The Mourinho Thread

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

09-10 yes, but you can't seriously be suggesting what he served up in 10-11 was anything close to good football, surely?. It was static, lethargic and devoid of anything positive, worse than anything we saw under Mou, Benitez, Scolari or AVB.

That was the board's fault for letting Ballack, Deco, Calvarlo and a few others go without replacing them, then leaving an ageing squad unbalanced with youth team players then to top it all of sign Torres for 50 million, someone we clearly didnt need at the time(by the way Ancelloti wanted Aguero) so I blame the board for 10-11 not carlo

[Stats 7,060]

I really don't get the purpose of all this strange posts.

- Mou said the team is in transition

- Mou admitted he wont sucrifice wnning for the sake of playing beautyfull football, anyone of you wanting this should support Peps team, they really should

- Mou said we wont be champions and probably wont win anything but he will try all to do so

- Mou tells hazard to shut up and get his work done on the pitch for the team

- Mou defends his players as long as they stand behind him

- Mou limited Ashs, Lamps time on the pitch

We overachieved in this season, and this wasn't good for some of our fans, they had too high expectations. Mou stood to his words and had always a plan. Football is a game and so isn't predictable, you only can give your best to win, sometimes its enough sometimes not... get used to it...

I agree with some of the stuff you said here but to say we "overachieved" is stretching it. Have we had a decent season and improved from last season? Of course but you can't say we overachieved when we are likely to finish 3rd whereas most people this season would of assumed it would have been us and City battling it out for first and second place. UCL, we got to the semis, definitely an improvement but could we have got to the final? Yes, but unfortunately not but we certainly done the best out of all the British teams. FA Cup got knocked out and same with Carling cup.

So we are likely to end the season trophyless. No way am I saying we overachieved. I don't settle of Arsenal's mentality of 'finishing top 4 as a decent season'. I expect more but on the other hand while his football may piss people off we now have (hopefully) a stable manager for the next 5+ years who will improve the team as the years go on and like yourself and Mourinho said this is a transition season and that is why I will not say we underachieved as well but if have had a decent/solid season.

Next season onwards I am sure we will go from strength to strength and hopefully regain our league title.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Mourinho fan boys!!!!?

Go fuck yourself with your childish 'fan boy' sayings and listen up meat head, you're saying the same shit that he said!

You have just proven my point right there, mourinho fan boys only see positive when it comes to him never negative even if he blew the league with 4 games to go

[Tomo 21,733]

That was the board's fault for letting Ballack, Deco, Calvarlo and a few others go without replacing them, then leaving an ageing squad unbalanced with youth team players then to top it all of sign Torres for 50 million, someone we clearly didnt need at the time(by the way Ancelloti wanted Aguero) so I blame the board for 10-11 not carlo

Wilkins said Carlo wanted Torres and we nearly got him after the WC before he signed a new Liverpool contract.

The board didn't help matters, but it's laughable how Carlo escapes blame for that season, sterile tactics, kept reapeating the same thing over and over, naming line up's in press conferences, getting tactically outsmarted by Kenny Dalglish of all people.

[His Majesty 43]

27/36 against the top teams: thanks to Mourinho

Shit results against the lower tier games: also the responsibility of Mourinho although a striker would help, still, blaming it on the squad is a bit cheap, we should have done way more with those games

So all in all we had a decent season. Hopefully the foundations for next season are there and with a few signings (honestly I don't want to see 5-6 new players like this year, I'm positive this squad can deliver), we can go for the title.

[didierforever 7,349]

You know, rather than bicker or going back and forth with the discussion, why not just agree to disagree and be friendly with one another?

Can't be that hard. Even cats can do it..

dude!!! wtf is it with u and cats!!!??? do u have a cat-fetich??!!

[Jase 43,479]

dude!!! wtf is it with u and cats!!!??? do u have a cat-fetich??!!

First, I love cats. They are just so cute!

Secondly, I was just trying to diffuse the situation, if possible, since things have gone rather 'wild' in here after last week. So, yeah..

[Clevemayer 764]

I agree with some of the stuff you said here but to say we "overachieved" is stretching it. Have we had a decent season and improved from last season? Of course but you can't say we overachieved when we are likely to finish 3rd whereas most people this season would of assumed it would have been us and City battling it out for first and second place. UCL, we got to the semis, definitely an improvement but could we have got to the final? Yes, but unfortunately not but we certainly done the best out of all the British teams. FA Cup got knocked out and same with Carling cup.

So we are likely to end the season trophyless. No way am I saying we overachieved. I don't settle of Arsenal's mentality of 'finishing top 4 as a decent season'. I expect more but on the other hand while his football may piss people off we now have (hopefully) a stable manager for the next 5+ years who will improve the team as the years go on and like yourself and Mourinho said this is a transition season and that is why I will not say we underachieved as well but if have had a decent/solid season.

