The Mourinho Thread

[The only place to be 11,313]

Are we a selling club like Arsenal now? I can't believe I'm reading some of the crap on here. People are actually willing to accept offers for our best players because it's a decent offer?

Do we even need the money? Like are a big club like CFC in desperate need for money? Is Luiz unhappy at CFC? I repeat, we're not a selling club. Why people would actually be willing to sell someone who's going to be a big part of our future is astonishing. This is exactly why Arsenal are in the shit they are now.

People scream for player loyalty but when it comes the other way around it goes out of the window.

It really isn't.

Both the offers for Luiz and Ivanovic (if they're real) should be considered. At the moment, neither one of these players is a key player in my opinion. Luiz is close to being one, but we still need another no-nonsense player alongside him. As for Bane, if the rumours of a £25 million bid from Monaco are true then I don't know how we could say no to that.

It's not a case of us being a selling club, but in the modern game every club needs consider any worthwhile offer especially if it gives them freedom to invest to make the club better.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Re luiz. I honestly would take 30 odd million for him no problem. He's defensively a massive liability, when he loses the ball his idle dander back grates me. Hes much more accomplished in the middle of the park but for 30 million we could get better. As for torres, he can go no complaints from me. Anyway i trust Jose to do whats right. Ktbffh

[didierforever 7,349]

You'd rather him over Cech?

i would rather that both he and cech play for chelsea this season. i dont know how good thibaut's cross handling but his shot-stopping, reflex is definitely equal to cech.

[The Skipper 20,609]

It really isn't.

Both the offers for Luiz and Ivanovic (if they're real) should be considered. At the moment, neither one of these players is a key player in my opinion. Luiz is close to being one, but we still need another no-nonsense player alongside him. As for Bane, if the rumours of a £25 million bid from Monaco are true then I don't know how we could say no to that.

It's not a case of us being a selling club, but in the modern game every club needs consider any worthwhile offer especially if it gives them freedom to invest to make the club better.

Well, in my opinion Luiz is very much key to the future of this club. Everyone knows my opinion on Luiz - I'm comparing it to Arsenal because they also had decent offers for key men like Fabregas, Nasri, Song, RVP, Clichy etc. and let them go - look at their club now. If they kept that core Arsenal would've been far better off right now, easily challenging for trophies. It's a domino effect - one of their key players left and the rest is history.

You keep your key players - you don't sell them off for a "decent" price once they're entering their prime.

Ivanovic is a bit of a different story as £25m for a 29 year old who isn't a key player IMO is obviously a superb offer - I mean I'd consider it but then again player loyalty comes into it for me. Branislav is obviously very happy here and he's getting games, so I doubt he'd actually like to go to Monaco in the first place.

The lads in the squad will most likely be very disappointed if we let two huge characters in our team go. Team spirit is annoyingly so often overlooked by many people.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Well, in my opinion Luiz is very much key to the future of this club. Everyone knows my opinion on Luiz - I'm comparing it to Arsenal because they also had decent offers for key men like Fabregas, Nasri, Song, RVP, Clichy etc. and let them go - look at their club now. If they kept that core Arsenal would've been far better off right now, easily challenging for trophies. It's a domino effect - one of their key players left and the rest is history.

You keep your key players - you don't sell them off for a "decent" price once they're entering their prime.

Ivanovic is a bit of a different story as £25m for a 29 year old who isn't a key player IMO is obviously a superb offer - I mean I'd consider it but then again player loyalty comes into it for me. Branislav is obviously very happy here and he's getting games, so I doubt he'd actually like to go to Monaco in the first place.

The Arsenal example is overused. Their problem came from underinvesting in their squad and making bad purchases of overpaid, established players. We're still investing in our squad so we're a long way from doing what they did.

Luiz is a great player, but he's not at that point where he's the rock we build upon. He still needs to show he can be relied upon at all times - he's gone some way to doing that but he needs to show me a few more months of consistency before he's a key player. He's not yet at that point where you consider him a cornerstone of the team and that's why most people agree that we need to buy that no-nonsense defender in the transfer window.

[Marvin123 537]

We need to keep Luiz, he will only get better with age

Future captain!!!

[The Skipper 20,609]

The Arsenal example is overused. Their problem came from underinvesting in their squad and making bad purchases of overpaid, established players. We're still investing in our squad so we're a long way from doing what they did.

Luiz is a great player, but he's not at that point where he's the rock we build upon. He still needs to show he can be relied upon at all times - he's gone some way to doing that but he needs to show me a few more months of consistency before he's a key player. He's not yet at that point where you consider him a cornerstone of the team and that's why most people agree that we need to buy that no-nonsense defender in the transfer window.

Why fix something that clearly isn't broken though?

Luiz is about to enter his prime, he's about to give us his best years. At least give him a chance to show us that he can be that corner stone for us (which I think he already is tbh).

[Strike 7,494]

Are we a selling club like Arsenal now? I can't believe I'm reading some of the crap on here. People are actually willing to accept offers for our best players because it's a decent offer?

Do we even need the money? Like are a big club like CFC in desperate need for money? Is Luiz unhappy at CFC? I repeat, we're not a selling club. Why people would actually be willing to sell someone who's going to be a big part of our future is astonishing. This is exactly why Arsenal are in the shit they are now.

