Wilfried Zaha

[LAM09 7,043]

This sort of deal doesn't seem like good business. £60-80m for someone that will be almost 28 by the time he joins, have little to no resell value and anything could happen within 12 months.

 

If we are seriously looking at signing players with 12 months in mind, we ought to be going down the Pulisic route again.

 

 

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Everyone here knows I love Zaha. This would be fantastic for both Chelsea and Palace. Really, really hope we can do it.

Palace get a year more of Zaha and a year more to plan for his replacement. Zaha will be at peace knowing his future is sorted and would likely play his heart out. Then we get a top player sewn up before a potential bidding war starts next summer.

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40 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

This sort of deal doesn't seem like good business. £60-80m for someone that will be almost 28 by the time he joins, have little to no resell value and anything could happen with 12 months.

If we are seriously looking at signing players with 12 months in mind, we ought to be going down the Pulisic route again.

At the same time, someone who is almost 28 is in their prime years and should realistically be at their best level to 30 or 31 before declining. I'm not Zaha's biggest fan, although he wouldn't be the worst move but still think his game lacks end product and even from playing in pretty much a free role at times with Palace he hasn't really put up stats that make me go wow. 10 goals and 5 PL assists for Palace in 34 games maybe seems decent but still, I would be a bit concerned with spending 60-80m on him although that is just the way the market is these days I suppose. With Pedro and Willian ageing though, maybe having someone who is in their prime years and probably able to replicate their outputs isn't the worst idea without realistically getting in Pulisic and Callums long term development either. 

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At the same time, someone who is almost 28 is in their prime years and should realistically be at their best level to 30 or 31 before declining. I'm not Zaha's biggest fan, although he wouldn't be the worst move but still think his game lacks end product and even from playing in pretty much a free role at times with Palace he hasn't really put up stats that make me go wow. 10 goals and 5 PL assists for Palace in 34 games maybe seems decent but still, I would be a bit concerned with spending 60-80m on him although that is just the way the market is these days I suppose. With Pedro and Willian ageing though, maybe having someone who is in their prime years and probably able to replicate their outputs isn't the worst idea without realistically getting in Pulisic and Callums long term development either. 

I just have my reservations about him being able to make the step up tbh. Arsenal and Everton EL level teams at best right now whilst we're a level above in all fairness.

Better deals to be had with 12 months in mind.

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11 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

I just have my reservations about him being able to make the step up tbh. Arsenal and Everton EL level teams at best right now whilst we're a level above in all fairness.

Better deals to be had with 12 months in mind.

I honestly wouldn't say we are that much better than Arsenal. Arsenal have got goals upfront in 2 strikers who can score 20 a season. We don't have that. Ultimately goals win games and having 2 strikers who can deliver that will help a lot even if your slightly weaker in other areas. Fair enough we maybe have better players in other positions but its not like we are that much better if we are as a collective, hence the fact we relied a lot on Eden last season. Plus, as ironic as this may sound right now, I think Emery is a better fit for Arsenal than Lampard is for Chelsea at this moment in time. Also, this we are better than Arsenal thing just now means nothing, it hasn't been proven under Frank, we haven't played 1 competitive game and Sarri was in charge last season. Also I think United and Arsenal will surprise people this year, they've had 1 year (half a season for United) with their managers so they are more accustomed to how they want to play and how they work where as Frank has come in and instantly changed the system. Race for top 4 is going to be extremely interesting. City-Liverpool then youve got us, Spurs, United and Arsenal all going for 2 places.

I would say, if you are able to cut it for Arsenal I think you are more than likely able to do so here right now. Willian, Callum and Pedro arent exactly lightyears ahead of Zaha if at all. Zaha wouldnt be the worst move as of right now or even 12 months down the line. Fair there are better wingers out there perhaps but I think we have got 2 bargaining chips to use with Palace, Batshuayi who they want and was there last year as well as Reece who they are keen on (although if Zappa goes he has to stay to back up Azpi or if he doesn't go then send him there on loan).

