The Conte Thread

[LAM09 6,744]

I think the difference is Hazard. Same lineup last year but Hazard never showed up back then. 

That and Kante helping the defence out.

[Adnane 1,101]

The stick this guy is getting with 4 wins on 4 and some good football is unreal. 

 

[Adnane 1,101]

@Barbara, Sorry, your agenda against Oscar and Matic is just ridiculous. 

They are nowhere as bad as they were last season ( no one in the team is ), and they have done the job in this stat of the season. 

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

2 hours ago, Barbara said:

Did Conte even watch Burnley against Liverpool?

My patience is wearing thin with his insistence on playing Matic AND Oscar. We're playing a team that will sit and wait for us, and we have three fucking defensive players with Cesc - our only creative player - in the bench, playing at home nonetheless. I don't like comparisons in general, but Mourinho would have been crucified if he had opted for something like this.

I don't know if it's stupidity, stubbornness or any dressing room situation we aren't aware of,but one of these days Diego and Barbshuayi won't be able to rescue us in the eleventh hour because our manager insists on picking the wrong players to have in the pitch. We already have problems with the lack of good players, playing two of our worst players in midfield against a team that won't threaten us has me slamming my head on the wall.

I'm not advocating he should leave, that I'm unhappy with him or anything like that. I'm stating what is obvious to me: Conte has made mistakes in the lineup in all three matches we've played so far and it seems he's learned NOTHING from the previous two (especially against Watford). As if not having top players isn't enough, our coach insists on playing players that won't be needed for their defensive contributions (as if Matic has been contributing to anything, really) and leaving out the slightest spark of creativity we have, playing against a team that will sit and wait for us. 

Well this is awkward...

[Tautvix 1,321]

The thing about playing Oscar, Kante and Matic is to protect our defenders but people still don't realise that..

[Melanicus 5,208]

2 hours ago, Barbara said:

Did Conte even watch Burnley against Liverpool?

My patience is wearing thin with his insistence on playing Matic AND Oscar. We're playing a team that will sit and wait for us, and we have three fucking defensive players with Cesc - our only creative player - in the bench, playing at home nonetheless. I don't like comparisons in general, but Mourinho would have been crucified if he had opted for something like this.

I don't know if it's stupidity, stubbornness or any dressing room situation we aren't aware of,but one of these days Diego and Barbshuayi won't be able to rescue us in the eleventh hour because our manager insists on picking the wrong players to have in the pitch. We already have problems with the lack of good players, playing two of our worst players in midfield against a team that won't threaten us has me slamming my head on the wall.

I'm not advocating he should leave, that I'm unhappy with him or anything like that. I'm stating what is obvious to me: Conte has made mistakes in the lineup in all three matches we've played so far and it seems he's learned NOTHING from the previous two (especially against Watford). As if not having top players isn't enough, our coach insists on playing players that won't be needed for their defensive contributions (as if Matic has been contributing to anything, really) and leaving out the slightest spark of creativity we have, playing against a team that will sit and wait for us. 

We're playing with both Kante and Matic because our defense is fucking shit. I don't understand how people can't see it. Yes, we have to play like that even against Burnley because they are dangerous from counter attack.

Playing Cesc until we have this kind of defense is a suicide. And he is not even needed against teams that sit deep either. We won without him easily after all.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

A massive tongue the back of his sack to all the armchair managers who slagged off Conte for his selections today. He got everything spot on today. Matic looked great, Oscar composed(except for when he thought he was Hazard) and Kante is becoming a king.

Conte for life! Forza.

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[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

A massive tongue the back of his sack to all the armchair managers who slagged off Conte for his selections today. He got everything spot on today. Matic looked great, Oscar composed(except for when he thought he was Hazard) and Kante is becoming a king.

Conte for life! Forza.

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[Tautvix 1,321]

If we have got Nainggolan, Kalidou and a left back we would probably one of the main contenders for the title..

[calculatingInfinity 1,443]

Yep. I absolutely believe that with 2, maybe 3 signings, Chelsea would be one of the favorites for the league. The board is letting Conte down badly right now, and it will eventually lead to his sacking, no matter how unfair. Just imagine if we get one injury in the defense, or even worse, two injuries (or suspension) and it would all be a complete disaster back there.

 

 

[mccg 1,528]

1 hour ago, Tautvix said:

If we have got Nainggolan, Kalidou and a left back we would probably one of the main contenders for the title..

Or even imagine we had Ake,Christensen,stand up board and be accountable for once !

[Unionjack 7,531]

2 hours ago, Tautvix said:

If we have got Nainggolan, Kalidou and a left back we would probably one of the main contenders for the title..

We would rule the fuckin world!!

4 hours ago, Barbara said:

Did Conte even watch Burnley against Liverpool?

My patience is wearing thin with his insistence on playing Matic AND Oscar. We're playing a team that will sit and wait for us, and we have three fucking defensive players with Cesc - our only creative player - in the bench, playing at home nonetheless. I don't like comparisons in general, but Mourinho would have been crucified if he had opted for something like this.

I don't know if it's stupidity, stubbornness or any dressing room situation we aren't aware of,but one of these days Diego and Barbshuayi won't be able to rescue us in the eleventh hour because our manager insists on picking the wrong players to have in the pitch. We already have problems with the lack of good players, playing two of our worst players in midfield against a team that won't threaten us has me slamming my head on the wall.

