The Conte Thread

[Heisenberg 1,824]

9 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

I admire Pep, but he is not the best manager people like to point out. He just misses it on very top.

I dont like that media, himself and fans like to talk of Pep as manager who brings up clubs youth and improves players, while in reality he buys the talent and quality players like anyone else.

His style of how his teams play is what makes him different, but that was not very succesfull for past four years im europe.

Like someone said, Pep is better at marketing than coaching. 

I would like to see him take on smaller or unstable team and what he makes of it. 

Misses it on the very top ? He is the manager that won the most titles since he begun managing, no one is on top of him.He lost CL semi finals everytime, not being knocked out on earlier stage, its really difficult to win a CL semi final if we forgot that.

He brough youth only at Barça, at Bayern it wasnt needed, what was needed were titles, continous success, and Pep gave them that, the fact that we are judging him on how much CL he lost justifies how high his standards are, as a club we won 1 CL and its considered as the greatest achievement ever made by the club, he won 2 and lost only semi finals.

Pep is better at marketing ? I think this insult the man's daily work, thats non sense to me.

[Essien19 1,415]

1 hour ago, Heisenberg said:

Misses it on the very top ? He is the manager that won the most titles since he begun managing, no one is on top of him.He lost CL semi finals everytime, not being knocked out on earlier stage, its really difficult to win a CL semi final if we forgot that.

He brough youth only at Barça, at Bayern it wasnt needed, what was needed were titles, continous success, and Pep gave them that, the fact that we are judging him on how much CL he lost justifies how high his standards are, as a club we won 1 CL and its considered as the greatest achievement ever made by the club, he won 2 and lost only semi finals.

Pep is better at marketing ? I think this insult the man's daily work, thats non sense to me.

Before Pep went there Bayern wasn't chanceless against the top Spanish clubs. after the first game in the semis it was more or less already over. He made very questionable choices in the big games, especially against Atletico last season, that loss in the first game was on him, for example by fielding Bernat out of the blue. Bayern didn't get most times the most difficult opponents until the semis, except last season when they got Juve early. Pep's away record in the CL is atrocious, recently the away game against Celtic inflicts more pain.

Tbf, Pep kept Bayern at a high level, but from someone like Pep you expect more, the Bundesliga isn't what it used to be. Pep's style of play requires very good and expensive footballers, doubt he could pull off something the likes of Klopp or Simeone have achieved over the years. You say Champions-League is too much to ask, but the fact that he couldn't make one youth player great at Bayern puts his reputation as a 'youth lover' into perspective. By having matured players such as KdB, Sterling, Stones around, Pep ticks all the right boxes...make no mistake, the Catalan is a class coach. Similar to Klopp, he knows how to sell himself, some might call it marketing ability, Wilson 'liderazgo'. At the end i don't think he's better than someone like Simeone. Still hasn't won a title in England, Christmas will be an interesting watch.

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

To judge Guardiola only on his Bundesliga performance is silly. Still, he is the first manager to win three consecutive league titles in the history of that competition. If it was that easy, why no one has done it before?

The only Champions League semi-final loss that can be atributed as his loss is the one against Atletico. In the other two he's had to do it without his best players. Against one of the best Real Madrid of the last decade and the Barcelona of an in form trio of Messi, Suarez and Neymar. No wonder that both of them have gone on to win the competition in the end. 

Baffles me how many are so quick to judge Guardiola, but praise the likes of Emery instead. Europa League titles does not make up for the fact that his away record is atrocious. Do you know how many matches Sevilla has won last season in the Spanish League? None! 19 matches - nine draws, ten defeats and no win. And it has not changed that much at Paris either. They have been gash away from home apart from an easy win at poor Caen. A dodgy win at Bastia and losses against Monaco and Toulouse shows he is nowhere near the manager some people make him to be. And they have not been great in their home matches either.

Ancelotti is a top manager, but this new Bayern does not look that dominant like it used to be with Guardiola. Late wins at Schalke and Hamburg, a loss against Atletico in Madrid and a draw at home against poor Koln shows you this. Guardiola's Bayern used to completely dominate opponents during August-November/December, but the new Bayern.. mehh... looks a lot more vulnerable.

Guardiola is not Messiah and he does not have to go to Port Vale and make them play like Messi and Suarez in their prime just to prove his worth. He is a manager doing his regular job and I don't see why he has to get a lot of stick for buying players to fit his tactics. In the end it is about putting his mark on the team with his very own players, not trying to make donkeys play the football they are not supposed to be playing. 