People scream for player loyalty but when it comes the other way around it goes out of the window.

Disagree. Player attachment is one thing but blatantly rejecting big offers for players like Ramires and Ivanovic etc is stupid. No harm considering them.

But I say nothing about Luiz or any of the other core players. Only players we can manage without

[The only place to be 11,313]

Why fix something that clearly isn't broken though?

Luiz is about to enter his prime, he's about to give us his best years. At least give him a chance to show us that he can be that corner stone for us (which I think he already is tbh).

That's kinda my point though - any discussion about Luiz is based on potential. Now I think he'll fulfil that potential with the right coaching but it's still potential. He still needs to cut out the errors (he basically gave a goal away against Everton) and until he does that on a consistent basis then any big offer needs to be considered.

I don't see him leaving and I really like what he means to this club beyond his defending but he's one of those players who needs to make a step-up next year.

[DavidEU 2,023]

A couple of weeks ago all the media were talking about Jose coming back and making Luiz captain. Now its that he's looking to sell him. Clearly they don't have a clue with this one.

[Term-X 7,891]

Lets not jump the wagon like TX did by calling Mourinho a traitor prematurely.

Yes he WOULD have been a traitor had he gone to United, how many times do I have to explain this?, it's not a hard concept to grasp.

It's not 'jumping on the bandwagon', it's a fact that still stands.. hypothetically.

[laeth 527]

No way in hell to we'll sell Luiz. He is already one of the best centre backs in the world and he is only going to get better.

[Pizy 18,953]

I agree with those two, but if we are talking about 3 'unsellable players', I'd replace Luiz with Cech.

When I say un-sellable, I mean irreplaceable. Like if they were sold we couldn't immediately go out and buy someone of equal or greater ability.

If we sold Cech we'd have Courtois to bring in. We couldn't go out and just buy someone as good as either Mata and Hazard.

[Term-X 7,891]

Mourinho is a lunatic if he wants to sell Luiz. Best way to turn many fans against him before he even manages his first game in the league.

Turn fans against him?, how long have you supported this club?, the 'fans' would back Mourinho regardless.

You clearly wasn't a fan of the club during his era, or.. you're about 12 years old. You could watch documentaries about his time here, but you won't be able to understand the 'feeling' of having Mourinho at the helm.

[Phil Driver 503]

The best thing about Jose coming back is we all? ( I do ) trust him and have complete confidence in him ,I have opinions on players as does everybody but I trust Jose to know what is best for Chelsea.

With somebody like Luiz if Jose thinks he can coach him to be better than I will go with that and if Jose thinks £35 million is a good deal and Jose has other players in mind I will go with that.

Jose may see selling Luiz and signing Varane as the best deal .

[The Skipper 20,609]

Disagree. Player attachment is one thing but blatantly rejecting big offers for players like Ramires and Ivanovic etc is stupid. No harm considering them.

But I say nothing about Luiz or any of the other core players. Only players we can manage without

Hmm. Each one to their own then. I don't think it's stupid to keep a group of players who obviously have great team spirit together. I'd consider how it effects the group first before looking at the money.

Opposition fans have often called Ramires one of our best players. I really rate Ramires personally and I know the players at the club do too; I think he'd actually start for any club in the PL. It'd take more than £30m for me to sell him. Call me stupid but that's just me. Loyalty and team spirit is very important to me.

That's kinda my point though - any discussion about Luiz is based on potential. Now I think he'll fulfil that potential with the right coaching but it's still potential. He still needs to cut out the errors (he basically gave a goal away against Everton) and until he does that on a consistent basis then any big offer needs to be considered.

I don't see him leaving and I really like what he means to this club beyond his defending but he's one of those players who needs to make a step-up next year.

I seriously think he's already made that step up and proved to many this season that he'll be a vital player for this club over the next couple of years.

No defender goes a season without a few defensive mistakes. It happens. People are still focusing more on Luiz's few defensive mistakes than the good he's done. Short term memories - because of his mistake against Everton people have again resorted to calling him a defensive liability despite of him performing well at CB before that.

[nono 791]

Turn fans against him?, how long have you supported this club?, the 'fans' would back Mourinho regardless.

You clearly wasn't a fan of the club during his era, or.. you're about 12 years old. You could watch documentaries about his time here, but you won't be able to understand the 'feeling' of having Mourinho at the helm.

I have suffered all 7 years of Mikel's tenure.

You will clearly eat a box of Mourinho's turds as if they were hersheys chocolates, but not everyone is like you. I support the return of Mourinho. However, there is a limit to my tolerance. If you give him unlimited control he will leave us in the same misery as last time.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Yes he WOULD have been a traitor had he gone to United, how many times do I have to explain this?, it's not a hard concept to grasp.

It's not 'jumping on the bandwagon', it's a fact that still stands.. hypothetically.

The point is that you looked utterly ridiculous, and people like to keep bringing it up.

[Term-X 7,891]

The point is that you looked utterly ridiculous, and people like to keep bringing it up.

But I still feel the same way (hypothetically), it's not a knee-jerk. The same applies to if Lampard had joined United.

[mybodyisready 155]

I don't care what Mourinho does, he still has and always will have 100% backing from me. Also yes, Mourinho and Lampard would of been traitors had they gone to United. If they were nobodies in Chelsea history then fine but they're legends.