I'm not advocating he should leave, that I'm unhappy with him or anything like that. I'm stating what is obvious to me: Conte has made mistakes in the lineup in all three matches we've played so far and it seems he's learned NOTHING from the previous two (especially against Watford). As if not having top players isn't enough, our coach insists on playing players that won't be needed for their defensive contributions (as if Matic has been contributing to anything, really) and leaving out the slightest spark of creativity we have, playing against a team that will sit and wait for us. 

Whats your thoughts now Barbara?

7 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

How can you people call yourself Chelsea fans, you go around insulting the club and everyone who works there, I suggest you may need to find  an new club to support. 

 

Pathetic.

When you put years into something that you love you kinda earn the right to slag someone off that consistently fucks up. We support Chelsea as a club and not the individuals in it. So when we see someone whether they are on the board/manager/player or a ball boy then of course we are going to vent our rage towards them.

Every club throughout the world gets the same from their supporters if they care enough.

[mccg 1,528]

If we don't defensive improvements before window shuts tut tut,But take top4 and cup win then kick on big time!!! nxt season win da lot .

[Fernando 6,454]

Chelsea vs Liverpool is the first real test for Conte and the team. 

We shall see how things progress from now till then. 

[Barbara 15,149]

5 hours ago, NiclasCFC said:

Well this is awkward...

As if we had had any opponent today. I've watched United 2nd half too and was exactly the same. Burnley and Hull didn't play football today. Conte could have played himself and we would still have won.

Now, people who only see results will say it was a perfect lineup. I'm not talking about results. If we had the right players we would have scored eight (although we did could have scored a few more if Costa was sharper).

This is called opinion, I'm not sure some of you are familiar with the concept... I don't agree with the lineup, simple as that.

5 hours ago, Melanicus said:

We're playing with both Kante and Matic because our defense is fucking shit. I don't understand how people can't see it. Yes, we have to play like that even against Burnley because they are dangerous from counter attack.

Playing Cesc until we have this kind of defense is a suicide. And he is not even needed against teams that sit deep either. We won without him easily after all.

But we were playing Burnley at home for God's sake, not City in Manchester.

Burnley was even worse than I predicted them to be. Still Matic and Oscar played some very stupid balls a few times.

When the opposition is crappy is hard to say how much you did well and how much they did wrong.

Fact is, except for Kanté - which is a huge addition - we are exactly the same as last year in terms of team and approach (few differences). When the match started it just become even clearer we didn't need both Matic or Oscar - choose whoever you want, only one.

But I agree with whoever said they weren't as bad as they have been as of late.

5 hours ago, Adnane said:

@Barbara, Sorry, your agenda against Oscar and Matic is just ridiculous. 

They are nowhere as bad as they were last season ( no one in the team is ), and they have done the job in this stat of the season. 

Agenda is for teenagers, I'm way to old to have agendas. I have opinions based on simple logic. Whether my logic is the same as yours, Conte's, or whoever is a different story. Whether someone's logic is right or wrong, doesn't matter, it's their way to view things. I know reasonable debate is beyond many people's reach, but I will stand by my stance.

When did you guys become so reluctant (or lazy) to have an opinion and not just the old, tiring and useless common sense?

So I see, we win, everything is perfect, then when we don't many of you come complaining of exactly the same choices and players.

2 hours ago, Unionjack said:

 

Whats your thoughts now Barbara?

the same I posted during the match thread. Burnley didn't show up today. If anyone can't say they were awful in all things (defending, retaining the ball, attacking, counter-attacking) then I'm done here.

 

My point continues to be the same. Mourinho and others before him were heavily criticized for choices like this. This is criticism to his tactical choices today, had we had a decent opponent we would have scrapped a win (if as much) like we did the other two matches. He will stick to Matic, Oscar and Kanté for a long time it seems and when it starts to pay the obvious dividends it will pay (to the opponents) people will complain about it. Some matches will ask for a more cautious approach, today wasn't one of those.

A team that challenged Matic slightly had made him look clueless and useless just the other week. Oscar is unpredictable. Between poor and average he can be anything, with the odd good day every now and then. Go back a few months ago and this was consensus, but people will only see the results. To each their own.

Now I even had to read in the match thread that all we needed was Batman and Kanté and that reinforcements to our defense is just an extra. This is beyond sad - not the lineup, the lack of critical sense and thinking

[robsblubot 3,502]

Conte is very italian as is his playing style.

Fabregas will have a hard time playing for Comte and since I am not a fan of Fabregas, that works for me. Reckon that players with low intensity won't see many minutes. It's a long season though.

Really can't think of anything wrong with his starting lineups to be honest. It's still not good enough to challenge for anything, but that's hardly his fault.

[Unionjack 7,531]

1 hour ago, Barbara said:

Burnley didn't show up today.

Or was we just so good in posession and pressing high up that Burnley just couldn't play THEIR game? It was only last week they were all over the Scousers and they were supposedly going to give us a hard time.

I really was impressed that we are taking more shots on goal but we still need work on our finishing. We could have hit double figures but them last couple of steps fail us.

[Barbara 15,149]

2 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Or was we just so good in posession and pressing high up that Burnley just couldn't play THEIR game? It was only last week they were all over the Scousers and they were supposedly going to give us a hard time.

I really was impressed that we are taking more shots on goal but we still need work on our finishing. We could have hit double figures but them last couple of steps fail us.

that was one of the worst displays of football. I do believe we made them be even worse, but I think they had a great part on that. They're better defensively than that and we haven't gone unbeaten by them at the Bridge for 45 years by coincidence. They play their worst against us at home and today was a horrific display, helped by our quality, surely, but those things were symbiotic there, we helped them look worse and they helped us look better.