Guardiola is judged by the amount of players he's bought. But what about Mourinho? He's hit the 1 BILLION mark this summer on arrivals. The manager that has spent the most money in the history of this sport just to play medieval football. Unlike Guardiola, I'm pretty sure that Mourinho could play his trademark ugly football with the likes of Glenn Whelan and Harry Arter, too. No need to spend millions if you can't bring something new to the game.

[Antonio8 736]

guardiola? who the fack is guardiola??

i only know the better coach in the world, and he works for chelsea..

 

[Fernando 6,455]

If Conte is very astute he will take our Costa right now and bring bats. 

2 to 0 in the game the team should be able to close this down and save him for the next game. Because more then likely he can get a silly yellow and miss the next game. 

Show your intelligence Conte and do the smart play before the second half starts. 

[sir_volrath 61]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

If Conte is very astute he will take our Costa right now and bring bats. 

2 to 0 in the game the team should be able to close this down and save him for the next game. Because more then likely he can get a silly yellow and miss the next game. 

Show your intelligence Conte and do the smart play before the second half starts. 

Even Costa himself agreed with you 

I love the 3-4-3, please let this be a permanent thing Antonio.

[MefiX19 1,092]

 

[whats happening 1,525]

this team needs a proper attacking threat from the right side instad of willian. sorry willian, you are my favorite player but we need more threat from that side, zouma to come back and the team to get used to the new tactic. then i will be sure that we are atleast a top4 material.

[MefiX19 1,092]

1 hour ago, whats happening said:

this team needs a proper attacking threat from the right side instad of willian. sorry willian, you are my favorite player but we need more threat from that side, zouma to come back and the team to get used to the new tactic. then i will be sure that we are atleast a top4 material.

agree on that. Maybe bring back one of the youngsters like Traore, Boga or Musonda?

[whats happening 1,525]

i would rather have a player who is close to his full potential.

[sir_volrath 61]

1 hour ago, whats happening said:

i would rather have a player who is close to his full potential.

We could have had freaking De Bruyne next to Hazard now.

[Essien19 1,415]

12 hours ago, petre.ispirescu said:

To judge Guardiola only on his Bundesliga performance is silly. Still, he is the first manager to win three consecutive league titles in the history of that competition. If it was that easy, why no one has done it before?

The only Champions League semi-final loss that can be atributed as his loss is the one against Atletico. In the other two he's had to do it without his best players. Against one of the best Real Madrid of the last decade and the Barcelona of an in form trio of Messi, Suarez and Neymar. No wonder that both of them have gone on to win the competition in the end. 

Baffles me how many are so quick to judge Guardiola, but praise the likes of Emery instead. Europa League titles does not make up for the fact that his away record is atrocious. Do you know how many matches Sevilla has won last season in the Spanish League? None! 19 matches - nine draws, ten defeats and no win. And it has not changed that much at Paris either. They have been gash away from home apart from an easy win at poor Caen. A dodgy win at Bastia and losses against Monaco and Toulouse shows he is nowhere near the manager some people make him to be. And they have not been great in their home matches either.

Ancelotti is a top manager, but this new Bayern does not look that dominant like it used to be with Guardiola. Late wins at Schalke and Hamburg, a loss against Atletico in Madrid and a draw at home against poor Koln shows you this. Guardiola's Bayern used to completely dominate opponents during August-November/December, but the new Bayern.. mehh... looks a lot more vulnerable.

Guardiola is not Messiah and he does not have to go to Port Vale and make them play like Messi and Suarez in their prime just to prove his worth. He is a manager doing his regular job and I don't see why he has to get a lot of stick for buying players to fit his tactics. In the end it is about putting his mark on the team with his very own players, not trying to make donkeys play the football they are not supposed to be playing. 

Guardiola is judged by the amount of players he's bought. But what about Mourinho? He's hit the 1 BILLION mark this summer on arrivals. The manager that has spent the most money in the history of this sport just to play medieval football. Unlike Guardiola, I'm pretty sure that Mourinho could play his trademark ugly football with the likes of Glenn Whelan and Harry Arter, too. No need to spend millions if you can't bring something new to the game.

These days Bayern have become a different animal in their domestic league. No one can match them financially. The gap hasn't always been this huge. Back in the day Magath won back to back the 'double' with a far inferior team, something Guardiola failed to do.

