back and read any and all of my comments and posts. I am and till the end of this season WILL be all for giving FL time to work. Unlike plastic fans like yourself, I dont hide under a rock when my team is winning, neither do i go into a rant mode at the first signs of trouble. 
Cant wait for you to back into hiding once we beat WHU on the weekend. 
Lastly, 250m spent means NOTHING. None of the players bar ziyech are in the PRIME of their careers. None of the players bar chilwell played in the PL before. This is not FIFA where you just select the best players with best ratings and things click into motion. Some players take time to adapt, some turn out to to busts while the most unexpected players become an integral part of the team. Also, the 250m spent again means nothing as majority of it was offset by hazard, morata etc sales. We also need to replace those players. So stop bullshitting. 

Keep supporting a man who's win ratio at this club is 48%, the only man with a lower win ratio at this club is Hiddink. He is doing worse than Every other Chelsea manager bar Hiddink, so I am keeping the same energy while you want to give him time knowing our season is going to be fucked. I'm not going into hiding even if we win our next 5 games by the way. The only time I'll truly trust in Frank is when we're comfortably sitting in top 3, at the end of the season.

Don't look at the rest of the league, Liverpool have so many injuries and Spurs is a team that finished 6th last season. We should be doing much much better, but ok we'll wait and see I guess. It's hard to convince fan boys like you who call people that criticise Frank plastic. Even though I judge him as a manager and not the legendary player.

[Azul 1,615]

I have to post this again. Lampards win ratio at this club is 48%, the only man who has done worse is Hiddink. Think about it. Even Sarri did better with Luiz, Rudiger etc.

This season we haven't won a Premier league against a top 10 side, that's another stat for you guys.

[killer1257 3,282]

But here's the thing, what happens if Ziyech comes back and has an off day, like against Spurs recently? Then what? 
Also considering how injury prone Pulisic is and the fact that people keep making fun of it, it's ironic to then see people are seeing him as our savior. Plus, FML if we become a one man team with Ziyech again!

Son and Kane also had an off day too. Mane and Salah also once in a while have off days. I expect for us that one day, Pulisic gets back to his last seasons form and then we have two top class players in our team. If Ziyech has an off day, we still have Pulisic to create something.

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[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

Just now, killer1257 said:

 

 

Son and Kane also had an off day too. Mane and Salah also once in a while have off days. I expect for us that one day, Pulisic gets back to his last seasons form and then we have two top class players in our team. If Ziyech has an off day, we still have Pulisic to create something.

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The issue is that we have a manager who is relying on individual talent to see him through when he has an abundance of talent in the team. 

I want Tammy back in the starting XI. All of the fluidity vanished the moment Giroud came back. 

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Son and Kane also had an off day too. Mane and Salah also once in a while have off days. I expect for us that one day, Pulisic gets back to his last seasons form and then we have two top class players in our team. If Ziyech has an off day, we still have Pulisic to create something.

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You're putting a lot of hope on Pulisic to stay fit all of a sudden...

[Azul 1,615]

You're putting a lot of hope on Pulisic to stay fit all of a sudden...

Last year people gave the players the blame for the results. Now that Lampard has the backing and he spent over 200m on unbelievable players, the players still get the blame for the performances.

"It's the players fault", is an excuse that has been used and recycled last season. I refuse to believe it's Ziyech's injury or Pulisics or whatever it is. Any decent manager with this squad would destroy Everton and Wolves who've been in dreadful form.

It's the same signs of last season by the way, we face a team who's in horrible form and we gift them points smh.

[killer1257 3,282]

The issue is that we have a manager who is relying on individual talent to see him through when he has an abundance of talent in the team. 
I want Tammy back in the starting XI. All of the fluidity vanished the moment Giroud came back. 

If we want to be title contenders, we need to have the right amount of individual quality. Liverpool would never won PL nor CL without Salah or Mane. That is a fact. Man City would never won the title without KDB and Aguero two seasons ago and their whole squad is far better than ours.

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[killer1257 3,282]

You're putting a lot of hope on Pulisic to stay fit all of a sudden...

If he can't solve his injury problems, we need to buy a new winger because I don't see right now a winger in our youth set up that has the potential to make us better.

But I still have hope that one day, he might fix his injury problem for at least a longer period of time

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[Fernando 6,455]

14 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

The issue is that we have a manager who is relying on individual talent to see him through when he has an abundance of talent in the team. 

I want Tammy back in the starting XI. All of the fluidity vanished the moment Giroud came back. 

Giroud earned his start. Now he can go back to the bench to be a sub. 

Tammy had a good rest and now he can return to the lineup. 

 

[Fernando 6,455]

1 hour ago, Alabama said:

Even at that we will challenge or be closer to the very top...not Frank fault Jorginho doesnt fit our style of play...Unlucky due to injuries as well hoping Pulisic Werner and Ziyech becomes our starting front 3 now on and in the long term....

Jorginho needs to be sold and get a replacement. Also worried about Kante not having a proper back up. 

Still need Rice as there is no rest for this man. 

[Alabama 1,992]

10 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Jorginho needs to be sold and get a replacement. Also worried about Kante not having a proper back up. 