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I honestly wouldn't say we are that much better than Arsenal. Arsenal have got goals upfront in 2 strikers who can score 20 a season. We don't have that. Ultimately goals win games and having 2 strikers who can deliver that will help a lot even if your slightly weaker in other areas. Fair enough we maybe have better players in other positions but its not like we are that much better if we are as a collective, hence the fact we relied a lot on Eden last season. Plus, as ironic as this may sound right now, I think Emery is a better fit for Arsenal than Lampard is for Chelsea at this moment in time. Also, this we are better than Arsenal thing just now means nothing, it hasn't been proven under Frank, we haven't played 1 competitive game and Sarri was in charge last season. Also I think United and Arsenal will surprise people this year, they've had 1 year (half a season for United) with their managers so they are more accustomed to how they want to play and how they work where as Frank has come in and instantly changed the system. Race for top 4 is going to be extremely interesting. City-Liverpool then youve got us, Spurs, United and Arsenal all going for 2 places.
I would say, if you are able to cut it for Arsenal I think you are more than likely able to do so here right now. Willian, Callum and Pedro arent exactly lightyears ahead of Zaha if at all. Zaha wouldnt be the worst move as of right now or even 12 months down the line. Fair there are better wingers out there perhaps but I think we have got 2 bargaining chips to use with Palace, Batshuayi who they want and was there last year as well as Reece who they are keen on (although if Zappa goes he has to stay to back up Azpi or if he doesn't go then send him there on loan).

It's more to do with our expectations compared to Arsenal. This season will obviously be one of transition, but the team/Roman will have ambitions of challenging 12 months now, whether that's realistic is another story.

Also, I think Arsenal are a way off in every position aside from upfront. They leak more than they score & they haven't got Liverpool's sort of front line either. In regards to Manchester United, they have all their hopes pinned on their youth this season, so their season could go any way with a manager that's hardly done much to date.

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2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I honestly wouldn't say we are that much better than Arsenal. Arsenal have got goals upfront in 2 strikers who can score 20 a season. We don't have that. Ultimately goals win games and having 2 strikers who can deliver that will help a lot even if your slightly weaker in other areas. Fair enough we maybe have better players in other positions but its not like we are that much better if we are as a collective, hence the fact we relied a lot on Eden last season. Plus, as ironic as this may sound right now, I think Emery is a better fit for Arsenal than Lampard is for Chelsea at this moment in time. Also, this we are better than Arsenal thing just now means nothing, it hasn't been proven under Frank, we haven't played 1 competitive game and Sarri was in charge last season. Also I think United and Arsenal will surprise people this year, they've had 1 year (half a season for United) with their managers so they are more accustomed to how they want to play and how they work where as Frank has come in and instantly changed the system. Race for top 4 is going to be extremely interesting. City-Liverpool then youve got us, Spurs, United and Arsenal all going for 2 places.

I would say, if you are able to cut it for Arsenal I think you are more than likely able to do so here right now. Willian, Callum and Pedro arent exactly lightyears ahead of Zaha if at all. Zaha wouldnt be the worst move as of right now or even 12 months down the line. Fair there are better wingers out there perhaps but I think we have got 2 bargaining chips to use with Palace, Batshuayi who they want and was there last year as well as Reece who they are keen on (although if Zappa goes he has to stay to back up Azpi or if he doesn't go then send him there on loan).

Zaha is better than all our wingers right now. CHO is a prospect but right now you cannot compare him to Zaha. Zaha has carried Palace for a few seasons now and I get he hasn't proved it at a big club but he has shown a lot of quality at Palace. He is better than Pedro and Willian and also right now better than Pulisic. I would love in an ideal world for Pepe to stay at Lille for another season and we grab him next summer.