At this moment Bayern's players run less, passing has become less incisive which results in more and more errors at the back. The question is when do they peak? What good is for when you dominate the spell August-November/December and bottle it in spring against the big boys? For the domestic league history shows that it's good enough, but in Champions-League where teams can match you quality wise, it paints a different picture, tactics become more and more important. Bayern bought Guardiola to win the Champions-League, he didn't reach one final.

Bayern went to Camp Nou with the idea of playing three at the back, Barcelona dominated the match from minute one. Guardiola had to abort the experiment 15 minutes later, turned out to be an absolute fiasco. Back in the day Bayern didn't shoot much from distance, they should always play short passes, Bernat got caught because he tried to dribble near his box, ended in total disaster and they conceded. After that Guardiola gestured wildly from the sidelines to push his team forward, they conceded again and again. Should have tried to calm them down and have a go at them at home. Yeah, Barca had 'el tridente' at their best, but if it's all on the players (personally don't believe that), coaches become less important, still, you'd expect better than a 3:0 thumping in the first game. Bayern are no n00bs. Against Real in the second leg Guardiola was uncertain about his tactics, players called the shots, backfired massively. Still Bayern's heaviest home defeat on home soil. The first leg against Atletico looked like a sabotage mission. Throwing over of what've worked in the past.

Mourinho won the Champions-League with Porto. How much did his board spent back in the day? But still, don't know why you did come up with Jose Mourinho?! I only mentioned Simeone and Klopp. Mourinho's been underwhelming thus far, his teams bought a lot of players, right. Sure Mourinho can make the likes of Wheelan or Arter (who i do rate though) play to win, the question is can Guardiola? If it's that easy what Mourinho's been doing over the last decade (reference medieval footie), why did someone like Rodgers not copy his approach?
 

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'No need to spend millions if you can't bring something new to the game.'

That's the interesting thing with Klopp and Simeone. Especially Klopp states it time and time again that money isn't everything. With his knowledge of team building he's competitive and brings something new to the table. I don't think that with the millions Chelsea spent on the likes of Fabregas and Costa it didn't result in not bringing something new to the club.

In the end it's all about winning. He's a good coach, but i can't hide that after the recent games i've an obnoxious smile in my face. He's not running away with it, is he?!

[!Hazard! 3,394]

Hazard, Costa, Moses, Alonso, Luiz, Kante. All these players seem to thrive in the 3-4-3 formation. And Matic, Cahill, Pedro, Willian and Azpilicueta aren't doing too badly either. In fact, the only player in the whole squad that really doesn't seem to fit in is Fabregas. If we keep winning with this formation, he might leave the club in January.

[manpe 10,861]

I just love this man.

 

 

[Fernando 6,455]

I think the best thing about him as to opposed to Mourinho is that he puts his words into action. 

He doesn't show favoritism and really does gives chances to those people that show it. And Moses is a perfect example about that. 

I still believe he is the best choice we could have gotten bar Simeone to go forward as a club. 

 

[Essien19 1,415]

20 minutes ago, Fernando said:

II still believe he is the best choice we could have gotten bar Simeone to go forward as a club. 

I could be wrong, but didn't you favour Bielsa or rather Sampaoli?

[Barbara 15,149]

He's finally finding his ground.

I've been critical of some of his decisions, but most time made a point that he is new and is experimenting, which is normal. I don't think he's a very top manager, he's good - average, but maybe he turns out to be better than I think...

He made good decisions, when we didn't have a lot of experience in the bench.

I like the 3-4-3 and it's working well. I wonder if he will bring Terry when he's certain he can play or if he will stick with Cahill. I hope for the former although none is ideal.

We completely dominated Leicester for most of the match and when they had possession they weren't that threatening. But we should take into account they rested some players.

All in all, it was a great one, a convincing one, even if Leicester wasn't that dangerous, but I think we made them look worse than they really were.

[Fernando 6,455]

2 hours ago, Essien19 said:

I could be wrong, but didn't you favour Bielsa or rather Sampaoli?

 

2 hours ago, Essien19 said:

I could be wrong, but didn't you favour Bielsa or rather Sampaoli?

Bielsa but only during the interim spell as I admit that guy is too crazy for our board. 

If Mourinho is crazy with his ego and loses the dressing room, this guy just walks away for nothing after being mad at the board. Lol. 

And nope not Sampaoli because we already been there with Scolari. Sampaoli needs to show himself first like he is doing at Sevilla before taking any consideration on him. 

Now if I owned the club I would have gotten Bielsa and given him total control like Wenger. But for our club we can't do that and thus managers like Conte are the best option.