Still need Rice as there is no rest for this man. 

That's my fear...

Hopefully we try this coming January...

[Jase 43,479]

22 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Giroud earned his start. Now he can go back to the bench to be a sub. 

Tammy had a good rest and now he can return to the lineup. 

You forgot to mention that Lampard is seemingly playing Giroud to persuade him to stay in January, even at the cost of causing tactical imbalance to the side. 

[Puliiszola 519]

44 minutes ago, Azul said:

Keep supporting a man who's win ratio at this club is 48%, the only man with a lower win ratio at this club is Hiddink. He is doing worse than Every other Chelsea manager bar Hiddink, so I am keeping the same energy while you want to give him time knowing our season is going to be fucked. I'm not going into hiding even if we win our next 5 games by the way. The only time I'll truly trust in Frank is when we're comfortably sitting in top 3, at the end of the season.

Spoken like a true plastic. "I will support only if my team is comfortable" Well played sir. Also, which of our manager in the history had to deal with a transfer ban? Which if a manager in our history had to deal with a transfer ban as well as having the best player in the team as well as the league leave the team and unable to replace him? Please enlighten me.

47 minutes ago, Azul said:

Don't look at the rest of the league, Liverpool have so many injuries and Spurs is a team that finished 6th last season. We should be doing much much better, but ok we'll wait and see I guess. It's hard to convince fan boys like you who call people that criticise Frank plastic. Even though I judge him as a manager and not the legendary player.

LOL, liverpool lost 7-2 to ASTON FUCKING VILLA with VVD and no injuries. Things dont happen in a vaccum. Its no longer a top 4 elite tier team in PL and then a massive dearth of talent and money for the rest of the 16. Most of the PL teams has a higher net spend and market value than the 5-6th placed teams in spain, germany, italy or france. And thats the difference. Things dont happen in a vaccum. Liverpool, CIty, united each of them is struggling with one thing or another. Liverpool because their manager played jota in a meaning less game and refused to rotate, city because their world class player KDB has lost form, United are out of CL and somehow just clinging on in the league. Arsenal are fucked. Things are not just black and white. 

Lol, you can critisize FL as much as you want, I do it too. The point is, if he wins the next 5 games, you would still not believe in him. Infact you want him to fail as he has not given you instant gratification and that is what makes you a PLASTIC. You are like those liverpool fans crying for Klopp's head in his first 2 years and now think he is the 2nd coming of jesus. Frankly, Pathetic.

[Azul 1,615]

LOL, liverpool lost 7-2 to ASTON FUCKING VILLA with VVD and no injuries. Things dont happen in a vaccum. Its no longer a top 4 elite tier team in PL and then a massive dearth of talent and money for the rest of the 16. Most of the PL teams has a higher net spend and market value than the 5-6th placed teams in spain, germany, italy or france. And thats the difference. Things dont happen in a vaccum. Liverpool, CIty, united each of them is struggling with one thing or another. Liverpool because their manager played jota in a meaning less game and refused to rotate, city because their world class player KDB has lost form, United are out of CL and somehow just clinging on in the league. Arsenal are fucked. Things are not just black and white.  Lol, you can critisize FL as much as you want, I do it too. The point is, if he wins the next 5 games, you would still not believe in him. Infact you want him to fail as he has not given you instant gratification and that is what makes you a PLASTIC. You are like those liverpool fans crying for Klopp's head in his first 2 years and now think he is the 2nd coming of jesus. Frankly, Pathetic. 

 

I bet you started supporting Chelsea after Abramovich bought the club and you're calling me plastic? There is a difference between supporting your club and supporting your manager, get it through your thick skull.  

 

You know what though, keep the same energy in 2 months. Assuming I don't want the club to win just because I don't see Lampard as a manager who's not good enough. This is how low iq some Chelsea fans can be smh.

 

 

 

 

 

[killer1257 3,282]

So[mention=4712]Jason[/mention] said that Ziyech and Pulisic played one match together in CL and no PL matches together.

So do people here believe that Spurs would be where they are now in the table if Son and Kane played zero PL matches together? Do people here believe that Liverpool would be in their current position if Mane and Salah played zero matches together in PL ? Because I don't think so.

 

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[Jase 43,479]

15 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

So[mention=4712]Jason[/mention] said that Ziyech and Pulisic played one match together in CL and no PL matches together.

So do people here believe that Spurs would be where they are now in the table if Son and Kane played zero PL matches together? Do people here believe that Liverpool would be in their current position if Mane and Salah played zero matches together in PL ? Because I don't think so.

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What I would say is, until we see Pulisic and Ziyech play together and actually be the difference makers or saviors that people are making them out to be, we do not know it is guarantee that they will lead us to the top of the table. It is not like we have not had chances to go top of table or not win games without one or both of them. 

Also, Son and Kane have been at Spurs together for years but this is the first time they are really up there. What's the difference between then and now? They have a title winning manager at the helm now. They have someone who has seen it and done it all. Should also add that Son and Kane have been outperforming their xGs by A LOT this season, which suggests whatever they are doing now may well be unsustainable for the whole of the season.