lionsden 4,689 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 All i keep hearing now, is how we played such great football under Benitez.Didn't hear it once when he was here, but now he's gone we were playing great football under him, funny that Atleast rafa never described or presented those terrible/boring performances as free flowing attacking football unlike Jose. he might have said we played well when we didn't but he never once championed a false notion regarding our style of football. Madmax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 On Monday, Jose´s undefeated streak is on line against the nipper of Arsenal.I hope, Jose comes up with something to keep his streak going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Terrible performance. Haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 No matter whether Jose has trouble at Chelsea, the team is not scoring..all was said here, Rafa was not, is not or will not be a better manager than Jose. Despite of Jose´s attitude, this guy is a master tactician. No one can match his skills, no Pep, no Rafa, no red nosed Alex, I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Flash 1,144 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I thought if anyone could help them score it would be Jose, but even he isnt a miracle worker, noone else could make them score anymore. They are done. It is unfair, Moyes is getting all the praise for a winning team starting to win. Jose is getting all the criticism for s*** strikers playing s*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 No matter whether Jose has trouble at Chelsea, the team is not scoring..all was said here, Rafa was not, is not or will not be a better manager than Jose. Despite of Jose´s attitude, this guy is a master tactician. No one can match his skills, no Pep, no Rafa, no red nosed Alex, I feel.Hmm I agree about Rafa but not sure about Pep and Sir Alex, Pep actually dominated Jose when he first came to Madrid, Jose really only got the better from 11-12 on ward and there is a reason why almost every top team last season went after him. While Sir Alex is just one of the best manager in football history, maybe even in top 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Hmm I agree about Rafa but not sure about Pep and Sir Alex, Pep actually dominated Jose when he first came to Madrid, Jose really only got the better from 11-12 on ward and there is a reason why almost every top team last season went after him. While Sir Alex is just one of the best manager in football history, maybe even in top 3?Rafa is no comparison, I feel. As for Pep. Well, do not forget Barca under him were unbeatable, no team had more talent & in top form Messi, then.Red nosed Alex was very good, but Jose had beaten him on many occasions. Even at Real, last time. To me, Jose as a tactician, no one is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Rafa is no comparison, I feel. As for Pep. Well, do not forget Barca under him were unbeatable, no team had more talent & in top form Messi, then.Red nosed Alex was very good, but Jose had beaten him on many occasions. Even at Real, last time. To me, Jose as a tactician, no one is better.Completely agree with you there. But judging from manager point of view I really think he can't be compared to Sir Alex, that man is the true definition of a 'manager', a term being used far too loosely nowadays imo. Jose looks more like a head coach type now at Chelsea for me, he got the final say in transfer but obviously Emmenalo and Roman got more say in it. It isn't like his 1st spell anymore, I think now he could ask for a player but then we need to consider prices, wages, age, long term plan? and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Completely agree with you there. But judging from manager point of view I really think he can't be compared to Sir Alex, that man is the true definition of a 'manager', a term being used far too loosely nowadays imo. Jose looks more like a head coach type now at Chelsea for me, he got the final say in transfer but obviously Emmenalo and Roman got more say in it. It isn't like his 1st spell anymore, I think now he could ask for a player but then we need to consider prices, wages, age, long term plan? and all that.One cannot judge Jose based on whether he has the final say in the transfer of players.If you were to own a club, would you allow one man to do whatever he pleases ? I would not. My money, my team, more heads to decide, I do not want to rely on one Jose only.To compare red nosed to Jose, I only said Jose is a better tactician. Of course, red nosed had 25 years at United, the record says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Rafa had less expectations...When he was appointed, we were pretty much eliminated from the Champs league and from what I remembered, our league title was already gone by than.... In addition, he knew he was an "interim" so couldnt care less about other factors like Jose has to....LAstly, the expectations from fans was pretty much impossible to obtain for Jose.....I really cannot believe Im reading that people thought we played good football with Rafa... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Rafa had less expectations...When he was appointed, we were pretty much eliminated from the Champs league and from what I remembered, our league title was already gone by than.... In addition, he knew he was an "interim" so couldnt care less about other factors like Jose has to....LAstly, the expectations from fans was pretty much impossible to obtain for Jose.....I really cannot believe Im reading that people thought we played good football with Rafa...If you could name 1 person on here who said that I will be grateful. We had 'good MATCHES' under him(Villa, Basel...etc) no one said we played good football overall with him. Same as no one is saying he is better than Jose.What expectations are you talking about? The basic ones like playing good proper attacking football? Winning at least a trophy every season or come pretty close to winning them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeboii 1,844 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 The thing about Benitez was that he didn't have as many options as Mourinho.Benitez had to rely on Hazard, Mata, Oscar and Moses....and in most games, the attacking midfielders played well.The biggest problem is that, even after Benitez left, the board/manager did not address the key problem in central-midfield Maybe if MVG wasn't injured, things would be different...but honestly, you can't expect to dominate the opposition with an ageing Lampard, Ramires, the slow Mikel and an ageing Essien. We had the transfer window to buy a proven CM/DM...but instead we decided to buy a young CM & three attacking mids (including Atsu on loan at Vitesse)...I think Atsu is actually bought as a CM.... He plays there sometimes for Vitesse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I'm hearing good things about us signing two or three in January, two of which would go straight into our starting 11. Mourinho is finally waking up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD3D 1,038 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 If you were to own a club, would you allow one man to do whatever he pleases ? I would not. My money, my team, more heads to decide, I do not want to rely on one Jose only.If the owner is the one who decides which players to buy, then why does he need a manager in the first place?Your philosophy is ridiculous in my opinion. Managers are to be given a budget, and with that budget they are to hire the players THEY think fit THEIR tactics and style, so they can do THEIR job. If you hire a manager and expect him to do miracles with a squad he doesn't know how to work with, then you'll be seeing plenty of bad results.If you look at the most successful managers in the history of football, you'll come to the conclusion all of them were/are the type of managers with strong personality who don't let anyone pick their squad for them.Naturally, the manager shouldn't be the one choosing how much money is spent. But he ALONE should be the one deciding who gets to join the team with the budget that he's given. Sidzeret, Jype and Barbara 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 4,400 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I reckon Jose can't wait for this season to end just so he can change this team. You can tell he hates having these type of players. xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Flash 1,144 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Just looking at the upcoming fixtures for us, it is a long hard run, Arsenal on Monday, then Swansea on Thursday, then Liverpool on Sunday then another game on the first and it goes on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanSnake 1,211 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Pat Nevins analyse of Mourinho:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25380991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Hate Scouse 10,327 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Just looking at the upcoming fixtures for us, it is a long hard run, Arsenal on Monday, then Swansea on Thursday, then Liverpool on Sunday then another game on the first and it goes on... Southampton away on 1st as well...Arsenal, Swansea, Liverpool, Southampton, that could easily be 4 loses on the trot. The_Flash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! nofacej 132 Posted December 21, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted December 21, 2013 Benitez was appointed on the 21st of November 2012.At the time (19/11/12) we were third in the league and only 4 points behind United who were first.On 26/12/12 we were still third in the league, but a full 11 points behind United.By the end of April (2013) that gap had extended to a full 20 points.The only good thing Benitez achieved at our club was the Europa League.We underperformed in every other competition under his guidance.Stop glorifying a manager that barely scraped a top 4 position in the league from a very strong starting position, and vilifying one who lead us to a first place CL group qualification and has us within two points of the Premier League leaders. And that's without even mentioning Mourinho's past achievements and track record. Winning the Europa League spared our blushes from even being in the competition to begin with, it wasn't a triumphant moment. And let's not forget the embarrassing Club World Cup defeat. Sidzeret, daBlackMamba7, HD3D and 11 others 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 If the owner is the one who decides which players to buy, then why does he need a manager in the first place?Your philosophy is ridiculous in my opinion. Managers are to be given a budget, and with that budget they are to hire the players THEY think fit THEIR tactics and style, so they can do THEIR job. If you hire a manager and expect him to do miracles with a squad he doesn't know how to work with, then you'll be seeing plenty of bad results.If you look at the most successful managers in the history of football, you'll come to the conclusion all of them were/are the type of managers with strong personality who don't let anyone pick their squad for them.Naturally, the manager shouldn't be the one choosing how much money is spent. But he ALONE should be the one deciding who gets to join the team with the budget that he's given.Wrong & shortsighted peep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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