Next season onwards I am sure we will go from strength to strength and hopefully regain our league title.

It's not important if you agree with me or not, the important point is you understand that this season we didn't fight for the title, because we simply couldn't. I say we overachived and it has gotten ppl to think in a wrong way about our possibilities. We fought with city for the title, there are mere 2 pts seperateing us from Liverpool and this is because they had an unexpectedly high flying season so far. So I don't know where this argument from you is directed at. It makes no sense to me.

We overachieved for me because we played some very nice football and did so pretty much immediatly. We fought for the two biggest trophies right till the end against 4 very good teams which all had as good players or better ones than we have. Hate'em or not Tottenham, Everton, Man City, Chelsea and even Arsenal and Looserpool had very good and balanced squads (even though arsenal fuck'ed it up like always). Liverpool had a good decent run helped by the fact they didn't play CL let them fly high.

Further you saying I have Arse( a )nal standards because I'm fine with a top three finish in a tight seasen, where we've played with literally no striker and a CM that didn't click at all plus the team was supposed to change the philosophy to a more "attractive" style is ridiciulus to say the least. It's ppl like you that make a change in a shape and a overhaul in tactics impossible because you demand success and you will call for the head of the coach after a maximum two seasons (because you want a "longtime soloution" you will give him two seasons) and you wont accept a mid table finishing. I on the other hand don't give a f*** und will accept any finish as long as ppl give they're all. We could be full of Cahills in the squad as long as they fight till the end. But I can't live with any individual egomaniacs demanding all should be they're way. I will even accept five straight seasons without CL if the club would bring in better players with promise. We've been lucky we got so many young players mixed with the old dogs in the squad. It nearly was too late and maybe was one or two seasons too late to accept the old guard wont carry us anymore but we realised it soon enough.

We have a very nice youthful squad which lacks certain qualitys and the seniormembers wanted to do it but couldn't (despite Terry). Lamps didn't have the legs and Ash was dropped for certain reasons.

Very good seasons, achieved challenges and nearly went much further then expected... thats my point

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Like it or not, the first season was a success. We're in a great position to evolve and get further. Yes the UCL Semi and defeats to Palace, Villa and Sunderland hurt, especially Sunderland and Atletico but the players will learn from that. We know what we need and we know what to do. It's all about the summer now and i reckon the club have already secured deals and earmarked who they want anyway.02

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Anyone calling for Mourinho's head are mad. Our record against the top 7 has been phenomenal. Next season will be slightly transitional but better.Tthe year after we could win the lot.02

I almost lost hope for this thread. Thank you for putting some light during these dark days

[The Skipper 20,593]

It has been a pretty good season, but I wouldn't say we overachieved. I said at the start of the season that I expected a top 3 finish, a deep run in the CL and maybe one of the cups if things go our way. So in that sense we've met expectations, but I wouldn't say we've overachieved IMO.

Overachieving would be winning the league or/and winning the CL.

[Clevemayer 764]

It has been a pretty good season, but I wouldn't say we overachieved. I said at the start of the season that I expected a top 3 finish, a deep run in the CL and maybe one of the cups if things go our way. So in that sense we've met expectations, but I wouldn't say we've overachieved IMO.

Overachieving would be winning the league or/and winning the CL.

I can live with this view mate

[BlueLyon 9,359]

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/ballbesitz/wettbewerb_GB1.html

We have the highest ball possession in the league.

http://www.squawka.c...otal#desc#total

Filter by chances created, and you will see us 2nd. Not bad for a team that supposedly only plays defensive football, and has no creativity.

A couple of top strikers will sort this out. Eto'o has been good but can't play week in week out anymore, Ba and Torres hinder this team so much.

Well on whoscored we are not even in top 5, in terms of ball posesion.

Am I missing sth?

[Alan Partridge 1,124]

Could be worse, look at United

Liverpool's best season in years and we weren't far behind them or City

Wenger has been at Arsenal a long time and this was Arsenal's best chance at winning the league, didn't happen.

Costa will pull defenders all over the place and make space for our midfielders he can hold the ball up too. It's been too easy for teams to play against us this season. Men behind the ball and don't give Hazard any room it's very effective when we have no one decent up front. I still think a good CM that can distribute the ball quickly is needed, we are too slow going from defense to attack.

Have faith! You want stability and it requires patience.

Next season we will see the difference a few key signings will bring

[BlueLyon 9,359]

We all expect (and hope) Mou will buy LB, CM and striker (all top level, I guess).

But Mou could do a masterstroke, bringing just two world class strikers. Lets imagine Costa and Benzema/Cavani. And no one else. Money wise, that would be possible. With the sales of deadwood etc. But willl Psg/Real sell...thats different fact.

Anyway, Mou could put all apples into one basket and pick two world class strikers. Im sure everyone would prefer CM and LB too, but lets say Mou gets strikers only. And then all the questions is he mad and how bad is our midfield etc...maybe its just two world class strikers that we need. If Mou pulls something crazy like that and goes on winning league, with improved Ramires in pivot, I think that would be pretty epic.

