The Conte Thread

[communicate 2,703]

5 hours ago, !Hazard! said:

Should have spent that 100 million in wingbacks like City and a lot of things would be different right now but it didn't happen and here we are in midst of a crisis thinking about switching the system. Let's remember that the wingback position is arguably the most important in this system, and our players for those positions are the weakest link in this squad. Alonso and Moses/Zappacosta would have hard time making it to the starting lineup at Everton nevermind other actual top clubs.

Then there is midfield which was in ruins during the games against City, Palace and Roma. It's still early days but Bakayoko doesn't seem to be the player we were looking for. The board should have bought a more mobile and more technical version of Matic but instead they bought a bigger version of Ramires. Let's hope Drinkwater turns out to be a good signing as there is still hope if he and Kante can once again form a solid midfield partnership.

Our nett spend this season is less than 100 m. We basically only spend on drinkwater + rudiger. 

Baka <> Matic

Zapp <> Ake

Morata <> Costa

 

[OhForAGreavsie 4,998]

17 minutes ago, communicate said:

Our nett spend this season is less than 100 m. We basically only spend on drinkwater + rudiger. 

Baka <> Matic

Zapp <> Ake

Morata <> Costa

 

According to Transfermarkt, our net spend is less than £3m. That result includes their guesstimation of loan fees, but the numbers are within a margin of error so the net figure could even be in surplus. In other words, we may have made a profit this summer.

Those are the facts. What the reason might be is up for debate and speculation. 

[communicate 2,703]

4 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

According to Transfermarkt, our net spend is less than £3m. That result includes their guesstimation of loan fees, but the numbers are within a margin of error so the net figure could even be in surplus. In other words, we may have made a profit this summer.

Those are the facts. What the reason might be is up for debate and speculation. 

Oh I forget that we sell begovic, Cuardrado and traore. Then yes our net spending is almost nothing. 

So what people expect ? Us to compete with City and United where both spend over 100 M in nett spend.

We all know that there are tons of position that need to be improved in this squad. I am pretty sure the board is not dumb but if they are not willing to spend any money than it is going to be a long and gruesome process. 

[Styles 9,790]

People talking about net spend when the issues is shit, cowardly managers who have zero imagination and ability to construct and make dominant teams. It's always the same negative, 1970s football no matter how much we spend.

[El P. 1,354]

I'm not fearing that he will get sack in mid-season. Hell, we waited to sack Mou until it was REALLY late, we were at the bottom of table.

I'm afraid we will do "an Ancelotti" again, sack him at the end of season, because he didn't get expected result with TITLE WINNING TEAM. Yo dawg, you have a TITLE WINNING TEAM, how come you cannot win us some more of those trophy stuffs?

Seriously, and this time it will be a lot harder to just bring another manager and win something - competition in league is tough this days. This time we might actually need to build great squad to win something.

[Leif 6,006]

Romaaaan, wherever you may be, you are no longerrr CFC

[Leif 6,006]

Roman's the Wenger of owners, straight up.

Stop blaming everyone except the damn boss! Every season the man who should always be ultimately responsible goes untouched! Just like having a rich dad who has no concept of bonding, only of neglect

[Pizy 15,336]

I don't even think he's close to the sack at this moment in time. Pick up 0 points against Watford and Bournemouth and I think he's a dead man walking and a change could be made to galvanize the squad before playing Roma again.

I hate to even speculate or think about it because I love Conte, but both Ancelotti and Tuchel are out there waiting for another big job. 

[Jase 43,174]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

I don't even think he's close to the sack at this moment in time. Pick up 0 points against Watford and Bournemouth and I think he's a dead man walking and a change could be made to galvanize the squad before playing Roma again.

I hate to even speculate or think about it because I love Conte, but both Ancelotti and Tuchel are out there waiting for another big job. 

If we hire Ancelotti again, we can forget about winning the league in the coming seasons.

[Pizy 15,336]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

If we hire Ancelotti again, we can forget about winning the league in the coming seasons.

Hahaha, that may be true. It would just be such a Chelsea thing to do which is why I named him.

If Conte goes I hope our next manager is someone who plays aggressive, progressive, possession based football. I want us to take the game to teams rather than being reactive.

I just hope Conte can get us back on track. May not be possible with the injury list piling up.

[Jase 43,174]

9 hours ago, Strike said:

What I like is that whenever the team performs badly, regardless of the result, he comes out saying we need to do better. I genuinely think that the football played by the team is leaving Conte sleepless and he's working to find a strategy that works for this squad. That's the right attitude you want to see in a manager and I will back Conte for the next two seasons.

It would be a mistake to sack him 

Valid point but the novelty of taking responsibility can only work for so long. Gotta see the changes or improvement out on the pitch.

3 minutes ago, Pizy said:

If Conte goes I hope our next manager is someone who plays aggressive, progressive, possession based football. I want us to take the game to teams rather than being reactive.

We would probably have to revamp half of the squad to do that and is the board willing to spend 150-200 million for that to happen? I doubt it.

