bluephoenix 1,131 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I'm sorry but out of all those players KDB and to a lesser extent Luiz are the only ones that are errors.Schurrle has completely lost it, Mata has been bang average ever since early 2013, Lukaku just isn't as good as Costa and Thorgan has a buy back clause.I would have succumbed to that had the players that were bought had performed better than those players for the said reasons which unfortunately isn't the case.in my opinion Schurrle could have been revived but not that mad about his sale. Mata is way better than the options we have right now ( I think he would have had a good impact on the team, if my memory serves me right he had a good linkup with Hazard). I wasn't suggesting Lukaku was better than Costa but could/would have been a much better alternative than Falcao or Remy. Makes little sense to get Thorgan back for more money when he was already a Chelsea player(but then if selling him is what takes the team to take him seriously and play him as regular then I am ok with it)Good managers should bring the best in players / mould players to perform at their best. zolayes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I would have succumbed to that had the players that were bought had performed better than those players for the said reasons which unfortunately isn't the case.in my opinion Schurrle could have been revived but not that mad about his sale. Mata is way better than the options we have right now ( I think he would have had a good impact on the team, if my memory serves me right he had a good linkup with Hazard). I wasn't suggesting Lukaku was better than Costa but could/would have been a much better alternative than Falcao or Remy. Makes little sense to get Thorgan back for more money when he was already a Chelsea player(but then if selling him is what takes the team to take him seriously and play him as regular then I am ok with it)Good managers should bring the best in players / mould players to perform at their best. Every manager has preferences, like say Pep for example didn't fancy Bojan.With Schurrle we may have fuked up with his replacement but letting him go was anything but the wrong decision taking the emotional side out of it (i appreciate fans felt a personal connection with him), he was terrible in his last six months here and if anything has got worse back in Germany, unfortunately his illness has affected his career more than anyone could have imagined, which is a shame.Mata had good play with Hazard at his best, like say Cesc does with Costa when he is playing well, but a top form Mata hasn't been seen (consistently) for years, his decline since early 2013 has been just as steep as Cesc's since the turn of this year has been, which is why it makes me laugh that the same people that (rightly) lay into Cesc want Mata back.Lukaku would have been a decent #2 but he didn't want that, we got a very good deal for him (meaning we effectively only payed £4m for Costa) and he got the first team footy he wanted, everyone's happy.Thorgan was a clever bit of business, gives him a sense of stability but also the knowledge we will consider bringing him back if he does well, we should insert buy back clauses more often imo. Essien19 and herzogian 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Every manager has preferences, like say Pep for example didn't fancy Bojan.With Schurrle we may have fuked up with his replacement but letting him go was anything but the wrong decision taking the emotional side out of it (i appreciate fans felt a personal connection with him), he was terrible in his last six months here and if anything has got worse back in Germany, unfortunately his illness has affected his career more than anyone could have imagined, which is a shame.Mata had good play with Hazard at his best, like say Cesc does with Costa when he is playing well, but a top form Mata hasn't been seen (consistently) for years, his decline since early 2013 has been just as steep as Cesc's since the turn of this year has been, which is why it makes me laugh that the same people that (rightly) lay into Cesc want Mata back.Lukaku would have been a decent #2 but he didn't want that, we got a very good deal for him (meaning we effectively only payed £4m for Costa) and he got the first team footy he wanted, everyone's happy.Thorgan was a clever bit of business, gives him a sense of stability but also the knowledge we will consider bringing him back if he does well, we should insert buy back clauses more often imo.Lukaku bought for £17 millionLukaku sold for £28 millionDiego Costa bought for £32 millionCloser to £21million than 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Lukaku bought for £17 millionLukaku sold for £28 millionDiego Costa bought for £32 millionCloser to £11million than 4. £21million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 £21millionWhatever, I've been drinking. I typed the wrong number out. You are right. Reddish-Blue and didierforever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Whatever, I've been drinking. I typed the wrong number out. You are right.drinking at 5pm? my fucking bosses wont let me get out until 8. thats a completely different matter that most of the time i am surfing the net rather than actually working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 drinking at 5pm? my fucking bosses wont let me get out until 8. thats a completely different matter that most of the time i am surfing the net rather than actually working. It is nearly 2:25am. I'm in America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 It is nearly 2:25am. I'm in America.go on dude. BlueLion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,570 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Jose Mourinho facing a stadium ban after telling referee Jon Moss: "Arsene Wenger was right, you are fucking soft".Lol... Blue_Fox_, Muzchap, couris and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOS 580 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I don't know if Jose should be sacked or not but you know who should, no, must be sacked? who ever was in charge of our summer dealings and the genius who came up with the idea of the post season matches... those mofos! stroey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin 2,484 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 What about what happens AFTER Mourinho gets the sack? Who do you think can save us? How? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethos1 802 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Am I the only one who doesn't care that much about making top 4? I'd rather see us play some really good football like the first half of last season and finish like 5th than seeing us play like we have been since January. ZOS, bluephoenix and zolayes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Jose Mourinho facing a stadium ban after telling referee Jon Moss: "Arsene Wenger was right, you are fucking soft".Lol...HAHAHA I'm sorry, that's fucking brilliant. Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Am I the only one who doesn't care that much about making top 4? I'd rather see us play some really good football like the first half of last season and finish like 5th than seeing us play like we have been since January.a lot of us would have been much happier simply if players like baba, RLC, kenedy, traore were given a better chance. that would have been a statement of purpose to the other players as well as to our youth players, most of whom would have given up on ever making it here. guddy6969, zolayes and Muzchap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluephoenix 1,131 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Am I the only one who doesn't care that much about making top 4? I'd rather see us play some really good football like the first half of last season and finish like 5th than seeing us play like we have been since January.I know I don't care top 4 this season atleast. I would also take path to recovery in terms of seeing youngsters and new tactics/formation ahead of top 4. Besides I for one believe only if we change our formation/tactics and start to concentrate on good football will even be able to reach top 5. A wise man once said "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" same thing applies to us. It would be insane if Mourinho continues to do whatever he think he is doing right now and expect that we would come out on top.Also for starters Mourinho needs to keep his mouth sealed. No bad mouthing the players or team or the medical staff or opposition managers or the referees or himself for that matter. Results first then have a go at the media zolayes, Essien19 and Muzchap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Am I the only one who doesn't care that much about making top 4? I'd rather see us play some really good football like the first half of last season and finish like 5th than seeing us play like we have been since January.I can just about stomach the shit football if we are winning - but it makes me sad inside. Now we are losing/drawing I cannot stand the football we play - it just lacks everything. If he could change (he can't) then I genuinely believe he has a shot at keeping his job. Let's be clear here - the only person responsible for the sacking (inevitable IMHO) of Mourinho is MOURINHO himself!The board have shown unprecedented levels of support - Jose is the one self destructing here - and in a way, it would probably be best if the Board done the decent thing and put him out of his misery - at least that way the Jose fanboys can still pretend he's the best manager in the world - rather than witness his ultimate demise as the season unfolds. As much as he annoys me - I'd rather he leave sooner rather than later. I guess the lineup tonight will give us some indications of what he is thinking. zolayes, Mana and bluephoenix 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Rhino's Skin 972 Posted October 27, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted October 27, 2015 If I was responsible for the running of Chelsea, I would like Mourinho to take time out for a month to sort 'personal' issues out that are away from football and to give him a chance to refresh, take stock of the whole situation ( including looking at himself) .Let Steve Holland run the team coaching and face the cameras during this period, and then when Mourinho comes back...see how the land lies then.Too many 'fans' are trigger happy these days and its rather ironic its the same ones that call for a managers head, or say we should sign X and get rid of Y after dodgy performances etc etc that have criticized the alleged trigger happy board/ Roman in the past for getting rid of managers/players to early .Mourinho just looks as if he needs time away for a bit....but whether he himself would allow that is another story Blue_Fox_, Muzchap, Essien19 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 If I was responsible for the running of Chelsea, I would like Mourinho to take time out for a month to sort 'personal' issues out that are away from football and to give him a chance to refresh, take stock of the whole situation ( including looking at himself) . Let Steve Holland run the team coaching and face the cameras during this period, and then when Mourinho comes back...see how the land lies then. Too many 'fans' are trigger happy these days and its rather ironic its the same ones that call for a managers head, or say we should sign X and get rid of Y after dodgy performances that have criticized the board/ Roman in the past for getting rid of managers/players to early etc etc. Mourinho just looks as if he needs time away for a bit....but whether he himself would allow that is another story This should happen more in football. Managers given sabatticals. His dad was/is seriously ill as well -we'd get time off for that in our jobs. Anyway if he gets the Spanish Archer I reckon it will be becuase hes engineered it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laugh1ngMan 393 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I think the liverpool game will be his last game.It will be an absolute nightmare of a game for us. If there is one thing we do not cope well with, it is pressing and that's exactly what klopp likes to do and losing against a direct top 4 rival at home will be too much after all that has happened.I wouldn't mind keeping Jose till the end of the season if he could ensure top 4 at least but that seems so far away and there are zero signs of improvement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino's Skin 972 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I think the liverpool game will be his last game.It will be an absolute nightmare of a game for us. If there is one thing we do not cope well with, it is pressing and that's exactly what klopp likes to do and losing against a direct top 4 rival at home will be too much after all that has happened.I wouldn't mind keeping Jose till the end of the season if he could ensure top 4 at least but that seems so far away and there are zero signs of improvementzero signs of improvement??in Mourinho, that may well be the case, but since the Porto game there have been signs that are better than zero improvement with the team Essien19 and stroey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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