We seem to have soo many problems, maybe we only need couple of realy good strikers. I would prefer CM too, but its up to Mou who will he buy with available money.

[The Skipper 20,593]

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/ballbesitz/wettbewerb_GB1.html

We have the highest ball possession in the league.

http://www.squawka.c...otal#desc#total

Filter by chances created, and you will see us 2nd. Not bad for a team that supposedly only plays defensive football, and has no creativity.

A couple of top strikers will sort this out. Eto'o has been good but can't play week in week out anymore, Ba and Torres hinder this team so much.

Those possession stats are incorrect. Here's the right table for you. We're 8th in the league:

Also, the chance creation stat is very, very misleading. It's definition:

"the final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball having an attempt at goal without scoring"

So basically, any shot at goal is considered a "chance created", and we all know that a lot of the shots we've had this season were speculative/long range. Not real quality selected shots.

[Stats 7,060]

It's not important if you agree with me or not, the important point is you understand that this season we didn't fight for the title, because we simply couldn't. I say we overachived and it has gotten ppl to think in a wrong way about our possibilities. We fought with city for the title, there are mere 2 pts seperateing us from Liverpool and this is because they had an unexpectedly high flying season so far. So I don't know where this argument from you is directed at. It makes no sense to me.

We overachieved for me because we played some very nice football and did so pretty much immediatly. We fought for the two biggest trophies right till the end against 4 very good teams which all had as good players or better ones than we have. Hate'em or not Tottenham, Everton, Man City, Chelsea and even Arsenal and Looserpool had very good and balanced squads (even though arsenal fuck'ed it up like always). Liverpool had a good decent run helped by the fact they didn't play CL let them fly high.

Further you saying I have Arse( a )nal standards because I'm fine with a top three finish in a tight seasen, where we've played with literally no striker and a CM that didn't click at all plus the team was supposed to change the philosophy to a more "attractive" style is ridiciulus to say the least. It's ppl like you that make a change in a shape and a overhaul in tactics impossible because you demand success and you will call for the head of the coach after a maximum two seasons (because you want a "longtime soloution" you will give him two seasons) and you wont accept a mid table finishing. I on the other hand don't give a f*** und will accept any finish as long as ppl give they're all. We could be full of Cahills in the squad as long as they fight till the end. But I can't live with any individual egomaniacs demanding all should be they're way. I will even accept five straight seasons without CL if the club would bring in better players with promise. We've been lucky we got so many young players mixed with the old dogs in the squad. It nearly was too late and maybe was one or two seasons too late to accept the old guard wont carry us anymore but we realised it soon enough.

We have a very nice youthful squad which lacks certain qualitys and the seniormembers wanted to do it but couldn't (despite Terry). Lamps didn't have the legs and Ash was dropped for certain reasons.

Very good seasons, achieved challenges and nearly went much further then expected... thats my point

Mate, don't think I was having a go at you. I was simply making the same point as The Skipper. I wouldnt say we played entertaining football as a whole this season. I would say we have done what is necessary to win the game. This is nothing to do with the big games btw. I am talking about games against lower opposition teams. Do I think the football could have been better? Yes. Mix and match for me. Some games we have entertained and some others we have been a bit more cautious in our approach.

My point about Arsenal was not a dig at you. I was mocking Arsenal mate. Don't take offense to that. However some of the stuff you mentioned is complete rubbish and overboard. I have not ever "demanded success". I have always said as a whole I am content with the season. Annoyed about the league because we won all the big games but flopped up in the ones we should have won. Where have you got any proof to say I am one of those who demand success. Chill out seriously.

Yes, we have challenged for the league and fallen just short but like I said we are ending the season trophyless and most likely 3rd place. That is no way an overachievement let alone an achievement. But it has been a solid season where we have provided a solid stepping stone for next season. I still don't agree with your reasons for saying we overachieved. Does not make sense to me. If I had been demanding success you would have seen me saying this season is a failure. In the actual poll I voted that this season was neither a failure or a success.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

It has been a pretty good season, but I wouldn't say we overachieved. I said at the start of the season that I expected a top 3 finish, a deep run in the CL and maybe one of the cups if things go our way. So in that sense we've met expectations, but I wouldn't say we've overachieved IMO.

Overachieving would be winning the league or/and winning the CL.

Sanity at last!!!

Proper judgement, not rants, not side attacks, no moaning just plain and raw assessment of the season.

[DDA 9,689]

You have just proven my point right there, mourinho fan boys only see positive when it comes to him never negative even if he blew the league with 4 games to go

How has this proven any point of yours. I don't think Jose gets everything right and and have already stated how much he has got wrong this season. It's not about 'fanboys' or 'bias', there's more to football than black and white.