[Laylabelle 8,409]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

I don't even think he's close to the sack at this moment in time. Pick up 0 points against Watford and Bournemouth and I think he's a dead man walking and a change could be made to galvanize the squad before playing Roma again.

I hate to even speculate or think about it because I love Conte, but both Ancelotti and Tuchel are out there waiting for another big job. 

Even if we get someone new in problems won't go away. Be glossed over for a bit maybe but as usual they'll become clear eventually..same old same old.

[Henrique 9,054]

Ranieri also won a Premier League and he managed that with Leicester.

Conte is actually an ultra limited manager in terms of tactics.

[ccheongf 211]

Roman Abramovich ,Chelsea owner wanted exciting free moving football since the day he bought over Chelsea. Till now ,none of tht sort ,coach after coach. Same patterns ,all players like statues on the field, no understanding ,helping teammates, letting teammates know tht they are ready to accept the passing balls. Chelsea used the boring same method times after times, , kick left to right ,then right to left, kick back to the keeper, Then the keeper will kick the ball, and  it goes to the opponent. M City beat Chelsea by exposing this weakness. When pressed by Mcity, Chelsea  players were totally lost playing like amatuers They dnt know who to pass and what to do with the ball .Look at M City way of playing , Helping teammates by going to  open space where ball can be pass, always all around the player with the ball so tht the ball can be pass.Always running around to open spaces to receive the ball. For Chelsea its always indivudually or 2 man show. Chelsea can forget the league champion this season. Actually the team is not gelling, no coordination, many a times no understanding between players . 

[King11Didier 916]

You can now see why Conte wanted another striker in our squad, more precisely Llorente. The team struggles a lot when they are high pressured and are forced to send long balls, but there is no one, who can take 1st ball and direct it to the wings or to someone in the mid, in order to organise an attack. Tibo always tries to pass short to some of the defenders, but they are pressed and he has to give a long ball, Morata still struggles in these duels and can't win 1st ball and direct it correctly. Here comes someone like Llorente who can take a long pass, hold the ball for as long as he wants and direct the ball to his teammates. But no, our board know the best, they don't care about that they didn't bring the players that the coach wanted, because they know it's gonna be exactly the coach who will be blamed for the bad results, after that they can sack him and find another one.  

[kellzfresh 7,211]

2 hours ago, Henrique said:

Ranieri also won a Premier League and he managed that with Leicester.

Conte is actually an ultra limited manager in terms of tactics.

I wouldnt say hes ultra limited with tactics, what ill say is he has a weakness that is so obvious to any small time manager in the world. Press his team and he has no answer.

Just like mourinho is so defensive against the top teams away from home, Just like Klopp cant fix his defensive issues, Just like wenger is naive against top teams, Conte is a failure against pressing teams. It took one year for others to figure that out but its happened. The pressing is why Conte wanted Llorente so bad... but our board had other ideas.

[manpe 10,579]

30 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

I wouldnt say hes ultra limited with tactics, what ill say is he has a weakness that is so obvious to any small time manager in the world. Press his team and he has no answer.

Just like mourinho is so defensive against the top teams away from home, Just like Klopp cant fix his defensive issues, Just like wenger is naive against top teams, Conte is a failure against pressing teams. It took one year for others to figure that out but its happened. The pressing is why Conte wanted Llorente so bad... but our board had other ideas.

We were never good against pressing, not under Mourinho or anybody else. It has more to do with lack of quality than the coach.

[Henrique 9,054]

2 hours ago, King11Didier said:

You can now see why Conte wanted another striker in our squad, more precisely Llorente. The team struggles a lot when they are high pressured and are forced to send long balls, but there is no one, who can take 1st ball and direct it to the wings or to someone in the mid, in order to organise an attack. Tibo always tries to pass short to some of the defenders, but they are pressed and he has to give a long ball, Morata still struggles in these duels and can't win 1st ball and direct it correctly. Here comes someone like Llorente who can take a long pass, hold the ball for as long as he wants and direct the ball to his teammates. But no, our board know the best, they don't care about that they didn't bring the players that the coach wanted, because they know it's gonna be exactly the coach who will be blamed for the bad results, after that they can sack him and find another one.  

Indeed. He decided to let one of the best strikers in Europe leave to bring Llorente as replacement. 

Very wise indeed.

[manpe 10,579]

1 minute ago, Henrique said:

Indeed. He decided to let one of the best strikers in Europe leave to bring Llorente as replacement. 

Very wise indeed.

Morata is Costa's replacement. Llorente would have been Michy's.

[kellzfresh 7,211]

1 hour ago, manpe said:

We were never good against pressing, not under Mourinho or anybody else. It has more to do with lack of quality than the coach.

We were not good against pressing under mourinho, but he was better than conte against big teams in terms of picking out results and finding a way to not get beat. Arsenal dominate us and beat us nowadays. Conte just doesnt know what to do against a press. I love conte but i know a weakness when i see one