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3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I honestly wouldn't say we are that much better than Arsenal. Arsenal have got goals upfront in 2 strikers who can score 20 a season. We don't have that. Ultimately goals win games and having 2 strikers who can deliver that will help a lot even if your slightly weaker in other areas. Fair enough we maybe have better players in other positions but its not like we are that much better if we are as a collective, hence the fact we relied a lot on Eden last season. Plus, as ironic as this may sound right now, I think Emery is a better fit for Arsenal than Lampard is for Chelsea at this moment in time. Also, this we are better than Arsenal thing just now means nothing, it hasn't been proven under Frank, we haven't played 1 competitive game and Sarri was in charge last season. Also I think United and Arsenal will surprise people this year, they've had 1 year (half a season for United) with their managers so they are more accustomed to how they want to play and how they work where as Frank has come in and instantly changed the system. Race for top 4 is going to be extremely interesting. City-Liverpool then youve got us, Spurs, United and Arsenal all going for 2 places.

I would say, if you are able to cut it for Arsenal I think you are more than likely able to do so here right now. Willian, Callum and Pedro arent exactly lightyears ahead of Zaha if at all. Zaha wouldnt be the worst move as of right now or even 12 months down the line. Fair there are better wingers out there perhaps but I think we have got 2 bargaining chips to use with Palace, Batshuayi who they want and was there last year as well as Reece who they are keen on (although if Zappa goes he has to stay to back up Azpi or if he doesn't go then send him there on loan).

Arsenal have been playing some really slick, impressive football in pre-season. In the main they've avoided the type of clunky passages of play we've suffered in our games. (Including some against Barcelona.) They also have a young lad up top who they stole from our academy. I never saw him play for our junior sides but he's looked good, confident and composed. Could be one to watch. There's something of the Andy Cole about him.

They have been closer to full strength in those games than we have but it doesn't feel to me like we can confidently expect to be better than them in the coming season.

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3 hours ago, Stats said:

Zaha is better than all our wingers right now. CHO is a prospect but right now you cannot compare him to Zaha. Zaha has carried Palace for a few seasons now and I get he hasn't proved it at a big club but he has shown a lot of quality at Palace. He is better than Pedro and Willian and also right now better than Pulisic. I would love in an ideal world for Pepe to stay at Lille for another season and we grab him next summer.

I'm not so sure he is (better than what we have). He's in a smaller team in a free role having the entire team play for him. He produces a lot because he gets a lot of touches, which is the team strategy. He also enjoys a lot of counter attacking with all that pace he has - reminds me of Lukaku at everton (remember pointing that out back then).

His defensive game is pretty much a big zero: does not track back or tackle anyway. So, at the very least, both Willian and Pedro are better in that so important defensive side at the top level.

I'm not saying he's bad player. He's got good technique, good dribbling, and finishing. But I'm also not sure at all how he'd fare against stronger opposition in Europe. One could say there is only one way to find out, but it's an expensive bet.

You can accuse me of bias, and you might be right, but the other Arsenal target, Everton (Soares) looks more ready even though he's younger and cheaper.

Now, just read the post below and as a striker/false 9, then it might actually work.

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Everyone here knows I love Zaha. This would be fantastic for both Chelsea and Palace. Really, really hope we can do it.
Palace get a year more of Zaha and a year more to plan for his replacement. Zaha will be at peace knowing his future is sorted and would likely play his heart out. Then we get a top player sewn up before a potential bidding war starts next summer.
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Agreed, I love him as player too.

Honestly, I'd love to have him as striker here. I really wanted him or martial over the past seasons, but it didn't work out. Unfortunately, it now looks like Ole is going to play martial at striker. And I'm not confident in us getting zaha.

It would go against the signing younger players thing, but we have CHO and Puli as young wingers, it wouldn't hurt to have an experienced player for the next 3-5 years (Pedro and Willian especially shouldn't be that). But I really think it could solve our striker issue next summer too.

The dude is a baller

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50M and Batman makes a lot of sense, plus he gets another season at Palace.

I'd love him here

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2 minutes ago, Mana said:

We are giving United money if we buy Zaha. That's what bothers me.

Zaha isn't a £60m player. If he was 23, yeah maybe but he's 26 and we won't be able to get him until he turns 27.

Zaha is an average player. Maybe slightly above it. We need to look for better options.

Does not matter. Anything that floats the english media bubble.